Can't get out

[Nay]

Hey Nomus! Welcome to the forums...alot of new comers lately!!
There are several links that you could go to but the only one I can remember is www.robertpeterson.org/obebook.html  hehehe..hopefully someone will come by and add some more for you.. I think reading this one will help with alot of your questions though..
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Nay. []

[Frère]

First I want to tell you: You Can get out.
Everybody can so you can too, once you'll believe it you'll be lighter

Now I warn you: I've never been paralised, and never achieved a real deep transe... But I'va been able to gain astral vision of RTZ, and I've been pulled out from a dream.

So it means you must evitate in some way to release your energy body, and to let your conciousness drift to astral sight. AND you're telling us that you expend a lot of energy: and THAT's what stroke me. If you expand energy that means you are doing an EFFORT, if so, the EFFORT will keep you in your body no matter how numb it is.
Exiting is releasing, if you even tryto exit, you'll stay wher you are.

Being pulled out is convinient, without it I would never have made it. But I had been having contacts with the "friend" that pulled me out for many months, and I knew him so felt confident. Without having known him, I wouldn't have been confident, I would have been afraid... and that wouldn't work, it could only tensed you at a point that you even could hurt yourself, like you seem to do naturally.

You have a protector like everyone, just call him, write to him and burn the letter, there are plenty of ways to learn to listen to him, sometimes you might even do it without ever knowing what you do. Sure he can help you, I doubted he would for me, but actually I realised it was convinient for him to to be able to have a more exquisite contact.

[Tisha]

Nomus, welcome to the forums!  I think Frere is explaining to you the almost zen-like state required to OBE.  The fact that you're putting so much force into your efforts tells me, too, that you need to just relax for a little while and focus on your Awareness instead.

Trying to move/force one's body during sleep paralysis is probably the most pointless thing we can do!  I succeeded in creating some etheric matter out of myself once . . . but I didn't want to, it was just a fluke, and I was sore afterwards.  It's better to release all tension in your body - - just flop completely, like a rag doll, when the paralysis hits.  

Try this for awhile . . . maintain that not-fully-awake, not-yet-asleep state without dropping off. Stay relaxed, and practice the feeling of total surrender.  If you get the vibrations, learn to enjoy them.  Get used to them, and be kind to yourself -- most of us do not project with 100% or even 25% success. Someday, it will happen for you - - - and we want you to tell us all about it!

It will help you, also, if you practice zen-like states in your day-to-day activities. Something tells me you might be putting too much force into them, too.  Relax, smile, and surrender!  Smell the roses.  Be aware of the beautiful scenery around you.  This will be VERY good practice for when you actually settle in to attempt OBE again.

Good luck, check in with us again soon!

[Nomus]

I need some help.

Astral Projection is really starting to drain me, and I think I'm doing something wrong. I've been is a deep trance several times and it takes a lot of energy. I estimate that I've been in deep trance at least 7-10 times. I end up acheing because I'll be paralysed for a while and if your unsuccessful it hurts when the paralysis wears off.
Please answer/give advice to any question here and even ones I may have left out.

Am I missing the part where I could leave?

How can I use dreams as a springboard into the astral world?

Can I meet anyone here in the astral to help me?

Can someone pull me out? is it advised/safe?

Thanks for any help.