Can a astral projection be accomplished without sleep paralysis?

[Xanth]

@ All, has anyone worked out a commonality with various methods of attaining the NP?

NP?  Non-physical?

Has anyone worked out a commonality between all the various methods of projection?
Yup, I have... it's the entire basis behind all my 'projection' work. 

At the risk of sounding, duh... lol The commonality is YOU and your attention towards this physical reality.
I've always said that if you can tell me a technique, I can break it down and tell you exactly WHY it works.

[catmeow]

This sounds like a suggestion placed during hypnosis. Told you will have no memory unti...
Is it a memory retention failiure or an absolute split of conciousness?
We read of shadow memory and losses during 'conversion' to physical memory especially after an exit to high frequency NPR's.
Anyone any insight on this?

I see it as a true split in consciousness. When the NP consciousness re-integrates with the physical, then only one set of memories (either physical or NP) survives. If the NP memories survive, then the experience is remembered as an OOBE. If the physical memories triumph, then nothing out of the ordinary is remembered. I think it's a very simple and elegant idea.

It doesn't stop at just a simple physical/NP split. There are examples where people have experienced multiple NP consciousnesses, each operating independently. In fact, the "oversoul" or "higher self" consciousness is an example of mind split. We have, or can have multiple consciousnesses operating simultaneously and independently, each using the same "ident". It's a very simple idea.

[Szaxx]

I've been very aware of myself and out of nowhere comes a visual distortion usually a blue fog. Then I know of some impending event that I can prevent. This all happens while doing my daily tasks, outside of the autopilot mode. I just KNOW and its never wrong. Is this some part of the mind split where a part of my higher self somehow integrates itself and lets me know?
Can't find much on a satisfactory explanation. I just accept it.

[majour ka]

You're quite correct that it really happens everytime you fall asleep, but in such a case it's called Atonia.  More accurately, REM Atonia.
In practice, the only time it's actually called "sleep paralysis" is when REM Atonia is functioning incorrectly and you become consciously aware before the Atonia wears off.

As for the activeness of sleep... the REM portions of our sleep have relatively close to the same kind of brain activity as our waking brain activity shows.  That, in itself, is astounding.  

Cool ta, that makes sense ! 

[majour ka]

@ Majour ka, I'd hazard a guess that NP awareness/ travelling is one thing you have known since your earliest memories.

Erm yeah thats true actaully! I can remember many nights flying around my room when I was around 4 years old, but everyone thought I was making it up LOL.

[Szaxx]

It was an educated guess from your comments.  I was told the exact same. Overactive imagination too. Invisible friends....
It would appear that naturals never get SP. Lol.
Another thing is sleep. The amount of hours is shorter by comparison to most.
Its either an energy thing or we are ok walking around like zombies.

[Bedeekin]

Hiya   while I understand what your saying and at the risk of splitting hairs it can only be considered SP if your aware of it. It could argued that we are in SP when we are asleep, but we can jump up awake and get out of bed if the door bell rings for eg. Yet from what I understand while experiencing SP that is most likely not possible, hence the term "paralysis".

We aren't paralysed. It's an unfortunate term because it denotes the same thing as what happens either when we trap a nerve or sever the communication between brain and neurons. SP is a totally different thing.

It is a switch... just a little switch over that disavows the two way communication between brain and muscle. It isn't even partial paralysis... it is more like different type of communication rather than less communication. It can be switched from on to off at the flick of a mental switch.

SP can be either violent and noticeable or subtle and hardly noticeable... it is something everybody does every night of their life. When you switch from dream to Lucid Dream... you are in REM atonia... if you woke up from this without breaking trance you would find yourself in Sleep Paralysis which is still REM atonia but you are just aware of it.

Over the last few years I have come to realise that SP isn't a requirement to be experienced... I once did though.

It would appear that naturals never get SP. Lol.
Another thing is sleep. The amount of hours is shorter by comparison to most.

It is fairly evident that there are those that do experience it and those that don't. Neither are more natural than the other I am sure. This is a silly notion and would lead to a 'them and us' situation... and sooner or later we would end up with an SP forum and a non SP forum... naturals and un-naturals. Which is stupid and counter productive to what we are all trying to put across.

I started experiencing SP and OOBE naturally... I didn't want it nor did I practice it to achieve OOBE... it just happened and OOBE was a result of getting it. I didn't spend months or years trying to learn something I had heard of it happened and evolved without any outside influence from anybody. So even though I induce (or not) SP to get OOBE that has I might add resulted in probably over 4000+ experiences over the years... makes it non the less natural as those who don't experience SP.

I sleep 3 - 4 hours a night.

[michaelpast]

is it quite easy to succeed if i take a nap before inducing SP?

[Szaxx]

With the lol at the end it was intended as a pun only. I'll agree anything liable to cause negative differentiation should be addressed. Thanks for pointing this out. I detest wars of any kind and they are totally against my character. I'll apologize to any who found this comment offensive.
All those who have been active since birth I know, don't get SP. I thought a witty comment may have produced information to the contrary.

[Bedeekin]

Oh god.. .I didn't... I know you were loling.

I have thought it myself a few times anyway. But I don't know anyone personally (friends or acquaintances) other than yourselves who do it... unless I have taught them it.

I do remember flying about my house and speaking to alien-like beings when I was a little, little kid,  but never attributed them to OOBEs. I didn't get SP till I was 11 after suffering a bad fever.

[majour ka]

It was an educated guess from your comments.  I was told the exact same. Overactive imagination too. Invisible friends....
It would appear that naturals never get SP. Lol.
Another thing is sleep. The amount of hours is shorter by comparison to most.
Its either an energy thing or we are ok walking around like zombies.

OMG Snap!!!!!! 

[Szaxx]

I have a wicked sense of humour and on occasion its too much for some.
No worries, you had a valid point so thats 1-0 to you.

Those I've taught, a few mentioned  SP and knew it was from my teachings. I never mentioned it per se but an adequate explanation of physical quietude led to their assumptions. I was in agreement with them as their preparation time far exceeded mine. Probably rem atonia doing its thing. Some however, notably one in particular had seen himself in bed on more than one occasion. He was 15 at that time. With his experiences already apparent it took a week of evening conversations until success.
Mostly RTZ as expected feedback. He never had SP as I remember.

My family elders never mentioned SP either just the vibrations. Im sure something would have been said. I'll ask next time if I get chance. They're old school 70+ so it could be interesting.

OMG snap... Who's winning? Im pretty quick yer know. 

[Bedeekin]

My family elders never mentioned SP either just the vibrations. Im sure something would have been said. I'll ask next time if I get chance. They're old school 70+ so it could be interesting.

SP is the 'vibrations'. 

Depends where you are coming from and what your interpretation is. Vibrations.. SP... old hag... lead blanket... weight being pressed down... swaying... buzzing... thumping... etc. The list is as endless as the plethora of verbs available.

People are thinking that 'paralysis' is the key word. It's just the medical term for it and not accurate at all. Unfortunate choice of wording really.

If one was to say... "you will feel a buzzing" another might say "I didn't feel a buzzing... more of a tingle" or "It was like a swaying motion"... neither are describing different things. They are just interpreting them in a different way after noticing a specific phenomenology of the 'state'.

[Szaxx]

Interesting.
I don't get vibrations or the numbness, tingling or just about anything tactile. I do get sounds and these can be induced within a couple of mins day or night. A disconnectedness is all that's required. With these occuring I still have the ability to move. Itch removal being typical and still not losing the noises too much.
S.P. it's an appalling label.
The swaying can be produced easily, I increased this feeling a couple of nights ago and lost the physical within seconds. Immediately I started to rise towards the ceiling. No clear sight as expected. I could smell the plaster though going through it. Very strange event. Normally I'd be translocated to wherever.
It may have been on my mind as earlier I was thinking  I've not done a concious RTZ exit for 30 or so years.
It caused an unexpected stirr and I lost it...
It goes without saying, 48 years of NP activity and still learning...
I love it. 

[Nameless]

So SP is not strictly necessary. However, almost all examples of mind split OBEs are spontaneous, not self induced.

So that is what it is called. Reading old topics has paid off. I've been enjoying this one and finally have found a description of a few events I've had. Thanks to all the contributors.

ETA: Spoke too soon

[Nameless]

I've been very aware of myself and out of nowhere comes a visual distortion usually a blue fog. Then I know of some impending event that I can prevent. This all happens while doing my daily tasks, outside of the autopilot mode. I just KNOW and its never wrong. Is this some part of the mind split where a part of my higher self somehow integrates itself and lets me know?
Can't find much on a satisfactory explanation. I just accept it.

This! Except I don't see a blue fog. This is where/when I will see a coming event or lately a few times other stuff I have yet to work out.

[Szaxx]

A better explanation would be a haziness that overlays physical sight if it's a visual perception. I have had thick blue fog appear and this was specific to one family. The generalised 'knowing' that's not visual is normally a kind of imprint in your mind. A strong one will stir up emotions you didn't know you had. I've found out recently that it's the thoughts others are going to have that's percieved. These can be very strong and break you into pieces. You become them and all that follows from their point of view. These strong ones are rare, you only receive what you can handle so there's no nutcase suite required. Lol. 
Feelings may have another meaning outside of the physical norm, have you recognised this yet in a more often attached sort of way?

[Nameless]

A better explanation would be a haziness that overlays physical sight if it's a visual perception. I have had thick blue fog appear and this was specific to one family. The generalised 'knowing' that's not visual is normally a kind of imprint in your mind. A strong one will stir up emotions you didn't know you had. I've found out recently that it's the thoughts others are going to have that's percieved. These can be very strong and break you into pieces. You become them and all that follows from their point of view. These strong ones are rare, you only receive what you can handle so there's no nutcase suite required. Lol. 
Feelings may have another meaning outside of the physical norm, have you recognised this yet in a more often attached sort of way?

Exactly and that is exactly what happened when I was three, only I had absolutely no reference point. And the perception lasted an entire day. It's that 'knowing' without understanding why that was so hard but it foreshadowed events that happened in the near future. It actually took me years to tie that 'knowing' in with what happened later. I'm glad they are rare although now being older and somewhat wiser it wouldn't be as bad (I hope).

[ThaomasOfGrey]

Szaxx, I am intrigued by your idea on perceiving the future thoughts of others. The sense of "knowing" is what the locals name Claire-cognizance. I have experienced it a few times in my life in the form of a precognition. The thought enters your mind "what if this bus crashed?", but it is more than a proposal, it is a sense that this bus WILL crash with certainty and 10 seconds later it does.

I never had the impression that I was getting post event information via someone's thoughts. The message was delivered in the tense of an event to come. I guess it comes in different flavors for different people.