Explanation about FOCUS 21 (Monroe Institute)

[SmileySpirit14]

umm, im not 100% sure what your asking, and im not exactly sure if astral projecting and OBEing are in the same plane, but as the name impies, astral projection takes place in the astral plane...i dont know what any of the 'focuses' are...so i probably didnt help you one bit, did i?

[Perseus]

quote:Originally posted by SmileySpirit14

umm, im not 100% sure what your asking, and im not exactly sure if astral projecting and OBEing are in the same plane, but as the name impies, astral projection takes place in the astral plane...i dont know what any of the 'focuses' are...so i probably didnt help you one bit, did i?

Hi smiley, thanks for your efforts I´m just curious trying to figure out why people say that can go into astral projecting using Focus 10 (like Frank posts), but looking into the list of Focus levels given by the institute, that usually starts to happen when you´re using Focus 21!

If you arent sure about those things of Focus, try these two sites: www.monroeinstitute.org and www.afterlife-knowledge.com

[NakedEnergizer]

Hey folks.

I got one of their hemisync cds a while ago. It really put me in *the zone*. Focus 21 sounds advanced.

It's weird though, when I was listening to the focus 12 cd, I didn't feel like I was having an astral projection, but like I was more *open* (in a psychic way) while still in my body. Are the people at Monroe really doing astral travel? Although I did feel like I was *taking off* at times when I was listening to their cds.

They have cds that help control different parts of your self, too. There's one on controlling sex drive that I might get, but I don't feel like my energy has reached the point where I need this (it would be like emergency protocal - basicaly I try to do my own thing first, and if that doesn't work, I may try one of these fancy gizmos).

Kudos,

NE

[Patrik]

It is important to realize that these hemi-sync CDs don't just "magically" make you project. The focus levels are not either precise science, but more Monroe's attempt at putting labels on certain trance states.

So let's say the hemi-sync CD puts you into F10, that means you get help to reach this state. And unless you do something to ruin it (like moving, swallowing etc) you should get there with little effort. However that doesn't mean you can't cause yourself to enter an even deeper level of trance, for example F12.

F10 is the point were the body is fully asleep, and the mind awake. F12 is Monroe's label at the point of trance were the mind "expands". Which means that F10 the body is basically asleep, but you are still centered in physicall, at F12 you are one step further from the physical, and I would assume now more centered in the etheric body than the in physical. However that does NOT mean you have projected, or that you can "easily" project. You still need to do the work.

Let's say you go to F12, this is the point one starts to loose connection to the physical, and F21 is the actual point separation can occure. The reason Frank and other's manage to project at F12, is that they go to F12 using the hemi-sync and then by their own effort deepens the level of trance and makes it all the way to F21 on their own. It is of course possible to go from F12 to F21 on your own, but that doesn't mean it will happen, nor that it is easy.

It is also important to note, that even if you use a hemi-sync sound to guide you to F21, it doesn't mean you can again "magically" project. It only means you are now in such a deep trance that, assuming you've done everything right, should be a lot easier than less deep trance levels. But again, does NOT mean you can just "leave the body" at that state without effort at all...

It also depends on your mental focus... If you are guided into F21, but still have mental restraints, you will not really reach the point were separation is actually possible.

I hope my post hasn't confused things, since I get the feeling I didn't explain it very well, but I hope it can be of some assistance. Personally I wouldn't think too much about which Focus level you might or might not be when practising. That alone can cause you to break it. Most of the time when practising you are soo focused on the practise, that you actually don't notice that you go from F10 to F21.

[Perseus]

Hi Patrik, I would like to thank you so much for your assistance. I understood everything you said. Now its clear that F12 is the point in what separation is more easy (I never thought that things could happen magically - TMI would be rich right now). I also understood that Frank and other actually didnt separate while on F10 or f12. They just use that as tools to go deeper by their own (before I was thinking that they actually were separating while on these states, whithout going further).

Again, thanks very much

PS: The swallowing is a real problem sometimes, I´m still trying to find a topic in that subject to help me.

[Patrik]

Perseus,

The swallowing thing is mostly mental, and something you have to learn to overcome on your own. I don't think anyone can actually "learn" it. But there are a few things you could think of. I had a lot of problems too with that in the beginning, it was actually hemi-sync which learned me to overcome it. I got (in what I at the time thought was) a deep trance of F10, my jaws got "locked" etc and I didn't want to ruin the practise by swallowing... So I had a real mental fight, for example the counting down from 10 to 1 where I knew I could swallow again was a real pain! lol But I eventually learned.

A few things to think of, an hour or so before practise make sure not to have eaten or drinken anything but water. If you can't do that, or still have a taste of something in the mouth, brush your teeth before. The taste will create saliva.

When laying down, make sure to swallow as much as you can, try to make the mouth as dry as possible. When you finally think it "feels" right, decide "now I will no longer swallow", I find that sometimes putting the tounge at the top of the mouth instead at the bottom somewhat helps.

Now the tricky part... DO NOT, DO NOT think of the mouth! Think about anything but the mouth, think of the feet, the practise etc, but NOT think of the mouth! If you think of the mouth you will create saliva, and if you do the need to swallow takes over your entire thought pattern, which again creates even more saliva.

It can be very tricky, but you need to learn to ignore the mouth. Think of it like this, when you go to bed at night, do you obsess over the mouth and saliva? Probably not, and hence you don't create the need to swallow all the time before falling asleep. You need to have the same thinking when going into trance. If it helps, try to pretend you are going to sleep...

Not much more I can say, it's mostly mental and needs to be overcome on your own. I can also say that as long as you give in to the saliva it will continue to be an issue. But once you REFUSE to give in, it will cease on it's own after a while. In my oppinion, refusing to swallow is of major importance, I would never be able to go into a "deeper" trance if I did.

[Perseus]

Hi, I´m new here and also new in the study of OBES in the point of view of the Monroe Institute. This site is really very interesting, it is helping me with some doubts, but I would like to ask for help with a basic question here. About Focus 21.

The description of the Institute is that Focus 21 is the State in wich we are open to new energy systems. Are these "other energy systems" what we know in other literatures as a classic OBE? Or in other words, in Focus 21 I´m out of my body? If thats the case, it happens in wich dimension? Our physical world? For what I´m reading about other focus (22 to 27), these are states of consciousness in wich we contact people that dont have more their physical bodies. In some of then we encounter places to help people trapped in belief systems, or places where people prepare themselves for the next incarnation, etc. What is Focus 21 in the context? "Where" do I found myself in such state?