The Astral Pulse

Hmmm...  I haven't read the Treatise, maybe I should.

Robert Bruce recommends at least 3 months on the secondary system before you start with the chakras.  According to the book, chakras cant just be closed down, any awareness centred on them is a form of stimulation.

I am not sure at all what the secondary system is.  I ordered his book Astral Dynamics and it has not arrived yet.  I ordered it last Friday and it has already shipped but it will probably be tuesday or wednesday before I actually receive it.  

Oh, and please read the treatise.  It is wonderful.  I first discovered volume 2 when searching for free downloads last year.  At that time, I had been reading other authors and instantly I loved them upon reading.  You should definately read them.. I was so involved in volume2 that I never noticed that it was a volume 2.  Just recently I thought about doing a search for volume 1 and that is how I found this site.  You people here are so nice and so open.  I feel very at home here.  I hope everyone forgives me once in a while for being too outspoken.  It is a tendency I have.  What I have noticed is that most everyone is extremely calm...which I like.

Thank you Tia for the answer and I guess I must just wait for the book.  darn......I wish it would hurry...

Sincerely,
Blossom/Jennifer

Just wanting to learn....

I first came across version one of the Treatise about 4 years ago [I'm prettu sure the NEW tutorial wasn't online then] and re-read it on my hard drive a few times over the years before finding out there was a version two (and a forum as well).
I'm pretty sure version one recommended closing chakras after stimulation, otherwise you might leak energy and attract negs [or something like that], and I see that that's been changed in version two; still, some of my experiences while doing those closing exercises indicates to me that it may work as originally intended.
But anyway, as I said, I don't think the NEW tutorial was online when I first started raising energy, so I never knew about the secondary systems until recently; once I started working on some of them, I started waking up with vibrations even without actively raising energy.  So I definitely recommend starting there.
Blossom:  The secondary system is the network of small energy centers such as those in the hands and feet, and the pathways that connect them and the chakras.  You'll read all about it when your copy of A.D. arrives.

That explains the secondary system then.  And ya know, that is the most complete answer I have ever heard about it/them.  I have heard via the internet that we have hundreds of them but then it never discusses them.

All this has done is increase my anticipation of waiting for my book....hohum....

Thanks, Jenn

Just wanting to learn....

If I remember correctly the secondary system is more related to the accupuncture meridians and is more suited for our use in raising energy-excess energy in this system is better handled that trying to stimulate chakras directly. I think I remember robert saying that closing the chakras is not neccesary. I think the purpose of doing energy raising is that it puts us in touch with  non-physical part of our beings-AP being just one aspect of that energy. Others may be tingly energy sensations, healing, intuition, sychronicities, enlightenment, kundalini raising.

I could have sworn Robert recommended closing chakras at the end of a session. Just imagine them closing one by one, from the top down, That's my recollection.

But since I usually end up asleep at the end of a session - I usually don't get around to closing them.

Patty

Patty:  See http://www.tower.net.au/~rsb/guides/oobe/oobe_8.htm#12 for RB's updated advice on that topic.
However, as I said above, my own [limited] experience leads me to believe he was right the first time in recommending they be closed.  One time, when I first started raising energy to the chakras, I forgot which order we were supposed to close them, so I figured "first in first out" would work and started my way up - well when I "closed" my throat one, my brow one started freaking out on me, spasms & such.  Maybe there was some other cause, but I figure having "closed" my lower ones caused energy to get blocked up top, so now I still close but of course I go top-to-bottom now.  Can't hurt, anyway.

Thanks Jacara, I must have missed that when I was reading through the posts last night.

My recollections make sense, then. Pheww!

Your experience with your brow freaking out is most interesting! Thanks for sharing that!

Patty

About closing chakras.

There is another opinion about closing them (not mine, but from a very skillful psychic). Every time you focus you attention on closing the chakras, you are actually opening them more, because any action on them does just that. They will close by themselves if you stop paying attention to them, after a while.

Regards,
DG.

YOur brow was freaking out... wowo....

I will see what happens when I try mine.  My husband leaves for work at 4pm today and I will practice.  I SHOULD have my book by then.  I have called the 800# for airborne checking on the delivery status and it is out for delivery..  They are very slow..  I want my book NOW.

Maybe I should work on my patience... heheh

Thanks guys and gals for all the information.   I hope soon to be able to contribute something constructive also for the help of others instead of just asking questions.  

I just love this place.. I have never seen anthing quite like it before...  By the way..Blossom is really named Jennifer.  I am pleased to meet you all..  You will probably see alot of me here in the future unless they kick me out for being obnoxious or something... hehe

Sincerely,
Jennifer C.

Just wanting to learn....

Hi Jennifer, pleased to become aquainted with you.

I read your Bio, lovely photo by the way - you're quite photogenic. OK, flattery aside, thats an interesting bio you have. A case of serendipidy that you would dearly love to repeat? Its funny how we get "wake up" calls from the spiritual world from time to time just to let us know there's a lot more out there than what we think. Especially when we are told that such things definitely do not exist.

Don't stop analysing things, or questioning what you read - its the only real way of filtering the information you recieve to get down to what really works for you, what feels right for you, and to weed out the myriads of airy-fairy spiritualistic garbage that's out there. As for the "how to do it" side, I believe there is no one right way. It generally comes down to what works best for you.

Patty and DG,
Intersting about the chakras! I've read both keep them open, and close them. I usually meditate and bring my chakras "on-line" early in the morning. For me, I've found it much better to keep them open. I was originally worried about having them "corrupted" by negative energy around me. I actually found the opposite - the more they are open, the more they protect. Again, maybey that's just me, but it seems to work.


James S

- You don't choose the belief, the belief chooses you!

Hello again,

And nice to meet you all too...

Chakras:  Ah, this is hard for me to admit, but there is something to it..  I lay down today and practiced raising my energy level.  I can feel it... I know I can... And it might be my imagination but the more I discuss it and the more I read about it and the more I practice it and the more I think about it.... the stronger the vibrations and the easier the production the energy is getting...  It feels so strong.  I feel like I am just going to POP out somewhere.  I don't know if it will be in somewhere like my blue experience or someplace like my house...  But I am getting closer with each session.  I can tell.  The vibrations are stronger each time and I seems I go a little deeper each time.  It is much more intense now than it was when this accidently happened my one time...  I just don't get that.  I was just meditating for a short time [linear time] when that occured I felt absolutely no vibrations of any sort.  Nothing spectacular until I snapped somewhere else.  But what I am trying to say...is that the leading up to the obe portion of my only experience was not anything like what I am experiencing now.  It just happened..

I meditate everyday for some period of time...  I can't seem to help myself.  I want to be successfull at this and be able to do it at will.  {AT WILL}.  I read today that during regular meditation that you go "too low or too deep" for an OBE to occur and that the meditation necessary for OBE's is not the same as in regular meditation.  Do yall know about this?  I got this info from the Robert Peterson book that is listed in our links on this site.  I have not read that before.  Anyone know about that?

And speaking of books, my book did NOT come today.  I rechecked the Airborne schedule and they rescheduled my delivery for tomorrow.  Probably because I am 40 miles from their office...  I do love living in a tiny mountain community but at times like this...when ordering something...I miss the city..  But not enough to ever go back..    

Well, it is late here where I live ..  I am fixing to go to bed.. Hubby just got home.. so nite all..  I have more to say but will do it tomorrow..

And thank you for the compliment James... That was about 4 or so months back and is the only digital picture I have of myself.. I had just finished brushing my teeth...  Husbands always have great timing in the mornings...    

Sincerely,
Jennifer



Just wanting to learn....

You're welcome.
The early morning husband with camera - depending on the results you'll either want to thank him or slap him! In you're case though Jennifer it should definitely be the former.

As to those "accidental" energy discoveries, at risk of boring the other members with a story I've related once before -

My somewhat skeptically reserved yet open minded wife Sarah recently started attending yoga classes once a week through her corporate gym membership. Fairly basic stuff, but the teacher is very good and Sarah gets a lot out of it. The teacher began introducing exercises relating to the chakras, the first session aimed at the root chakra. When Sarah first started to work with this chakra it opened up with such force it sent a massive burst of energy right up her spine and out the top of her head. She started to get slightly dizzy and felt like she was floating upwards. She got a little scared and shut down her root chakra, but continued to feel somewhat floaty for most of that evening.

Sarah pretty much has no interest in AP, but she starts to bolt out of her body the fist time she focuses awareness one of her chakras! Go figure...
I was sooo jealous! This kind of energy raising takes a lot of effort for me.
At least she has a better understanding of what I'm on about now.

So I guess like you Jennifer, Sarah has found out that the chakras are there, are a real part of us, and can be "played with". Now the real fun begins....

PART OF THIS IS NOT CORRECT AND I CORRECTED IT IN MY NEXT MESSAGE, WHICH IS TWO DOWN..... I WAS RELAYING MEMORIES OF SOMEONE ELSE.. IF YOU READ THIS ENTIRE THREAD YOU WILL SEE WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.. typing this was easier than correcting my errors... I instead typed a new entry...
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That's a great story and reminds me somewhat of my sister.

Yesterday, as a matter of fact, she relayed a story to me.

To start with, the last year, I have probably bored her talking about my only OBE.  I couldn't help it.  So, she decides "recently to explore her inner self"...{very recently}.

Anyway, she emails me yesterday scared to death and freaking out.  She said she woke at 12 noon and drifted back off to sleep for a couple of moments.  She was not trying for an OBE.  She said the next thing she recalls is an orange sky  and she was outside looking at it and she was scared to death.  She said she felt her body being pulled back into her house, through the wall, feet first and  back into her body and she had no control over this gravitational pull through the wall.  She emphatically stated her "exploration attempts" were over...She didn't like it..  

I couldn't believe it...  I told her..."An orange sky????  How beautiful that must have been."

She said when she came back to her body, it was 12:05 and only 5 minutes had passed.

I want to see an orange sky, a purple sky, a green sky or whatever.... Why oh why can't I??

Darn.... isn't she lucky??
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Now, some odd things that you might have a little feedback on for me or someone else might have.  I dont mean to just blurt these things out, but they have been on my mind recently...

My sister and I have discussed the last few years alot of things on alot of  topics about our childhood that we didn't relay at the time to each other.  These next three things all happened when I was 10-11 and she was 13-14...

She remembers at 13 sitting in chairs wide awake watching the television and would instantly be lifted out of her body and being placed on a grid of metal where she was unable to see the room anymore and not being able, without a supreme effort on her part, to get back in the chair and even into the house... My point is she was awake and would simply disappear from the house, according to her,  and be on a metal grid in the air somewhere looking below.  She said the grid was spaced about 1' across on each section.  She said it occured so frequent that she was afraid to be alone in the house.  It was very scary to her.  I was three years younger and I remember her anxiety but not knowing at the time what caused it.   I don't have this story exactly right as she is not here as I type this, but basically this is what happened.  She was 13 and 14 when this occured the most but it was always the same,... meaning she was always standing a grid.  Nothing more and she couldn't see the room she was in when it occured and she was also always awake when it happend and usually sitting in a chair watching TV.   We lived out in the country on 24 acres at the time of all these occurances by the way.. She did not tell our mother about this because of how she reacted to me telling her about my stuff that happened...which is below.  Next time I talk to her, I will ask her about it and get the details about what actually happened.

As far as myself, I remember having dreams or daydreams during this same time frame as my sister's grid experience.  I had  a series of dreams/daydreams that were very very specific with a certain group of people that got older rapidly in this series of dreams.  I don't know if they were psychic or not but I, on the other hand, enjoyed them as much as my sister disliked her grid experiences.. And I am not 100% sure they were dreams now but at the time I thought they were daydreams {a childs point of view}.  I was awake always and totally conscious.  My mother was very upset by them and wanted me to quit having them.  But I used to want to sleep all the time, as she called it.  I would go in my room and lay on the bed in the daytime and put a pillow over my eyes to block out light and want to stay there for 5-6 hrs.  I was 10-11 years old.  In a matter of seconds I was transported to another planet where this family lived.  It was nothing like earth and the dreams centered around a boy and girl who were twins..  In a period of about 6 -8 months, these twins went from infancy to early adulthood in my "dreams"...  Isn't that odd?  At the time, it did not seem strange to me at all.  All the people had names and I knew all their relationships with each other and even their political systems on the planet and who was in charge and what they did...blah blah blah.... Pretty good for a 10 year old to comprehend.  But I could lay down and close my eyes and there they would be.  I was not asleep but awake and I remember them in perfect detail today, but I can't see them now.  I have tried but can't do it.  My mother called it daydreaming, but it seemed so real, like they were real people doing real things.  They were also psychic people who could fly and move objects and do wonderous things with their mental abilities... I want to add I came from a family who did not discuss physic things as it was the bad stuff according to my father.  So, I really had no knowledge of psychic things.  We were in a traditional church who did not believe such things could possibly exist..

Another odd incident at the time that "I don't remember...", but that my mother told me about.  My sister remembers this however and I am surprised that I don't. Our entire family was out in our pasture one evening at dusk or so and they all say that suddenly all of us were bathed in a blue light from the sky that was circular and about 25 feet across.  Our mother and father told us to run for the house which she said we did and the light followed us all the way to the house. From what she has told me, we ran across about 5 acres getting to the door of our house.  Like I said, I don't remember this but my sister and mother both do.  My father has since passed so I can't ask him about it.  I don't know if my sequences of dream/daydreams were before or after this, or if the incident of my sister's grid experiences were before or after this.  But my parents called the local sheriff to report the incident and at the time, we had a party line which we shared with our neighbors.  We, according to my mother, had lots of trouble getting through on the phone as all the lines were tied up that night reporting incidents of UFO's in the area.  This is what the sheriff's office told her when they finally managed to get a phone line.

But this was during the times of the Roswell incidents, if you are familiar with those.  My mother also said that the next day on the local news there had been several reports of UFO's that the news media put off to weather balloons.  The weather service later said there were no weather balloons in the area at the "alledged" time of the incidents..

Odd, huh....  Do you think these three things are related???  I have always wondered about it since finding out about the blue light and my sister grid thingy.  I was told about those about 3-4 years ago.   I am 44 now.

Sincerely,
Jennifer..  {no, I am not a nut and have never had a mental condition... this really happened but I don't tell this to many people for fear of sounding like one, but noone knows me here maybe someone has a little insight they can give me on this since you guys seem versed on varied topics.  My sister and mother and I only recently in the last few years discussed this.  They were amazed that I don't remember the lights that night, but I really don't.}

p.s.  oh my gosh,  MY BOOK IS HERE... IT IS GREAT...  See ya later folks... I got reading to do.

Just wanting to learn...

Wow, Jennifer. That is one riveting story! It kind of reminds me of that movie Kpax with Kevin Spacey, hehe. I wouldn't have a clue what to make of all that, but I'm sure someone will - I've read snippits here and there about AP to other planets etc.

What I find so great about investigating this OBE stuff is the way it puts into context so many funny little things that you experinced in your childhood and adolescence. I've only just started getting into my reading, but I've been having spontaneous OBE's for about ten years - as you can imagine, I have an awful lot to put into context! It almost feels like rewriting my own history - talk about a journey of discovery!

About the meditation... I have never been able to get patient enough to meditate properly (shocking, I know), but I am just starting to be able to consciously AP. I mean, where I feel my exit, rather than just waking up out of body. So I guess the level of trance IS different to a regular deep meditation. I would imagine - and this is just my own observation not based on anything I've read - that you wouldn't have to be as still as you might imagine. I just do basic relaxation (feel my toes, calves, knees etc relaxing) and then focus in on the ringing sounds (which I see as just an added expression of the "vibrations" in my body) and start kind of pushing against my physical body, kind of like sitting up.  It has worked with mixed results, but it's a start.

Meg

"...listening like the orange tree..."  - John Shaw Neilson

Hi there,

Actually I had my facts wrong.  Below is what actually happened.  And it had nothing to do with the Roswell incidents by the way...

I called my mother today and just finished speaking with her.  This is what my mother said:

She said:  We had all been at the barn doing chores, all four of us...feeding horses, pig, cows and such.  We finished and went toward the house and were outside of our fence in the vacinity of our cement block building. Our house had a round circular cyclone fence around it with about1/2 acre fenced around our house.  We were behind the fence and behind the house...not in the pasture like I said earlier.  I was mistaken/  [I told you I didn't remember this...] Suddenly, we were bathed in a blue/grey/smokey light that covered the entire area around us and beyond extending about 25' in circumference..  My mother and Dad looked upward when the light came and both saw directly over our heads a round flat circular object very close to us.. {about the distance of the height of a telephone pole} and it was absolutely silent.  She said it was moving with us and the thing that struck them the most was the quietness of it.  They could hear absolutley no motor of any kind.  She said she looked at our Dad and he looked greyish blue from the light and she could tell he was very afraid and he mouth was hanging open.  She said they froze for a moment very scared and then started screaming to us girls.."Get to the house...get to the house now", and then we all ran to the house and went inside.  She said our Dad tried to call the police but they couldn't get through for a long time.  When they finally did, the police said it was a weather balloon and tons of people had called in reporting the same thing. She said they personally had thought it was a UFO. That it was unlike any weather balloon she had ever seen on TV.

She didn't think anymore about it at the time even though they all continued looking out of the windows and stayed inside.  She said it disappeared very rapidly when we went inside, which is also unlike any weather baloon.  But many years later, in another house and about 10 years ago, she was watching a show about the Roswell incidents and it said for years after those happenings [which were in the 50's...I was born in 57],  that people reported strange sightings in the area we lived in at that time.  In particular what she remembers from the program was that the police had been instructed to tell everyone who called with any sightings to say that they were weather balloons.  The program went on to report that during the late 60's and early 70's, there were NO weather baloons in New Mexico or Texas.  And since we lived in Tx, this seemed to coorespond with what had happened.

She told me she believes it was a UFO.  She also confirmed that my dreams/daydreams started occuring after that incident.  She still does not know about my sister GRID experiences.  I sent my sister an email and will probably hear from her shortly about that.  

And then I will update on that.  It was a weird thing.  Strange things happened to all of us after that...  Somewhere else on this board, I had relayed an incident about hearing a sound and was paralyzed from it when I was about 10.  That also was shortly after this incident and was during the times of my "dreams".

I don't know and am not convinced that I was in a trance state.  I don't know what happened.  I have considered being hypnotized before to find our what actually happened during these dream states of mine but have changed my mind out of some sort of fear of being hypnotized.  I am not sure why I even brought this up.  It has nothing to do with astral travel...  It was just something weird that happened and I was getting it off my chest I guess.  It has bothered me for years.

Thanks for listening...
Jennifer

p.s.  I will however report back about the grid thingy of my sisters... I am curious now and since I have opened this can of worms...so to speak... I will finish.



Below is the email I just got from my mom..
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Ok Jennifer, this is how I remember the episode in ****, Tex.
It was just after dusk dark.

The four of us were between the barn and the fence around the house. We had just fed the horses, locked the gate and started walking toward the house. We were about half-way to the house.

Suddenly, we were surrounded by a bluish, grey and very bright light.

Everything around us was luminous and we could see each other very clear.  I looked at your Dad and he looked VERY frightened, I felt very afraid in a quick instance.
We must have both looked up at the same time.

I saw a large round light, something like the shape of a M & M only it had flatter edges.
It was moving very slowly, almost like  it was hovering  over us. It was only as high as maybe a telephone pole.  It was about the size of a large room, I think.....
I yelled at you and Sue and told you to get in the house. I must have sounded really afraid because you both ran.

The most frightening thing about it all was that it was totally silent, not a single sound of any kind.  It seems to hover for a long time,  but it was probably only a few seconds.  Then suddenly it just disappeared, and it was dark again.

Something else that seems really strange, was that the thing seems to be full of the light, the light was inside, not coming from the outside, like an airplane. It looked smooth and solid.
When we got inside the house, I tried to call the police, but couldn't get  on the line for a while.  The police told me they had many calls about the same thing. Many people saw the same thing.  They said it was a balloon from New Mexico.

Years later, I saw a program on television. saying at that time, there were NO weather balloons in New Mexico.
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Just wanting to learn....

Hello again Jennifer,

What wonderful stories! It must be great to look back on these things with a renewed sense of wonder, and a desire to explore what you could be capable of.

I don't normally comment on stories like these because I have no practical experience to back me up, but you've really got my curiosity this time.

The following thoughts might seem relevant and give you some useful perspective, or it might just all be old news. See what you think.

Firstly, I'm very happy that you are not questioning your own sanity on the events you've described. It has become too easy for modern psychology to ascribe "medical" conditions to various mind states or experiences that can't be rationally or scientifically or logically explained (logic being a fairly recent innovation of humans that seems to want to do away with intuition and instinct).

When you're a child you view the world with open minded curiosity and acceptance. Things just are. You don't always need to know why they are, and you certainly have no interest in trying to find a reason why they are not. Then comes school, and social conditioning, and suddenly all the reasons why not are thrust upon you along with all the opinions of mankind's prolific academia. If you're one of the many children that are raised with a good Christian upbringing, you're also told why certain matters beyond our understanding are the work of God, and others that don't fall within this narrowly defined category are the works of the devil.

You move from being a child to being a teenager. The "why not" learning is becoming well entrenched, but now you are experiencing puberty. Hormone levels are on the rise leading way to a whole range of chemical changes in the body, and the brain. The energy body is also responding to these changes with the frequent result being massive fluctuation in the energy centres (the chakras, although you know nothing about these things yet except they might have something to do with eastern mystics), and somewhat spontaneous and uncontrolled psychic abilities. It also seems to be the case that females tend to have far more potency in these areas than males.

Ever wondered why a lot of people remember having OBEs or episodes of clairvoyance during their teens? But then again they mightn't talk about it because they fear being viewed as mentally unstable. At best they have a "vivid imagination"
You might see posts on this forum by Frank, who has often stated that where the imagination ends and the astral begins is often indistinguishable.

Time passes, and you go from teens to adulthood. You're head is now getting well and truly stuffed with the worlds currently accepted truths and opinions. Now you have responsibilities, you have to face the "facts of life". Your mind is now constantly swimming in thoughts of day to day problems and issues with little time for considerations of anything else.

The child's open minded curiosity and acceptance is gone, the teenager's psychic discoveries and imagination are suppressed.

If you're one of the lucky few, such as the ones on this forum, a little spark will ignite in your mind and heart. A spirit from a time gone by will try to contact you by way of dream or vision. A suppressed ability will remerge, or your subconscious will just crack it with your current lifestyle and force you to look at a different way thinking.

Jennifer, what you are doing now is rediscovering something you knew as a child. As a child, lying on you're bed, you didn't have to think about raising energy levels, stimulating chakras, totally relaxing you're body and calming your mind. It just happened naturally. The frustrating thing is with all the junk we as adults have stuck in our heads we now have to work at getting our bodies and minds back to a state where they will accept what used to come naturally.

When you travelled to this other world as a child (yes I would consider it astral projection) did their race appear to be more advanced technologically?
I wonder you're "close encounter" was a catalyst for allowing further contact with this race in a more subtle manner. Despite the fact that you don't remember it, the seed was still planted. If they appeared to be psychically well endowed, they might be expecting a projected form of contact rather than physical.
What a lovely thought it would be to be able to return to this world and see what has become of this people that you knew, maybe to be able to interact with them more.

I was also thinking back to something you said earlier about meditating too deeply to make a projection possible. Meg seemed to agree with this point too. I wonder if it's a case of  deep meditation being a state of introspection, whereas for AP would you want more of a state of outrospection?

Yours,

James.

Hello James,

That was a ton of info you sent..  I will start answering at the bottom of your email.

I will try to describe these people and how they lived.. I have not told these things in many years...  Wow...

First of all, as a child, I only discussed this in full with my sister..  At the time she did not tell me of her experiences as she was afraid I would tell our parents. I will start by telling about the makeup of the planet and how it was arranged.  Politically and physically.

The people as I remember had no written text, at least none that I saw, and were not an advanced civilization at all, meaning they had no cars or skyscrapers or computers or anything.  They were raw and uncivilized by our standards here on earth.  But they were much more advanced mentally than we are. There is and was no comparison.  I referred to this people and their planet as the land of the ribbon.  In reality, the planet had a name, but I can't say it.  It was not really a word but a feeling.  I know that makes no sense but as a child, I imagined it began with a Z...  Not absolutely true, but that is how, as a child, I thought of it.  Being young, I called it like I saw it and in my mind, the planet, which seemed small to me,  had what I called a ribbon around it..  It was not really a ribbon, but a band of land where the mass of the population lived.  And it was the only portion of the planet that was known to be populated or lived in.  At least by the masses who lived along the band.

Meaning:  The entire planet was completely and absolutely and extremely wooded except for one area that encircled the planet about a city block wide ... So, picture this now,.... going around the planet, was a band about a city block wide that 'nearly' made a complete circle around the planet...but not quite all the way around it.  To get this in perspective for ya, picture a solid braclet on a wrist that does not completely encircle the wrist.  It has a space.   This was like the band where the general pop lived.  This in my childs mind, I referred to as a ribbon...{i'm a girl]... Hence, land of the ribbon...

This so-called ribbon/band was also divided into sections via gates.. Large ornate gates.  Very elaborate in design and was probably the fanciest thing there.

The people were also divided on this band according to their mental powers.  And catagorized along this band accordingly and kept track of and where they belonged by the color of their clothes.  

The first section on this band contained people that were not very tepathically advanced.  They had trouble doing anything that used mind control. These people at the beginning also were very pale and were nearly albino looking.  White hair, very pale skin, nearly colorless eyes and no power.  And white clothes..  White pants and white shirts..  Baggy stuff.  Shapeless.

Before they could move forward on this band and go beyond the first gate, they had to develop some sort of mental powers...enough to progress to the next level..  And in the next level, which was beyond the first gate, the people were not quite as pale..  In other words, as the people developed their skills telepathically, they also developed a little more tone in their skin and eyes and the color of their clothes changed.  I don't mean they got new clothes.  I mean the clothes and their color altered accordingly.  Now once you went to other levels mentally, you could always walk or visit backwards from where you came, but you could NOT move forward without the necessary skill level.  

What was bad though was that if you crossed a gate that you hadn't earned the rights to cross ... you would be killed.   There was no sneaking and no second chances.  Death was always by burning and fire was set by the eyes of the people who guarded the gates.  I will explain those people in a moment.

Now, these levels continued this way completly to the end of this band...  The people who lived in the band had absolutely no knowledge of what went on in the woods.  They were clueless.  They only knew their present situation and the need to progress beyond a gate.

At the end, the people wore brown clothes and had brown skin.  The band ended here and the woods began.  The people here at the end had full reign and rights to wander the length of the band/ribbon.  They could go anywhere but the woods.  The woods were off limits to these people.  It was just how it was...  There was noone to ask, but that was how it was. The guards enforced this.    

Now, back to the gates.  They had guards who had the unique power of starting fires with their eyes if someone attempted to cross without prior approval.  Approval by whom, you say... It was sent telepatically...  These people were monitored.  It had been this way for so long that noone dared, even silently and to themselves, to question this for fear of death.  

Now you have to get this to understand the rest...One more time... this band was divided by color of clothes/skin and telepathic skills.  Skin and clothes were always the same color, so there was never any confusion about where anyone belonged.  Noone went in the woods and noone questioned where the woods went or what went on there or where the guards came from.

In the woods lived a fierce people who wore black clothes but they had brown skin, not black skin, in spite of having black clothes.  They could do anything with their minds.Anything.... They could physically fly or mentally fly.  They controlled the guards and they lived on the entire rest of the planet.  They were mean and ruthless and they fought among each other constantly and they are the ones who controlled the guards at the gates and decided when someone could move forward.  For what purpose this served, I don't know.  I know they occassionally went and got people from the band, but it was not seen by anyone that I am aware of and I don't know what they did with them when they got them.

These things above were not what my dreams were about.  But the things above I picked up in the course of things.  My dreams started out in the woods before I knew of the band of people.  And my dreams were of the dome also, which I will tell you about now.  Most of my dreams were spent in the dome and in the woods.  

In the middle of the band, there was a hugh bubble like place that was about, and I am guessing, about 2 blocks long and about a block tall.  It was a solid dome that was not able to be seen through and it covered a small section of the band.  It was like an eysore really with vines growing up it on the outside and it looked like a hill from the outside also.  But it  covered a portion of the band, and interrupted it's path along the planet.  There were people inside it that lived there and never came out and never progressed.  They were what I called the forgotten prople.  They were canabilistic and very very primitive.  And this is what my dreams were about..  This dome..  A girl lived there.  She was part of a twin set that had accidently gotten there as a baby of about 2 years old and was not rescued until she was about 17 or 18 years old.  And during these ages of her life span was the context of my dreams.  She was rescued by her brother who was the other half of the twin and  who both were the son/daugher of the ruler of the dark place or otherwise known as the woods...  I moved back and forth from her brother to her throughout my dreams/daydreams/astral experiences...whatever they were...

And that's that...  It sounds like a ripleys believe it not, but it is very real to me...  I can't say for sure if this place exists or existed but I could go there and see this life occur and everything that transpired in a rapid fashion from the time these twins were 2 until they were 17 or 18...  I was 10ish or so..

I was not afraid and looked forward to this...  I wanted to see it all the time..  It was a rapidly changing scenery and when it ended, it was abrupt and I never could make it happen again...  It just stopped upon the rescue which was a bloodbath.

Oh, more more thing.. The people in the dome came to be because the planet was not always like this..  at one time, it was different.  I don't know in what capacity it was different, but I just know it was not how I described.  The people in the dome were placed there intentionally as a punishment a long time ago.  They bred and thrived and were inbreeds and like I said, amoral, cannabilistic... Not particularlly telepatic.  And they also knew about the woods.  Because of the lack of sunlight there, they were as pale as the first level of the band.  Except for the girl.  She had black hair and brown skin like her people in the woods.  And the dome people were afraid of her..  She had out of control powers because she had no training.  

One last thing about the dome.   The reason the girl wasn't rescued sooner by her family was because they had forgotten about the existance of the dome. Or possibly not forgotten, but discounted maybe.  They did not, even in their wildest imagination think she would be there, so they did not go there.  It was basically an off limits place, even to them.  The people inside fended for themselves and bred anything or anybody inside there.  Most of the rulers in the woods did not venture, even themselves, to the band, much less to the dome.  Others went for them if they had to go to the band, but noone went inside the dome.  And the dome was protected.  No thoughts could penetrate it.  Nothing went in and nothing came out.  Not the people, not even any natural light...ie sunlight, but at the same time, there was a semblance of day and night there, but no direct sun of any kind.  That is why they did not find her telepathically.  Everyone had really given up except for her brother.  And he had to be old enough to look.  He as he grew always felt she was alive and always referred to her in conversation.  But noone believed him.  When he evenually found her, they were like I said 17 or 18 years old and he was the ruler then.  Their father had died and he was next in line.  The last memory I have of all of this is of the two twins in a hugh room in a house/building [where they lived] and they were fighting.  She hurt him in some way...  I am not sure how, but she did hurt him..  And that was where it actually ended for me and was with that fight.  She was out of the dome, rescued and they were back in the woods at the big house where he lived and he was hurt.  She was very wild due to how she had lived and her people there understood why she was the way she was.. but it was still a scary kind of wild even for the people who lived in the woods.  I had not seen them leary of anything until this and they were very leary of her. Her brother did not want to hurt her and so she hurt him instead.  And I was never able to see them again.  That was the last time I would ever be able to do this.  It ended with that.  I have always wondered what happened.  I remember the next time I went to do this, nothing happened and I felt so sad.  I quit trying after a while and a few times as an adult, I remember and thought about it but never really made a conscious effort to go back.  I wonder if I could.  I would nearly be afraid to try.  As a child, I was fearless, but not so as an adult woman.

And I guess that it...  There are many many more details but that is enough. My hand is tired of typing..    I keep coming back and adding things.  As I type this, I keep remembering more and more details that might be pertinent to an understanding by anyone who reads this...

Heck, it really doesn't matter.  Noone probably believes this anyway..  I can't believe I still do.  

Take care,
Jenn

p.s. Some of this might be out of context or hard to interpret but this is all I can write right now..  This has stirred old memories and given me much to think about...  I am walking down memory lane right now...  dejavu..

p.s.s.  You know, I would love to see this place as an adult and get impressions from an adult perspective.... I wonder if I would feel the same or see it the same way as from a child's eyes..  You need to keep in mind as you read this that the way this is relayed is from a childs perspective.  It is the only way I know it because I have not seen it any other way.  That's why maybe some of this might not be exact ... you know what I mean??..

I want to say one more thing...I realize what someone might think reading this..  I was a perfectly happy child who a great life and who had everything.  I or my sister were not abused in any way.  We were monitored closely as far as not being around bad people.  We went to church, we had horses and we were in 4-H.  My mother was in the PTA and my father worked for the railroad.  My mother was a housewife/piano teacher who devoted all her time to us girls .  I had a perfectly normal childhood and was very lucky in that aspect.  I feel I did NOT imagine this place.  It was real.. but is sounds very unreal...even to me, but I know better.  Alot of these things that happened here, I had never heard of...except in this experience..  The scariest movie at the time I had ever seen was "the birds"...  , which gave me nightmares I might add...  I had a normal regular life.  This 16 year span in these twins life took about 8 months of mine to see.  I just took it all in stride and believed it.  As far as the other advances this civilization might have had..I just don't know.  The people in the woods had very large ornate stuff, like the gates, but I was a child.  It was just a house to me..  I thought it was cooler that they could fly..    

Ironically enough, I grew up and had twins [identical girls] that are very very telepathic...

Great story, Blossum, have you thought of making it into a novel? I think it shows that there is more to our existence than the physical reality we stare at every day. Have you read any of Whitley Streiber's books? He thinks beyond the abduction stuff there is some kind of evolution going on. The closest stories I have read is a series of books by Hank Weselman(Spiritwalker, Visionseeker, Medicinemaker) wher he changes places with his desendent in the future and experiences life through his eyes and writes about his journeys into the future.

No,  I would never do that or consider doing it in any fashion, form, shape or kind..  For a novel  to work, you have to embellish especially if it is fiction.  

And since I consider this "STORY" nonfiction and therefore non-embellisable...I could not do it.  Because it IS very unbelievable.  I was not abducted and it was not futuristic... It appeared to happen as it occured simultaneously with me..  It is just another thing that doesn't make sense in the world..  You don't write about them all.

And I am not a fool who does foolish things....

Jennifer



Just wanting to learn....

Ok, now I've got shivers up my spine!

This is SO amazing!!
The details of this world are NOT the imaginations of a 10year old. Childrens imaginations are a wonderful creative power, but 10y.o. girls don't dream up telapathic caste societies, gate guards with lethal pyrokinesis and enourmous domes housing cannabalistic amoral outcasts!

I can't for the life of me tell you why, apart from the fact that your detail is so good and you believe it to be real, but I can't escape the feeling that somehow I know this place is quite definitely real. I've a feeling I'm going to have to do some soul searching on this one. Theres just something about this place...

It's hard to say if the society is post technological, or was always agrarian, or an orphaned colony. So many questions...so fascinating...

Do not discount the accuracy of the details just because they are seen through the eyes of a 10 year old. In fact just the opposite. A child has a mind uncluttered by preconceptions. they see things as the really are. Adults believe they have better powers of observation, but usually what they see is subject to interpretation based on beliefs, opinions, etc.

IT must have taken a lot for you to speak of these experiences. Thank you so much!
I know when I first came to this forum a few months ago I related an experience I had when I was 14 that has been burned into my mind, but I never felt I could talk to anyone about it.

Your details were perfectly coherent, and I wouldn't bother with the spell-checker on this site. Last I looked it didn't work. I've just become used to typing up my letters in Word, the pasting them in this box.

I'd love to hear more from you on this when both you and your hands have rested.

Till then - take care Jenn,

James.

James, you have no idea how much it means that someone believes me... It was so difficult to relay all this worrying about that.  Then I got on a row and 'nearly' told all.  

It was a weird thing...was it not?   They lived in a world of extreme violence..  And ya know, some of the things I saw there I really don't know if I should write them down...even here.  They were horrific and horrible.  Even to me.  I will think about it  or consider it but something is telling me I shouldn't say anything else about it.  Maybe  I am leary of peoples reaction...  

Probably that is it...  

Just imagine in your adult mind what the possibilites could be.. coupled with how these people were and their potentials in many areas that I only vagualy covered on.  I have decided that I am going to leave it at that.  I really think it is best.

I will still relay my sister's grid experience as soon as I hear from here.  She has a virus prob right now and is scanning.

Thank you and sincerely,
Jennifer

Actually Jennifer, I have a pretty good Idea of how you feel. How you worried about peoples reactions, and how you've probably been carrying this around for many years, all the time knowing it happened, yet feeling the pressure of thoughts that would try to tell you no it was just a dream or just coincidence.

I felt the same way when describing an event when I was 14 where I was able to "control" lightning. If you want I could PM the details to you. I've gone into it a couple of times here on the forum and wonder if the others aren't going to groan and say "not that story again"!

I have a suspicion this race were an orphaned society or colony. It explains a few things. Like I said before, I just have a feeling....
I really need to meditate and get in proper contact with my guide, or just do something to find out what it is I am feeling about this world and why, but at the moment I'm suffering a head cold. Deep energising breaths through a blocked nose while you're fighting to stay awake is not conducive to good meditation.

Anyway, hope to hear from you soon.

James.

"Deep energising breaths through a blocked nose while you're fighting to stay awake"..

That is a nice statement...  very graphic and I do understand.. I laughed when I read that..  I have also had that problem before and it resulted with me getting hooked on nose spray..  But, I kicked the habit....hehe

And your ideas are interesting.  An orphoned society or colony... I will think about that.  I am not sure however..  But I will think on it.

And yes, I would really like you to pm me the details of controlling lightening.  You were 14..  I bet that did make you feel strange..  I will wait for that.

But, one more thing I feel I feel I need to comment on.  I have gone years and years without thinking about the things I have written here about this incident in my life.  It was really not a big deal except to my mother at the time.  I told my sister but that was because she was my sister and there wre only two of us..  We still communicate daily.  But I have never even told my husband this.  Not because of me worrying about what he would think, but because it was just not something that I thought about a lot.  In fact, writing it down here is the first time I have really thought about it in several years..  It is hard for me to say I was astral traveling however.  I just don't know what it was... It seemed real at the time, but reading it here... it sounds very unbelievable...even to me and I was the one who wrote it...  

And actually what it "was" is different than what it " is" now. Now, it is just a memory... When it happened, it was real.  But as far as what type of memory, I just don't know... To analyze it, I would have to remember how it felt to be 10 years old.  That is actually quite hard to do.

And that's all.. I will look forward to your lightening story James.  You can put it here if you want.. or pm me...  It doesn't matter.

Take care,
Jenn





Just wanting to learn....

I'll PM you.

There's my story, and more I'd like to know of yours, but I feel I've hogged this thread enough, and there are no doubt others who want to get a word in.

I'll sign off for now & come back to it later this evening (my time).

Take care,
James.

Blossom,
Fantastic story I loved it. There is something strange and wonderful about this forum it allows us to say things we wouldn't normally talk about and you will find that they are accepted as day to day normal experiences by most of us. If only the rest of the world would open up their minds just a little ....Just imagine....


Happy Travels
Windameir

Thanks...  I have seriously considered deleting my entries everytime I come to this thread...  It makes me feel so odd that I just sit here and shake my head that I actually wrote these things down...  I am a logical person in every aspect of my personality as a rule.  

But on the other hand.... I have decided that the experiences were real.  But not real as in based on reality...as in a planet existed like this.  Even though they seemed/seem that way to me in memory and when they occured.  My logical mind is telling me that they were a product of some sort of lucid dream and a vivid imagination of a 10 year old little girl...  That is probably why this memory seems like a real happening to me.  IF in fact this is so, it will be the only experience I have had with lucid dreaming. I don't think I was astral traveling as I had none of the classic symptoms of going anywhere.  Even though I did during this same time frame have one vibrational experience that scared me to death that was not related to the things in this thread.  

But it was odd watching this two people grow so fast however..    
Oh well...on to bigger and better things I say...  such as conscious OBE's as an adult who knows the difference between reality and fantasy...  I don't want to analyze my past and an incident that I am not sure of and never will be.  The only thing that I am convinced of is the blue light my mother and father and sister saw that I don't remember.  That was factual and basd on a actual incident that was physical in form and that other people in our area SAW also.  Maybe these dreams were some sort of delusion from not remembering that thing in the sky....  I don't know and probably never will..

I appreciate the feedback and I am sorry if I appeared rude to the person named Ralphm...  I didn't mean to be so snappy to you..  I just took what you said wrongly and I appologize..  I have had my hormone shot since that day and am on an even keel now...I really am sorry...

Over and out....

p.s.  Maybe I am just afraid of appearing [even in a forum] of sounding odd... I don't understand it and maybe it was just supposed to be this way..  Maybe it served some purpose in my life or in the lives of the people I watched [if they were in fact real peole who lived somewhere]...

Just wanting to learn....

Feel free to be weird here Blossom, some how i thought normal people were kept out of this forum(just kidding). What was that survey that said more than 50% of americans had a mystical experience? I think experiences like yours are more normal than we think, when people explore the non-physical realms odd things surface. I really think you should check out Hank Wesselman's books, maybe there is a similarity to his experiences and processes.

I love to read.. and I order books alot online.  We don't any book-stores where I live.  I will check out Amazon today for that author.  Do you have any specific titles in mind?  Or all they all good?

Thanks for answering me too.  I guess I was being over sensative in my worrying about this thread...

Thank god this place is here...  And since I have started exploring other areas of this place, I see I am not alone and feel better.

Thanks and sincerely,
Jennifer  


Just wanting to learn....

Blossom,

    You are not alone, half the threads I post I question myself about deleting.  It is wonderful that you feel comfortable enough with us to tell your experience and thank you for not deleting it.

Everyone who has had a UFO incident questions themselves, thinking it was just to strange and unbelievable to be a real event.  But do not question yourself!  You know that this happened to you and your family and it was real.  You saw it for what it was and experienced it for what it is.  I had an incident when I was a teen on a warm summer night, but it was just a strange light in the sky doing strange stop and start maneuvers.  I know what I saw.   And a later incident when my neighbor friend swears she saw a UFO land in the field across from my house.  I don't remember anything about that though.  I am almost afraid to find out.  So believe in yourself and i agree with everyone on this thread, don't be afraid to post weird stuff on this forum.

yours,

Tracy

ps. Maybe they should tack ufo experiences somewhere on the forum if it isn't already.

Hi tracy,

Thanks for the encourgement..  I actually decided yesterday to let my posts remain...  And thanks for the nice thoughts.. It's nice to know I am not alone in thinking maybe a post is just a little too odd....."you know vern?"

Seriously though, an experience like this, when thought about as an adult can make you doubt and question yourself...that's for sure.  Isn't it odd that I question what happened as a child but as an adult, I have been in a blue place somewhere on my first astral journey with no arms and no legs and KNEW it was real and was I was unquestionably awake... How the heck is this odder than that??  Jeez... There are no degrees of what is unique.  Unique is just unique...  Three dimensional is just that..three dimensional..  Anything else is unique and special ...

But I appreciate your thoughts about a specific place for ufo experiences..  I think that's a good idea too..

I love life and I love learning to explore other dimensions right now.  I come her alot and look around. It's a nice place to share.    

See ya, Blossom

Just wanting to learn....

In doing some reading today from the Treatise, I have a question.

Is the only purpose of doing all the exercises..ie breath awareness, energy raising and so forth is to consciously give ourselves the correct brain wave patterns necessary for projection?  Is that the end result we are tying to achieve for AP to occur?

And therefore all of these things are merely ways to help us foster the correct wave patterns for AP?

I may be trying to analyze this too much.  I am doing all the exercises and waiting for my book to arrive in the mail, but in the meantime I have been reading.  And this was my question..

It is odd too.  I have had a hard time believing in chakras but at the same time, I experience all the tingly feeling that it says I am supposed to.  I think my brow is going the most active. So I guess I am becoming a believer..

And one more thing.  If we open them, are we supposed to close them when we are done?  I haven't seen anything about that.

Thanks in advance,
Blossom

p.s.  I am tracking my book and it has went through two check points so far.  I can't wait for it to arrive...  I am so excited..

Just wanting to learn....