Alert!! Has anyone visited the Oval Office o.b.e... can you verify that there is an energy field around it and the white house... I couldn't get in... I was in the Congressional Chamber that was easy.
S.
It's been discussed here before that there are "force fields" preventing access to many federal buildings and such. I mean on one hand it wouldn't surprise me with all of the remote viewing and psychic espionage the US government has worked at over the years. It would make sense for them to protect their secrets in that regard. On the other hand, the reality of a "RTZ" is questionable. It's much more likely (imo) that it's an astral environment that looks similar to the "real world". Nevertheless, there could very well be an astral force field in an astral replica of the white house. maybe it's full of aliens or something who do their work in the astral and put up force fields there.
Next time u can try using Moen's described method (actually TMI's) of Seeing-It-Not-There. Imagine that whatever is in the way is not there.
Quote from: personalreality on October 17, 2010, 12:20:25
It's been discussed here before that there are "force fields" preventing access to many federal buildings and such. I mean on one hand it wouldn't surprise me with all of the remote viewing and psychic espionage the US government has worked at over the years. It would make sense for them to protect their secrets in that regard. On the other hand, the reality of a "RTZ" is questionable. It's much more likely (imo) that it's an astral environment that looks similar to the "real world". Nevertheless, there could very well be an astral force field in an astral replica of the white house. maybe it's full of aliens or something who do their work in the astral and put up force fields there.
Hi personality: I was looking to get a corroboration of an experience. But, it would make sense from a Masonic point of view... since G. Washington laid the capitol out based on Masonic geometry. But, the rtz issue is of course part of the overall problem of traveling I just recently broke through in traveling with control... due I think to my recent Buhlman seminar at TMI. But it would be nice to find out someoneelse saw or experienced the same phenomena.
S.
It seems 'logical' to me that there would be a 'force field' anywhere that is deemed private, like in government building, company boardrooms and anywhere there is the need for some sort of secrecy. The intention (even if subconscious) of the people that regularly meet there would form it, especially in an astral environment.
I agree that unless you live close to the target location it'd be difficult to get any view of such places, more than likely you'd get what someone else is thinking about them, and only if they're open to being read.
Just an opinion, obviously.
And yes, I have encountered the same phenomenon when trying to go to a new neighbor's house. So, anywhere where there is the expectation of privacy is probably guarded in some way, it seems to me.
Quote from: Pauli2 on October 17, 2010, 12:28:24
Next time u can try using Moen's described method (actually TMI's) of Seeing-It-Not-There. Imagine that whatever is in the way is not there.
Hi Pauli: Yes, that is a thought. I know about it but, there are so many things to remember like staying obe... I forgot about that tool.
S.
Quote from: CFTraveler on October 17, 2010, 12:50:47
And yes, I have encountered the same phenomenon when trying to go to a new neighbor's house. So, anywhere where there is the expectation of privacy is probably guarded in some way, it seems to me.
Hi CF: I didn't think of that... as Frank Kepple says there IS an area each individual maintains that is in accessible to any other entity... wonder if there is a relationship between the expectation of privacy and this individual area of privacy.
S.
I think it does. Imagine ten people having this expectation, and the mentality of those who do daily bug sweeps and such- they are unconsciously building psychic security for this place.
That's why (and this is my opinion only) I think remote viewing is better for this type of work- there is no sense of 'going' there, just of 'seeing' what's there. If only psychological, the difference in intent may make it more effective.
Quote from: CFTraveler on October 17, 2010, 13:02:17
I think it does. Imagine ten people having this expectation, and the mentality of those who do daily bug sweeps and such- they are unconsciously building psychic security for this place.
That's why (and this is my opinion only) I think remote viewing is better for this type of work- there is no sense of 'going' there, just of 'seeing' what's there. If only psychological, the difference in intent may make it more effective.
Hi All: Next chance I get I will try to visit 10 Downing st... I think Buckingham Palace palace should be open... Maybe the KBG headquarters at Lubiangka prison... that may require an extra boost of Resident Energy Balloon reinforcement on second thought I am not all that enthusiastic about anything Russian. I think I will stick with happy positive things.
S.
Quote from: Seraphis1 on October 17, 2010, 12:47:26
due I think to my recent Buhlman seminar at TMI.
do you live near TMI? I do.
Quote from: personalreality on October 17, 2010, 15:56:10
do you live near TMI? I do.
Hi Personality: No, I do a seminar twice a year... I live in California.
S.
Pricey! :)
Robert Monroe wrote about a 'mindguard' for Pres. Kennedy in his first book.
I found the excerpt on the net (as pdf, you can google for kennedy and "robert monroe"):
"That evening, after going to bed, the surge came again, and I drifted out.
I was floating over several houses, trying to decide what to do, when
suddenly this tall man appeared in front of me (the same one), and stopped
me merely by being in my way. I got an impression of calm strength. He
asked me why I wanted to see the President. I was surprised at first,
because I didn't have any particular desire to see Eisen-hower (that was my
mind's connotation of President), but I made up an idea of a plan for
peace, and told the tall man about it. He then asked how "we can be sure
you are loyal to the United States." I replied, still confused, that I was
sure proper information on me was in Washington. He then said, after a
moment, that I could not see the President at this time. I consented
agreeably, and returned. Lying in bed, thinking it over, I first realized
that Eisenhower was no longer President of course. I also suddenly had the
very deep conviction that Kennedy had a psychic bodyguard (or rather
mindguard). I then realized that Kennedy might be there in Hyannis that
weekend. I got up and went downstairs, found the local paper, and on the
front page was the story that Kennedy was arriving in Hyannis that afternoon.
(I had not seen a paper for the past two days.)"
- Robert Monroe (Journeys Out Of Body)
Quote from: Xanth on October 17, 2010, 16:38:00
Pricey! :)
Hi X: Yeah but fun and worth it. Even the travel I look forward to. I'm going to Strelesky's focus 12 seminar in Jan in Esalen.
S.
The next time you're at TMI drive east for 45 minutes and come to my metaphysical bookshop in richmond.
Quote from: personalreality on October 18, 2010, 23:43:51
The next time you're at TMI drive east for 45 minutes and come to my metaphysical bookshop in richmond.
Hi Personality: Not an easy thing to do... I will be there in july for heartlines but, I don't drive... the TMI van pickes us up at the airport and from then on I am in isolation for a week.
S.
that's intense.
well, just in case you ever get the chance.
i have a unique opportunity to meet fellow Astral Pulsers since i'm so close to TMI.
But we spend so much time here because we can't afford TMI. ;D
Quote from: Stookie on October 19, 2010, 14:41:01
But we spend so much time here because we can't afford TMI. ;D
That's definitely MY excuse. :)
Quote from: Stookie on October 19, 2010, 14:41:01
But we spend so much time here because we can't afford TMI. ;D
Hi Stookie: What state are you in?? How is it you can't save enough for a once a year TMI experience?
S.
Quote from: Seraphis1 on October 19, 2010, 15:24:29
Hi Stookie: What state are you in?? How is it you can't save enough for a once a year TMI experience?
S.
From the courses I've seen, they're around $1000 - $2000...
I dunno about Stookie, but I certainly can't afford that kind of thing... especially when I can learn to do the same thing here for free. :)
Quote from: Xanth on October 19, 2010, 15:27:35
From the courses I've seen, they're around $1000 - $2000...
I dunno about Stookie, but I certainly can't afford that kind of thing... especially when I can learn to do the same thing here for free. :)
Hi X: Don't forget travel expenses. The whole thing can cost up to $4000. :-D. And you are right... with diligent practice you can accomplish the important things for free. But, for newbies who can afford it, it is a great experience without a doubt and a safe environment. For those who have real difficulty it is a big help because it is a neutral environment. And there is a group dynamic that is pretty powerful. Plus some fun things happen. In one of my seminars I was in my chec unit and in an exercise and heard a man say 'Hello'. When we debriefed I told the group I heard someone say 'Hello" and the guy pipes up, 'that was me... I went around and said hello to everyone'. :-o Then, in one of my sessions... as we were coming out of a session I felt someone take my hand... I knew who it was... at debriefing I told her what happened in debriefing... and she said, 'yeah we were all in a circle...' The only thing I remember is her taking my hand. :roll:
So there is a fun aspect to it all as well as a productive growth thing. And supporting a bonified honorable group to advance the evolutionary growth of the planet.
S
I'm just against charging large sums of money for this kind of education.
This type of stuff should be free (or near free) to all of humanity.
If TMI wanted to help humanity, as was Robert Monroe's initial goal... he wouldn't have been charging all this money.
Personal opinion. :)
Quote from: Seraphis1 on October 19, 2010, 15:24:29
Hi Stookie: What state are you in?? How is it you can't save enough for a once a year TMI experience?
S.
I suppose I
could if I really wanted to. I guess when it comes down to it, I have a really cool job that I love, but it doesn't pay a
whole lot, so I'm really stingy with it. And right now it's going into my Stookie-Goes-To-Japan fund. :lol:
Quote from: Xanth on October 19, 2010, 16:08:13
I'm just against charging large sums of money for this kind of education.
This type of stuff should be free (or near free) to all of humanity.
If TMI wanted to help humanity, as was Robert Monroe's initial goal... he wouldn't have been charging all this money.
Personal opinion. :)
Hi X: Good luck in creating that consensus reality.
S.
Well, think about it... Robert Monroe was actually quite the hypocrite.
I mean on the one hand, he thought he was here to help educate and move humanity into a new level of "knowing".
Humanity means "everyone"... not "just those who are able to pay".
Sorry, but that's where I get off the Monroe-express.
I think they do have some actual expenses to deal with. I mean, the whole environment there is prepared to provide the best experience ever to its users. I've never been there, but if I do I'll expect nothing but excellence. I guess the shielding used there must be somewhat expensive, training the staff must be quite difficult and research probablt has its share too. However, I don't think it's enough to charge each user $2000 per gateway voyage program.
What I think happens is that such a pricetag puts off some of the less serious experimenters. Imagine if it cost about $500 per voyage program. Their userbase would most certainly expand and it would attract many people that aren't that serious about what they do over there. (I don't mean that anyone who isn't willing to cashout $2000 doesn't take this subject seriously, but most people who do feel like spending that amount are pretty serious about it).
Also, it keeps their success rates high, for people would rather practice a lot at home before applying than arrive there "green" and spoil the experience.
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Well, think about it... Robert Monroe was actually quite the hypocrite.
I mean on the one hand, he thought he was here to help educate and move humanity into a new level of "knowing".
Humanity means "everyone"... not "just those who are able to pay".
Sorry, but that's where I get off the Monroe-express.
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Hold on X: I have no idea where you are getting your facts –
Firstly, Monroe was a business man not a religious zealot. As a matter of fact, he avoided religious symbolism and according to an early trainer, whenever he heard a trainer use words like chakras and the like he dressed them down. It was only after he died that things loosened up and occasionally a trainer with a background in one of the esoteric religions will slip up and use none scientific words with a religious connotation.
Second: The Monroe Institute is a 501(c)(3) educational and scientific research organization dedicated to the exploration of human consciousness it is not a religious institution. It is non-profit by law therefore the tuition is much less than it would be if it were a for profit business enterprise. I don't know the conditions of Monroe's Estate but, it appears he left all his money and property to the Institute and all proceeds for those investments and properties along with gratuity from students go for the reasonable maintenance of and furthering of the cause of human consciousness exploration.
Third: You are entitled to your opinion about how 'you' personally would run an educational and research institution, but, unless you have proclaimed yourself 'god' and have created rules of how others 'will' conduct their business, I would avoid left handed slanderous attacks on another's motives and integrity. You are entitled to hold Monroe in distain.
Fourth: To my knowledge The Monroe Institute is on the cutting edge of imparting to others 'real' information that is 'not' theory... about the non-physical universe...; and 'real' skills of how an individual may learn for yourself how to contact and interact with the non-physical.
S.
So many assumptions...
I never mentioned ANYTHING about "religion"... "god"... "zealot"... "theory"...
Wow... just, wow. You need to read and think before replying.
I'm just going by what the man said in his books.
That he wanted to help change humanity. I said NOTHING about *ANYTHING* you mentioned.
You make it sound like I'm ready to crucify the man. >_< Geeze.
All I said was that for a guy who wanted to bring his message to as many people as he could... he sure isn't going about it the right way.
I FULLY respect the man for what he's accomplished and the knowledge that he has passed along. But, I just think that TMI is too "commercialized" nowadays.
I'm sure that TMI has expanded after monroe's death, but monroe wasn't some humble servant, he was out to make money like everyone else.
I'm still with you ryan. Especially when the one charging money is presented as this generous guru. The amounts of money they charge people are ridiculous. If they genuinely want to help humanity "wake-up" to their true nature, then they should make this stuff affordable for anyone. just saying.
Last I heard, and I don't know how true this is, but for a time Monroe was "running" TMI from a Focus 27 TMI facility he setup.
Again, don't know how much truth is in it... but then, I don't see why not. LoL
I can understand $1500 for a week or so. About the price of a nice cruise or vacation.
Quote...includes experiential training with qualified facilitators, lodging, all meals and snacks, evening educational programs and guest speakers, the use of fitness and recreation areas, an optional morning exercise program, and free transportation to and from Charlottesville, Virginia.
If I didn't have to be so stingy, I'd give it a go. Sounds fun. Maybe one day.
Quote from: Xanth on October 20, 2010, 08:53:43
Last I heard, and I don't know how true this is, but for a time Monroe was "running" TMI from a Focus 27 TMI facility he setup.
Again, don't know how much truth is in it... but then, I don't see why not. LoL
Frank said he found him in the astral a couple times. I remain skeptical...
I've told you all that I think Monroe set up a "focus 27" place where he now lives and absorbs energy from the suckers that go to TMI.
Stookie, I too remain skeptical about that.
And PR..
Monroe is a parasite?! LoL :)
yea. think about it. he wasn't some spiritually enlightened master. he was a normal dude, electrical engineer, nothing special and BAM! he spontaneously projects. all of a sudden he discovers all this new stuff. who's to say that he wasn't overcome with the energy he was feeling. perhaps he liked it a little too much. next thing you know Darth Monroe.
Quote from: personalreality on October 20, 2010, 13:06:07
yea. think about it. he wasn't some spiritually enlightened master. he was a normal dude, electrical engineer, nothing special and BAM! he spontaneously projects. all of a sudden he discovers all this new stuff. who's to say that he wasn't overcome with the energy he was feeling. perhaps he liked it a little too much. next thing you know Darth Monroe.
In all the attacks on the man who probably singlehandedly changed the metaphysical landscape, what is being missed is that he figured out the the Astral 'Mud', demons and dragons etc... was an unnecessary diversion... Transcendents knew about this which is why they vetted their students for moral character before taking them on as chelas... and warned against the 'powers'...
You all owe Monroe the clear vision you now enjoy as a potential to get past the Astral mud. You just don't know it or even possibly understand it. Or worst yet care about it... you just benefit from it enormously.
Kepple makes this quite clear...
I haven't done the research on this, but, it is no accident that The University of Virginia has a research arm dedicated to human consciousness and that other mainstream universities around the country are slowing moving toward this study.
S.
I'm pretty sure PR is just joking. Humor doesn't translate well in a forum sometimes.
Quote from: Xanth on October 20, 2010, 12:15:26
Stookie, I too remain skeptical about that.
I tried to find it in his collection of posts, but I don't think it's there. But from what I can remember, he said he asked Monroe for tips for beginners to attain F10, and Monroe told him the key was F3 (Monroe's model). I think the other thing he mentioned was that Monroe told him that F35 actually exists in the RTZ (???). One thing he does say in those posts is about how elusive F35 was for him (but it's how he found F4), which is kinda funny because Frank always said he skipped over the RTZ. But I don't really know, it's just what I remember reading years ago.
Especially PR's particular brand of humour. ;)
As for the other thing... that does, indeed, ring a bell. I remember reading something along those lines as well... I'll have to try and find it.
Quote from: Seraphis1 on October 22, 2010, 12:07:37
In all the attacks on the man who probably singlehandedly changed the metaphysical landscape, what is being missed is that he figured out the the Astral 'Mud', demons and dragons etc... was an unnecessary diversion... Transcendents knew about this which is why they vetted their students for moral character before taking them on as chelas... and warned against the 'powers'...
You all owe Monroe the clear vision you now enjoy as a potential to get past the Astral mud. You just don't know it or even possibly understand it. Or worst yet care about it... you just benefit from it enormously.
Kepple makes this quite clear...
I haven't done the research on this, but, it is no accident that The University of Virginia has a research arm dedicated to human consciousness and that other mainstream universities around the country are slowing moving toward this study.
S.
I actually read monroe's books long after I can to the conclusion (on my own of course) that your astral experiences are influenced by your "moral character". I don't owe Monroe anything. I appreciate his contribution but also recognize that many people before him contributed a great deal to understanding our nonphysical side.
Thank you for trying to correct my personal opinion for me, sometimes I just have so much trouble figuring out how i feel about things.
Quote from: Stookie on October 22, 2010, 12:36:20
I'm pretty sure PR is just joking. Humor doesn't translate well in a forum sometimes.
I tried to find it in his collection of posts, but I don't think it's there. But from what I can remember, he said he asked Monroe for tips for beginners to attain F10, and Monroe told him the key was F3 (Monroe's model). I think the other thing he mentioned was that Monroe told him that F35 actually exists in the RTZ (???). One thing he does say in those posts is about how elusive F35 was for him (but it's how he found F4), which is kinda funny because Frank always said he skipped over the RTZ. But I don't really know, it's just what I remember reading years ago.
Since Monroe died on 1995, the posts would have to have been before that. Unless he meant after his death.
Yep, he meant he found him in the astral. That's what I remain mostly skeptical about. It was years ago and Frank is long gone, so I guess that's where it ends too.
I wasn't joking. I really think Monroe created these astral environments by defining/labeling them. Then he set up the monroe institute and wrote books to teach people about his environments and get them to practice projection primarily through his paradigm. This way, after his death, he would be able to exist in his own astral kingdom that is consistently being fed by all the people that come and drop $4000 to stay at the institute and the people that treat astral projection as just a bunch of arbitrary "focus levels".
Quote from: personalreality on October 22, 2010, 13:19:32
I actually read monroe's books long after I can to the conclusion (on my own of course) that your astral experiences are influenced by your "moral character". I don't owe Monroe anything. I appreciate his contribution but also recognize that many people before him contributed a great deal to understanding our nonphysical side.
Thank you for trying to correct my personal opinion for me, sometimes I just have so much trouble figuring out how i feel about things.
Hi pr: of course you don't owe anything to anyone. But, we are all the beneficiary of the fact that the astral mud can be bypassed... it is out there in the consciousness because of Monroe, Moen and Kepple... historically none but the transcendents knew this... l like atomic power once it is out there well its there to be used if you can figure out the logistics of it.
S.
Quote from: personalreality on October 22, 2010, 16:10:11
I wasn't joking. I really think Monroe created these astral environments by defining/labeling them. Then he set up the monroe institute and wrote books to teach people about his environments and get them to practice projection primarily through his paradigm. This way, after his death, he would be able to exist in his own astral kingdom that is consistently being fed by all the people that come and drop $4000 to stay at the institute and the people that treat astral projection as just a bunch of arbitrary "focus levels".
Lol!! You are a deep thinker.
S.
Quote from: Seraphis1 on October 22, 2010, 16:16:32
Lol!! You are a deep thinker.
S.
Too deep sometimes. LoL
Quote from: personalreality on October 22, 2010, 16:10:11
I wasn't joking. I really think Monroe created these astral environments by defining/labeling them. Then he set up the monroe institute and wrote books to teach people about his environments and get them to practice projection primarily through his paradigm. This way, after his death, he would be able to exist in his own astral kingdom that is consistently being fed by all the people that come and drop $4000 to stay at the institute and the people that treat astral projection as just a bunch of arbitrary "focus levels".
Lol!! You are a deep thinker.
S.
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Hi All: At first I was going to let this slide but, it is possible people need to know what I mean about the Astral Mud and the free areas of the upper focus levels 27 and above:
Excerpted Kepple: FOCUS 2
Focus 2 of consciousness is what is commonly known by psychologists, as your "subconscious" but there is nothing "sub" about it. Focus 2 is where most people do their dreaming, lucid dreaming, their "astral projecting", their meeting up with all manner of demons and devils, etc.
This is where religion has been stuck for millions of years. Even enlightened ones like Buddhism doesn't seem to get that this astral area is a trap and can be by passed... instead they've created all this hocus pocus about avoiding demons and the like which may or may not work... the point is why encounter them at all.
The astral is an area which can be passed through and most non-physical explorers armed with Monroe, Moen and Kepple will negotiate quite easily.
Excerpted Kepple: Focus 3 is what I call a 'common area' of our Consciousness Continuum. This means that unlike Focus 2, which is ours alone and can only be experienced by ourselves, our Focus 3 area of consciousness intertwines with everyone else's; we can all share in each other's Focus 3 areas of consciousness and interact with each other. As you step into Focus 3 then you will find that it is much like the physical is. Here you can meet people in a totally objective sense exactly as you can while physical. Within this region it is obvious these people are not merely creations of your own imagination. It is as obvious as it is apparent that other people are not merely creations of your imagination within the physical.
Kepple makes clear the focus 27 and above are free will areas. You choose to interact with others... I have heard as a matter of fact you can't meet anyone here how dislikes you or you dislke... there is no coercion or belief system power working here.
Monroe's focus 23 thru 26 is where the hollow heavens and hells reside and you gravitate there based on strong fixed belief system constructs such as pr was attempting to allude to accept the Monroes work leads you to 27 and above which are free will areas.
Anyway most of you who are really interested can follow thru for yourselves to clarify these ideas... I thought it was important to at least point people to areas of investigation to get there facts straight... there is enough misinformation in the universe.
S.
I've never heard the term "Astral Mud" before, but I thought it was common knowledge that your subconscious reflects into the astral and you in turn experience the projections it creates until you learn to move past it.
Quote from: personalreality on October 22, 2010, 17:07:23
I've never heard the term "Astral Mud" before, but I thought it was common knowledge that your subconscious reflects into the astral and you in turn experience the projections it creates until you learn to move past it.
Hi pr: read the kepple material... it is the best around. The point is you don't have to get into the astral or Kepple focus 2... (particularly upon death) in the training you are led out of these areas and for the purposes of exploration you can do whatever you want to do... the belief system terretories are in kepples f2 for you to examime while you are in physical form or any other area you choose to go to once you are proficient in shifting focus... the training is all about learning to shifting focus and/or traveling...
S.
i have indeed read the monroe and kepple resources.
let me respond simply. i don't like the presumptuous attitude and subsequent definition declared by kepple and monroe. who the hell do they think they are?! jesus or something? lol, totally kidding.
but in all seriousness, these people are fine for achieving projection, but as far as "astral physics" goes, that is an individual journey. you experience the astral world you expect to experience.
Quote from: personalreality on October 22, 2010, 19:40:44
i have indeed read the monroe and kepple resources.
let me respond simply. i don't like the presumptuous attitude and subsequent definition declared by kepple and monroe. who the hell do they think they are?! jesus or something? lol, totally kidding.
but in all seriousness, these people are fine for achieving projection, but as far as "astral physics" goes, that is an individual journey. you experience the astral world you expect to experience.
What area did you project to...??? What did you see? What experiements have you performed? Who are your guides and what do they say? Please don't take this as a cheap shot... but, if you are familiar with kepple how come you didn't know he is the one who coined the concept of 'Astral Mud'.
S.
See? This is what I'm talking about when it comes to ya'lls concepts and definitions.
My goodness people... just be happy that this kind of shite is happening to you at all. And this concept of "astral mud"... WTF?... who cares?
Most ppl here are so bogged down by other people's perceptions that it is bogging down their own..............acceleration. STOP IT. :x
Your perception of YOUR life is exactly what it should be. Don't look towards others to validate what you think should happen.
Just saying.
Quote from: personalreality on October 22, 2010, 19:40:44
i have indeed read the monroe and kepple resources.
but in all seriousness, these people are fine for achieving projection, but as far as "astral physics" goes, that is an individual journey. you experience the astral world you expect to experience.
Hi PR: First, the astral and the planes above the astral are not the same and do not respond to the same laws. The astral kepple's f2... is the individual's subconscious in which you are right what you think will be created on demand.
But the f23 and above are a collective consciousness in which you interact with others reality... tho, you can create with thought... others don't have to accept your creation...
If you can get into a Hollow heaven, try to convert someone... or start preaching heresy... they will probably attack you... they can't hurt you... but you will have to leave... but, you will not be able to affect or change that consensus reality... therefore it is incorrect to say in all the non-physical what you create is what you get...
S.
Quote from: Naykid on October 22, 2010, 21:53:45
See? This is what I'm talking about when it comes to ya'lls concepts and definitions.
My goodness people... just be happy that this kind of shite is happening to you at all. And this concept of "astral mud"... WTF?... who cares?
Most ppl here are so bogged down by other people's perceptions that it is bogging down their own..............acceleration. STOP IT. :x
Your perception of YOUR life is exactly what it should be. Don't look towards others to validate what you think should happen.
Just saying.
Hi Nya kid: Well, said.
S.
hehehe.. it's Naykid. No need to split it up. I was once, Nay, and now I'm Naykid.
BUT... like I was saying, stop trying to define your experience by other experience... you can get some basis of it.. but to totally define it...NO WAY.
Astral Mud and how to get dunked in it:
I recently watched a documentary on the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Essenes. I realized this was a perfect example of the getting stuck in the Astral Mud.
The Essenes practiced very severe austerity and exotic ascetic techniques along with elaborate rituals... this obviously put then into a phasing or obe state in which they penetrated the astral world... because they didn't understand where they were and didn't explore beyond the astral areas... they got tangled in visions of potential futures... they saw their own demise at the hands of the Romans... but, reversed the victory and added a victory and divine salvation... which Evangelical Christians today still interpret as the coming Armageddon end of days...
S.
Quote from: Naykid on October 22, 2010, 21:53:45
See? This is what I'm talking about when it comes to ya'lls concepts and definitions.
My goodness people... just be happy that this kind of shite is happening to you at all. And this concept of "astral mud"... WTF?... who cares?
Most ppl here are so bogged down by other people's perceptions that it is bogging down their own..............acceleration. STOP IT. :x
Your perception of YOUR life is exactly what it should be. Don't look towards others to validate what you think should happen.
Just saying.
I never thought this would happen, but thank you Nay, that is my point exactly.
My experiences in projection are ultimately irrelevant. It doesn't matter what I have experienced, the simple truth is that I have experienced the shift in awareness that people call astral projection and I will certainly come to ever evolving conclusions about these journeys. But I come to these conclusions on my own and I wouldn't dream of telling other people "this is how it is".
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Yeah, I know that had to hurt.
word.