Sacred Plant Sound Frequencies (entheogenic experiencing)

[SpiralStarz]

Hello again to all! I have a topic that I can share that may be of interest!
  As I have mentioned before, an entheogenic pathway has lead me to many interesting revelations and experiences.
I feel excited to share thoughts and experiences relating to altered states of consciousness...be it OBE's, visions, lucid dreams, and various other sources... I know of one recent area that I've become involved with is that could most certainly be of interest to many group members.
Lately none of my psychedelic experiences have been as profound as  a new kind of sound frequencies ...that apparently entrain the mind powerfully into states very closely approximating the types that salvia can induce. These are not at all similar to binaural beats and are a completely new breakthrough.
 I know of a scientific researcher who seems to have engineered a way to emulate a significant part of the salvia experience purely through sound! If this is of interest to anyone for me to share more about my experiences, just let me know!
-R

[Klaxen_2008]

Yes pls tell me more. What are these sound frequencies called?

[RisingSon]

OK, it certainly does sound interesting...

[litenith]

I would to 'hear' more of this. I felt somewhat of annoyance when you didn't mention any specific. Hopefully this won't turn out to be another 'for 99$ you'll get the most secret secret of all them secrets'.

[kailaurius]

My curiosity got the best of me so I did a search and found this website.  I'm pretty busy at the moment so I only had time to listen to one sample.  Enjoy:

http://69.89.31.222/~thesoun6/salvia.htm

I'll try to listen to more later and give some feedback.

Notice the website address doesn't use a DNS name so I'm not sure if that's a static or dynamic IP address, so it might be best to download the sounds before the site could possibly vanish if it's such a secret like I've been reading.

EDIT:  I still haven't listened to the sample tracks or the full track yet, but I did have time to look at the prices for each track as well as for the entire set, and that seems just a bit too pricey.  I intend to listen to the full free track tomorrow while I'm in deep meditation.  The free track will have to be extremely effective before I will consider paying that price for each track or even the entire set.

[litenith]

Okay, I got interested and decided to research this guy.
Obviously he's trying desperately to sell his product which, by the way, is absolute bovine excrement. I stood for couple of hours listening to this sample and, evidently, all it did was to give me a headache out of frustration. You can see all the numerous posts this guy made on other similar forums.

http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopicp-248312.html
http://www.yogaforums.com/forums/f20/experiencing-sacred-plants-without-ingesting-or-smoking-5220.html#post26042
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1537434#i
http://neardeath.ipbhost.com/viewtopic.php?p=94324&highlight=&sid=f3e2a2b0a85b0177dc5de3a11a40070e#94324

My suggestion is DO NOT FALL FOR THIS PRODUCT. If it was so good then he wouldn't have been hiding behind personal messages. Basically, he does not want to share additional information as it is a scam. He won't 'fight' on the open, but rather get you while you're alone.

You can clearly see his strategy if you look into his posts. All he has is 2 posts on each forum. The first one is some sort of 'introduction' saying how much he loves the given forum and then comes the second one in which he advertises. Of course, restraining himself from providing the readers with additional information.

[SpiralStarz]

My curiosity got the best of me so I did a search and found this website.  I'm pretty busy at the moment so I only had time to listen to one sample.  Enjoy:

http://69.89.31.222/~thesoun6/salvia.htm

I'll try to listen to more later and give some feedback.

Notice the website address doesn't use a DNS name so I'm not sure if that's a static or dynamic IP address, so it might be best to download the sounds before the site could possibly vanish if it's such a secret like I've been reading.

EDIT:  I still haven't listened to the sample tracks or the full track yet, but I did have time to look at the prices for each track as well as for the entire set, and that seems just a bit too pricey.  I intend to listen to the full free track tomorrow while I'm in deep meditation.  The free track will have to be extremely effective before I will consider paying that price for each track or even the entire set.

Thank you for your honest feedback and diligent researching. I'm excited to hear about your experience!
Here's an example of an experience that I had when I listened to one of the salvia frequencies for the first time compared to experiences I have had from smoking salvia.
There are many other testimonials about the other frequencies as well as the salvia tracks ones that follow along the same lines as what I have experienced.
"I have smoked salvia and I have listened to the sounds.

Smoking salvia can be intense and kind of scary for me. You can't change the fact that your on it and you have to just 'go along for the ride,' until it's done. The room morphs, things look 2 dimensional and I have felt the presence of a female or a male/female sounding voice teaching me things about 'the nature of time'... I lost sense of my body and surroundings during this particular trip but most of the time, after smoking salvia, I have trouble leaving my body, leaving the room and or escaping from being smothered in my bed, or the floor, or the walls, etc.. which can be very, very uncomfortable!
More than once I can definitely say that I wanted my salvia trip to stop and couldn't have it that way at all! I am not sure why this is. No offense to the actual plant here..

With the sound frequencies.. i got into a calm meditave state with dim lighting and with only silence around me.. I started the audio track.
Immediately... my eyelids started to flutter... like R.E.M... and I couldn't, for the life of me, get them to stop... So I decided to just ignore them and really pay attention to what I was seeing inside of my eyelids/mind, mind's eye... whatever you want to call it.
I felt calmly like i was becoming lighter, filled with something or like my body was dissipating, kinda like a sinking feeling all at once.... I started to see images very cleary!
First of a blue and black space with a blue metallic shifting ball moving about and morphing within the space .. which I felt like I was a part of ... then a tall, tall shiny blue muscular man stood with a flat horizontal, white and blue plane extending out from his eyes.. and all above me and behind me...

Also i have seen a bunch of fairies playing around. (I don't think about fairies.. like ever so I found this quite odd.)
I found myself in my body again laying on a forest floor.. i smelled a strange alien smell that i have never smelt before...
Suddenly my body dissapeared and a fairy was doing some sort of dance or running jig over the spot I had been laying on...though my perception was still in the same spot...
there was alot of giggling..
The fairies kept playing around with me and flying past the space I felt my presence in.. they circled me and i felt that tricksy presence that i have felt while on salvia but it was much more benevolent and less controlling and frightening.

When i came to i had the same after effect feeling of salvia except i wasn't sweating as much and I wasn't drooling.. I felt floaty and buzzing, tingling sensations and my room seemed 'different'.

Overall I have had much more positive experiences with the frequencies and I enjoy the fact that I don't have to go buying more and more salvia!! It's just an audio track i can play again and again.. and i can leave the 'high' whenever i want to..I never felt scared either.

All in all... I'm kind of afraid of smoking salvia.. and the sound frequency is a literal mathematic emulation of the ACTUAL frequency that the plant emits and the frequency that emits off of a person while high on it.
I hope this will be helpful for you or anyone else interested.
There's a strong science backing up all of this.
-R

[SpiralStarz]

Okay, I got interested and decided to research this guy.
Obviously he's trying desperately to sell his product which, by the way, is absolute bovine excrement. I stood for couple of hours listening to this sample and, evidently, all it did was to give me a headache out of frustration. You can see all the numerous posts this guy made on other similar forums.

http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopicp-248312.html
http://www.yogaforums.com/forums/f20/experiencing-sacred-plants-without-ingesting-or-smoking-5220.html#post26042
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1537434#i
http://neardeath.ipbhost.com/viewtopic.php?p=94324&highlight=&sid=f3e2a2b0a85b0177dc5de3a11a40070e#94324

My suggestion is DO NOT FALL FOR THIS PRODUCT. If it was so good then he wouldn't have been hiding behind personal messages. Basically, he does not want to share additional information as it is a scam. He won't 'fight' on the open, but rather get you while you're alone.

You can clearly see his strategy if you look into his posts. All he has is 2 posts on each forum. The first one is some sort of 'introduction' saying how much he loves the given forum and then comes the second one in which he advertises. Of course, restraining himself from providing the readers with additional information.

I am someone who volunteered to test some of the scientist's work out...that was not him just trying to sell. I actually do enjoy the forums that I have joined... I am interested in alternative health and exploration,I am not the research scientist himself...I  have not claimed to be.

I find it interesting that you claimed you found this interesting enough to do the searching that you did, and then to crucify this research scientist for the sheer sake of it. But somehow you completely failed to keep an open mind, even though acted like you were having one during your witch hunt. You somehow seem to have missed that on the site, that you supposedly thoroughly scrutinized, you intentionally omitted or completely failed to recognize and report back fairly and justly to fellow members on this forum the enormous amount of people who have posted tons of positive experiences.

  The headache that you claim you got from listening to the SAMPLE, that anyone can hear, without having to spend anything, seems fairly unique in contrast to the extremely large number of people including myself who really dig this stuff.
It smells to me like you're just doing what you probably do, because it's what you do.
That's sad to me.
And by the way, there are six samples on the page for 30 seconds each. You obviously didn't actually read the instructions because you aren't supposed to listen to the sample tracks for that long, that's why in addition the samples, there's also a free full track from that kit that can be listened to for a longer time.
You screwed up.


So, after reading your letter I decided to do some research on the internet...on you.

I suppose if I was looking for a valid opinion on computer war games.. you would be the first person I would go to, as it seems you have thousands of posts, for a 21 year old, on the fine art of computer war gaming, namely World of Warcraft. Unfortunately that doesn't make you terribly qualified to offer meaningful criticism on the subject that I posted about. I found a few other interesting links too. The very first one seems to be a video in your favourites list of a female having feces slung in her face. Here's the link: www.dailymotion.com/video/6855487 .

So then, the very next link I found, your entry starts off literally with the phrase and I quote, " I just do not believe everything that I hear or read as a great deal of that information is often just begging for your dollar."

Here's the link for that
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_2012_and_the_maya/scientists_agree_that_something_big_will_happen_in_2012-t29963.0.html;msg247392

Also I found this kind of strange, "He won't 'fight' on the open, but rather get you while you're alone." C'mon dude, seriously who thinks like that? This isn't World of Warcraft.


I realized you seem to acting on auto pilot and not really seem to be replying to the actual subject...perhaps instead of trying to sensor everyone else's experience... you should let people decide for themselves... assuming that you don't think that people are as ignorant as you claim they are in the above link that you posted.
"...'The inability of the public to think critically about scientific issues
..",  or am I just providing partial information on the provided posting that you made. Could you just be doing the same thing?
-R

[litenith]

The samples on that website, no, they do not work (for me, that is). In fact, they did not even let me concentrate, rather just frustrated me, hence the headache. And I have been interested in OBEs and altered states of consciousness for more than a year, practicing on a daily basis. So I think I do have somewhat rough experience on the subject, even though I recently got interested enough to finally buy a computer and research further on the subject through the web. Your friend's website is not the first one I have  come across since then. Even for such a short period of time since I have internet access, I have been scammed once and I don't think I'll fall in for such an advert ever again. As I can tell, the web is just as fictitious, sometimes, as real life.

You're clearly mistaken of who I am. The whole video gaming section I didn't get at all. I have never had time, interest nor the possibility (e.g. computer, funds, etc.)  for that.  Sure I am the only person using this nickname? Ever came to your mind of how people see something, like it in a way and decide to use it? And no, not 21 years old, wish I was; born in 84. Furthermore, accusing me of supporting videos as the one you linked (which was, the least to say, horrific, as well as moronic) and labeling me as wasting my precious time with silly 'video games' is extremely low of you.

I am not restraining people in any way. If they are subjective, sure, they will also ignore my message and might decide to give it a go and try the package. My decision was not to do so, and also to advise people to save their money as I once lost mine over silly adverts. Also, the testimonies on that website ( which by the way I found hard time navigating through) I don't believe In them as a large portion of website creators, as I saw, write the testimonies themselves. That does not mean your friend does that, but I don't exclude the possibility. 

My suggestion is, try not to judge in a prejudice manner or be so offensive towards your consumers. After all, ain't I just a consumer? Can't I have my own thoughts on your friend's product? The last time I checked doing so was still acceptable, as well as advising people on the basis of your own experience ( an experience the provided samples gave me). True, the samples are said to be nothing like the originals, but aren't we to assume that these samples are supposed to convince us - the consumers - to buy the originals? So far, I found a pack of 60 earplugs for 5 bucks to provide better results and I might as well stick with them.
And please, do not compare your experience to mine as you probably had the chance of listening to the actual originals while we, the consumers, have the possibility of only listening to the provided samples before buying the product. Sure enough, I might have better experience by listening to the originals than the one I had from the samples but how am I to know that?

Additionally, the website with all its samples, testimonies (referring to http://69.89.31.222/~thesoun6/?page_id=6)  and 'this is the best you'll find' type of scientific and whatnot explanations is not convincing enough, for me at least. In this everyday life, in which we are bombarded by similar adverts, your friend will have to do better. For the money that package is  I can buy more than a month worth of food, probably. Am I to blame for that, for trying to survive that is? If I want to sacrifice one thing for another, I'll need a very good reason especially if that 'thing' is my well-being, my health.
People either like or dislike something; they tend to advise everybody else with common interests according to their past experiences. As far as I know, I still am in a human body; still just a human being - acting as one. And all of that is just fine, or, well, maybe not for you, who knows. Whether the case be, lets just 'agree that we disagree'. I sure don't have time for further confrontations.

[SpiralStarz]

   Well for one I am sorry I mistook you for, from what I saw, to be the same person as the very few other Litenith's on the internet. I was trying to only prove a point, that being: You cannot go on assuming that you know something about a person's intentions with very little information especially from the use of some internet posts that they have made. That will obviously not show any truth about a person or their true intentions whatsoever.

Your knee jerk response toward my personal explenation of this anomalous new technology, which has plenty of free FULL length tracks to use, was an extreme example of prejudice on your part. The scientist has worked many years to fine tune this completly rare and, as I see it, important part of science and alternative sound frequency technology.
Here, a quote from the page itself, which is clear and easy to read by anyone.

"Perhaps its best to consider and understand, that literally everything that exists is comprised of and can actually be defined at a fundamental level AS vibration. Energy in specific motional, formative expression through time and space. This means that so to must Salvia Divinorum, express itself as very specific energetic frequency profile.
A significant, actual, real world part of this profile has LITERALLY been concretely captured here".
Your assumption toward my, as well as the scientists intentions, I found to be just as mornoic and horrific. A scam? This group and it's research is far from that. A fight, is clearly not what I had been looking for when posting the illuminating information about this researchers work on such a site as this.
As the saying goes, Assuming will make an butt out of U and ME.

As I had said, if you actually read the website, which i'll admitt some parts take a little more dedication to navigate through, the sound samples that you listened to were short bits of a frequency for a SALVIA DIVINORUM induced trip. I am not surpised at all that you weren't able to concentrate from the 30 second samples, nor does the website claim that you should be able to concentrate on anything other than what an altered state such as Salvia can produce. Salvia is an entheogen use by many to produce mind altering effects, so I am not sure why you expected to be able to concentrate on anything, especially if you haven't used the plant or anything such as this scientists work before.

The testimonals are far from being fictitious they have come from a yahoo group comprised of 2, 700 members or more who have all responded from their unique and very personal experiences.

My experience was from the free 10 minute track provided, which is one from the original 19 track kit.

I have found the kit to be well worth the money being asked for.. each track being around 5 dollars each.

I admitt that I had taken the tactic from you. Looking into another's alias on the internet is not something I usually do, as I said, I was trying to prove a point.
Donald Adams does not see his group members as merely 'consumers' as you have claimed to be. The FREE samples provided have been enough to help him in his research, giving him plenty of honest and true testimonals before anyone has even purchashed anything whatsoever. He's given away, literally tens of thousands of samples, in his own good time and effort to many people who are in a situation similar to yours, which is not an exaggeration in the least.

Maybe next time, do your due diligence before you just beak off.
I'd like to be able to feel comfortable to share my own thoughts on a site that is supposed to be about enlightenment, spiritaulity, etc, without having to be confronted in such manner by people like you.

[no_leaf_clover]

The thing with these sounds is the same thing as with Monroe's Hemi Sync technology.

You can't just passively listen to it and expect miracles to occur.

You have to tune your consciousness to the frequencies you are hearing.  Like what Monroe is talking about when you are listening to the Hemi Sync tapes and he says, "Now go to your resonant tuning," or really the whole process of Monroe guiding you along despite the hemi-sync technology is because the listener has to actively be involved with the process, they can't simply expect all the work to be done for them by their ears.

Having said that, no frequency or set of frequencies is going to recreate the actual trip.  There is no substitute for that.  But unfortunately many people are too afraid and have too many issues to actually try the substances themselves.

[litenith]

In my defense, I would like to say that I actually listened to the 10 minute sample rather than downloading the 30 seconds one that my fellow 'forumer' linked. I also did not expect to gain an altered state of consciousness out of simply listening to it. I own the Hemi Sync, and, perhaps, I am used to it but the 10 minute sample that I downloaded .. just tensed my mind and body, I could not relax nor concentrate. I had it on replay for, probably, a couple of hours before bed. I am also against using any substances, but that's fine since I found that the Hemi Sync does work without them. So I do have faith in sound frequencies.

[SpiralStarz]

The thing with these sounds is the same thing as with Monroe's Hemi Sync technology.

You can't just passively listen to it and expect miracles to occur.

You have to tune your consciousness to the frequencies you are hearing.  Like what Monroe is talking about when you are listening to the Hemi Sync tapes and he says, "Now go to your resonant tuning," or really the whole process of Monroe guiding you along despite the hemi-sync technology is because the listener has to actively be involved with the process, they can't simply expect all the work to be done for them by their ears.

Having said that, no frequency or set of frequencies is going to recreate the actual trip.  There is no substitute for that.  But unfortunately many people are too afraid and have too many issues to actually try the substances themselves.

Thank you!
I am glad you have found this to be of interest, as much as I.

I highly respect Monroe's work. I think you will definatly get a kick out of the fact that this technology is actually quite different.
Also, the new stuff has been found to be even more powerful, and i'm not exagerrating when I say this, than any other audio tool to be found in the public domain.
You are very right about the fact that 'tuning in your consciousness", and or, going into a deep meditave while consciously aware state will definatly improve your experience in a very large way.
Thank you very much for your very intelligent insights.
I hope to hear from you again soon.

[SpiralStarz]

In my defense, I would like to say that I actually listened to the 10 minute sample rather than downloading the 30 seconds one that my fellow 'forumer' linked. I also did not expect to gain an altered state of consciousness out of simply listening to it. I own the Hemi Sync, and, perhaps, I am used to it but the 10 minute sample that I downloaded .. just tensed my mind and body, I could not relax nor concentrate. I had it on replay for, probably, a couple of hours before bed. I am also against using any substances, but that's fine since I found that the Hemi Sync does work without them. So I do have faith in sound frequencies.

I know that they work great for me and everyone else that has used them.
Litenith, maybe these frequencies are just not for you. I suggest you stop trying and stick with Monroe's work.
Maybe you are better suited for working with older technology.

[omcasey]

"Older" technology is anything external to ourselves -apologies, but this includes your sounds.  The new technology is internal to us, it IS us.  There is no need for continuing with external entrainment sounds, there is a sound that runs through the center of our very own being (entrain with this!), it is being heard already by so many -and thereby getting easier and easier to be heard by ALL.. 

[litenith]

"Older" technology is anything external to ourselves -apologies, but this includes your sounds.  The new technology is internal to us, it IS us.  There is no need for continuing with external entrainment sounds, there is a sound that runs through the center of our very own being (entrain with this!), it is being heard already by so many -and thereby getting easier and easier to be heard by ALL.. 

Are you, by any chance, referring to the squicky 'eeee' sound in my ear?

[CFTraveler]

AKA as Birm's Triangle Method?

[omcasey]

"Are you, by any chance, referring to the squicky 'eeee' sound in my ear?"

In part, yes.  But there is a reason you are hearing it as a squicky 'eeee' in your ear -there is more to it than just this.  When we 'hear' something, typically it is as though from a distance, ie: there is some degree of space, we could even say 'distinction' between ourself and what we are hearing.  If we soften, and lessen this distinction by letting a bit more of the sound in, it begins to be felt more directly throughout our field (our body) as vibration - full body vibration - until we are perfectly in sync / entrained with the sound..  It is quite pleasant, and rewarding . . Can you see where this is going? . .

[litenith]

In part, yes.  But there is a reason you are hearing it as a squicky 'eeee' in your ear -there is more to it than just this.  When we 'hear' something, typically it is as though from a distance, ie: there is some degree of space, we could even say 'distinction' between ourself and what we are hearing.  If we soften, and lessen this distinction by letting a bit more of the sound in, it begins to be felt more directly throughout our field (our body) as vibration - full body vibration - until we are perfectly in sync / entrained with the sound..  It is quite pleasant, and rewarding . . Can you see where this is going? . .

Yes. I, now, fully understand.

[CFTraveler]

And it works, I have to add.

[SpiralStarz]

So I have links for pages of experiential reports that people have written about the free download within the yahoo group... here

http://www.spiralstarz.com/salviasummaryreportsrecent.htm

(Tony's report, near the bottom of the page,  is really strange and kinda funny!)

There's also some more reports on people's experiences with the 'Altered States' tracks that the same scientist has developed.. here

http://www.spiralstarz.com/alteredstatesreportscurrent.htm

Enjoy!