Scientists research astral projections- Link

[Tom]

It is produced in the pineal gland. It does not last long, but it is very intense. It can be ingested orally if you know how to combine it with something to keep it from being inactivated by the digestive system. It is usually smoked on the tip of a cigarette with tobacco and / or marijuana. Does anyone know of an actually practical way to get the stuff? And of a way to ingest it without smoking it?

[alivie]

The late Terence McKenna has based much of career on the elf-inhabited areas accessed when smoking synthetic DMT. One of his best books,Food Of The Gods discusses these experiences in more detail.
Various tribes in the amazon ingest naturally occurring DMT in some of the plant species down there.
I cant remember off the top of my head but I think ayahusaca is one of the names of the brew they create.
Unfortunately I dont know where to get it but have heard that it can be extracted from canary grass (if you know what you're doing!!)
I am always vary of trying to make my own stuff as I'm no chemist and can't even get a simple pasta dish correct let alone my own DMT!!!

[alivie]

One final thing on DMT
McKenna has been asked if he thinks DMT is dangerous.
He said the only danger is death by amazement!!

[fredhedd]

was  he serious?

[alivie]

I think he was basically saying that its the most powerful hallucinogen on the planet and if you have never encountered LSD, psylocibin mushrooms then it may not be a good idea.
I have never tried DMT (basically because I can't get hold of the stuff-people don't seem to want it in Scotland) but whenerver I went for a big mushroom dose I fastened my seatbelt and must admit I was always scared. Once the trip got going everything was beatiful but mushrooms and DMT should both be treated with total respect.
I think the DMT experience would be fantastic but I think once I smoked the pipe the fear factor would be 100 times bigger than the OBE paralysis/vibrations ever were.
Its a different ball game to salvia divinorum!!

Here's a link:

http://www.deoxy.org/h_twha.htm

[astralmaster]

Alvie,
What would you say is McKenna's best book?
And, Have you tried Salvia D.?


David

[alivie]

McKennas best book-
For serious information on the history of the human species and mankinds relationship with plant hallucinogens then Food Of The Gods is best.
If you want a great adventure story full of UFOs, DMT sex, using sound waves/human brain/mushrooms  to shatter space and time, telepathy and the theory of mushrooms being a form of galactic intelligence then True Hallucinations does the job - if Terry Gilliam made it into a movie it would be the best film ever!!

[alivie]

Sorry, Salvia D -  smoked it once and it was OK (certainly not as potent as some hallucinogens) but I didn't try it with astral work.
I think Salvia D and  BWGEN files together may work quite well for OBE attempts and its something that everyone can try (I wouldn't recommend mushrooms to everyone!) I may buy a plant and give it  a go.

http://www.salvia-divinorum-scotland.co.uk/

[astralmaster]

Thanks Bro.


David

[albus2k]

Hello everybody,
I have recently studied about Salvia Divinorum. Is DMT the same thing as Salvia Divinorum? If not which is stronger?

I have seen that you can buy Salvia Div, pretty easily online since there are hundred of stores that sell it. How can I get ahold of some DMT? Any websites would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Albus2k

[Greytraveller]

Hi everyone at Astral Pulse.
I am new to the forum. About the subject of DMT (Di-methyl tryptamine) and it being used to induse out of body experiences. There are some 'trip reports' on Erowid.org about people experiencing astral projection while using DMT. One important detail needs to be mentioned. That is that these people experience spontaneous uncontrolled projections. They usually do not know what is happening and have no control over their experience.
   Usually DMT 'comes on' very quickly and the effects last only a few minutes (when it is smoked that is). The experiencer is normally overwhelmed by a flood of visual images and feelings. Though there might be some mental interaction with the visual 'images' there seems to be little, if any, conscious control. In any event DMT is a very strong psychedelic. For anyone adventurous enough to try it I would recomment doing some research first. Erowid.org and Lycaeum.org are both informative sites.  [][?][8D]

[link]

I have been using mind expanding plants for longer than I have been astral projecting and I have experience with DMT and 5-MEO-DMT. This is the most powerful drug I have ever taken, and one of my favorites, right next to psilocybin. The place this drug takes you is surprising and deeply psychedelic. I can tell you, because I have a lot of experience in both places, that DMT does not make you astral project in the same way that we discuss on this site. DMT allows you to experience a different reality. The receptors that are taking in "reality juice" seritonin, are now receiving DMT. DMT is structurally similar to seritonin. There is no way to prepare yourself for this sudden shift in reality. I'm terrified every time. But it's human food and I love it!

[Shawn McCaffrey]

I think that using these drugs just to AP is like cheating and I would never.  Just a thought.

[Amber]

I agree! Cheaters!!!
I thought the whole point to OOBE's is that you can break the parameters of perception without having to ingest harmful substances that give you short lived visions of fantastic worlds that you have absolutely no control over. Not to mention the hangovers...

Just my .02

[micron]

quote:Originally posted by Amber

I agree! Cheaters!!!
I thought the whole point to OOBE's is that you can break the parameters of perception without having to ingest harmful substances that give you short lived visions of fantastic worlds that you have absolutely no control over. Not to mention the hangovers...

Just my .02

Im sorry but i think your comment was all too typical of people who haven't a clue. First of all what makes you think its harmful? People need to realize that just because something is a drug, doesnt mean its harmful! DRUGS SAVE LIVES! But god forbid they change your perception of reality! And as for cheating? Do you see the hypocracy in that statement? We are all on this board trying to induce something that naturally occurs in our sleep...if your worried about "cheating" you might wanna do something else with your time.
Go call Shamans or Depak Chopra a cheater as he materializes statue of himself in front of your eyes while smoking the herb. Open your mind.

[fredhedd]

i agree w/ micron.  especially because lsd is what brought me here.  i have only used it a few times but the experiences were the most life altering i've ever had.  my life has changed completely and for the better.  certain drugs, if not all, are tools and handled the right way could greatly benefit you.  obviously i'm not saying all drugs are great, but i have never seen the problem w/ trying everything once.  i'm sure there will be opposing opinions.  expanding your consciousness is proving to be a slow and difficult road.  doing any type of drug gives you a small taste of what you can achieve naturally.  i've tried a few things but that's all.  when i did end up trying things it wasn't until i was about twenty one.  i've found that whatever i have experienced in the past while under the influence of anything, i can now reproduce while meditating.  the trance state has wonderous possibilities.

[Leftypilot79]

Hi guys,

Just thought I would add some food for thought here. These people aren't cheating..having these experiences is a good thing. It gives them something to remember....and oh boy do they remember it. :)It allows them to gain experience in a way that you can't when your stone cold sober. Well..with that experience they hopefully recaputre some of that feeling of being on mushrooms or whatever....and then turn that into a actual projection or phasing experience. I still vividly remember the last time I did mushrooms which was about 2yrs ago.I still can feel the overwhelming sense of connectedness we all have, and just PUL for everyone. It was a positive eye opening experience for me.
Now they are coming out with things like BWEGN...and TMI (which has been around awhile) which can alter your conciousness just as well. And the great thing about it is you can bring your self into that state even after using hemi-sync. Oh....this was the connection that I wanted to draw that I forgot to mention earlier. Someone mentioned (I think Frank) Hemi-sync was like training wheels on your bike. You need them at 1st until you can do it on your own. Well..I kinda think of mind altering drugs along the same line. Its a good way to experience it 1st hand, and then go back and recreate that feeling. Hope that helped.

aaron

[PeacefulWarrior]

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2791&SearchTerms=dmt

[micron]

Fred and Lefty

I totally agree with you both. Thats why i made the post. It was my experimenting with LSD that brought me to where i am now. I wouldnt take it back for anything. If your a believer that we're here on earth to gain knowledge through experience i dont see how you can call anything "cheating" or even bad. good or bad everything is an experience which leads to first hand knowledge. ok im done

[elijah_levi]

Hello, I'm new here so let me introduce myself.....:}

I'm quite expirienced in this field.
Salvia is safe to the best of my knowledge, even though it has not been thoroughly tested in the lab, mushrooms are safe, as well as lsd.

DMT on the other hand can cause heart failure!!! If you plan on using it please be careful. If you are not sure then please do not use it. I've heard many horror stories and have had many friends who have had horrible effects from it.

I also have another post in this forum. Please look at it and try to help me out. I would be soooo thankful.

[Leyla]

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt.shtml

It's not like acid, it's not like mushrooms, it's not even like peyote.
This stuff doesn't make you hallucinate-it actually triggers real astral projections and contact with spiritual beings of a high level.

There are stories posted that floored me.

Note: DMT is a naturally occuring chemical already found in our brain. Increasing the amount causes astral projections and the doctors are fascinated.

I'm not sure if I'll ever take it or not, but it's great they finally found the brain chemical that causes projections- because now researchers are studying it. We may have scientific proof on the way!