RTZ vs Astral Reality

[Xanth]

So as most of you know, if you've been reading much of what I've been posting... I'm on the fence as to the objective existence of what is commonly referred to as the "RTZ".
I'm curious and wish to toss this question out to the projectors...

How do you guys reconcile the differences between the RTZ and what some might consider an "astral" look-a-like of a familiar environment (say, your bedroom).
For example, if one has a false awakening... would you consider that a RTZ projection?  Or perhaps just a straight up dream instead?

Ideas?  Thoughts?

[AlanRK]

I'm a bit definition-impaired; what's RTZ?

[Pauli2]

False awakening is an F 22 experience.

A RTZ OBE is an exit from a Monroe Focus Level as close to the physical as possible (F 10 or F 12) where you need to start with a huge amount of non-physical energy (you usually get vibrations as your energy is accumulated prior to RTZ exit), to exit into the RTZ which is _not_ the natural environment for the non-physical body. The non-physical energy is needed to overcome some "non-astral" features of the RTZ. The closer to the physical you start the less energy you will have lost on OBE exit. So going from F 12 to RTZ is probably easier than going from F 27 to RTZ.

And now. I just have to have that OBE...

[NoY]

I'm a bit definition-impaired; what's RTZ?

Real Time Zone

basically an energy copy of the earth like your energy body is a copy of you

:NoY:

[Xanth]

False awakening is an F 22 experience.

Well, that's really the crux of what I'm wondering.
Is an "RTZ" projection, perhaps really just a Focus 22 experience...
I'm just wanting to get some wide ranging opinions on it... to see what others have experienced and if it's reconcilable.

[Naykid]

I don't really think about it, but the one thing I have noticed is I use my left hand consistently if I have a conscious exit, but I'm right handed.   

[personalreality]

that is the nature of the RTZ (i've been referring to it as the Here-Now because of this book I'm reading).  It is based on physical reality but it is influenced by the person perceiving it.  i would say that the two places you describe are the same place viewed at different times from different emotional states.

[EscapeVelocity]

imo they are differing energy-states by frequency and it's dependant on me/the perceiver and what part of the spectrum I'm choosing to focus on. I find that RTZ/etheric obes are much slower, 'heavier' and energy-intensive than say, a F22 obe. Night and day difference. Phasing feels much more 'mental'. So maybe as we move up the Focus levels our perspective gradually changes from etheric to astral/emotional to mental and so on...

[CFTraveler]

So as most of you know, if you've been reading much of what I've been posting... I'm on the fence as to the objective existence of what is commonly referred to as the "RTZ".
I'm curious and wish to toss this question out to the projectors...

I'll answer the question the way I see it, as usual.

How do you guys reconcile the differences between the RTZ and what some might consider an "astral" look-a-like of a familiar environment (say, your bedroom).

I consider the content or purpose of the experience to determine 'where' I am.  If I exit into my room and suddenly enter into some sort of lesson- for example, a dweller experience that repeats, incongruous items that have symbolic meaning, or some sort of visitation in which I'm instructed about something, I'd consider it an astral simulation, that is, not strictly an RTZ projection.
If I exit and fly around, go through something, and see what's outside 'in real time' or as close as possible, I consider it RTZ.

For example, if one has a false awakening... would you consider that a RTZ projection?  Or perhaps just a straight up dream instead?

Ideas?  Thoughts?

Depends on the contents, again.  If I get up and have my hand go through the toaster, then it's an RTZ projection.  If I turn on the light, make toast and then wake up again it's a dream (astral).
That's how I see it.

[Volgerle]

I had so far only one full-blown RTZ-projection (where everything looked like on the physical plane). And yes, I can say it "felt" a bit different. "A bit" is an understatement. I was not in a body then but just a point of consciousness. I had a strange high vibrating voice somehow when talking to myself.
And before that I had extremely hard vibrations. Almost like electrical thrusts and jolts being chased through my whole body, mainly the torso. I still wonder today why I did not panic then. Still, I am now happy that I never experienced this with other types of projections again.  

Many people do manage some good verifications, so I think that RTZ or the "etheric plane" is indeed an "energy copy" - and a reliable one, it's like a mirror that is reflected from the physical or so. You can also view events in "real time" for verification. But still, I think it is a "plane" of its own - only narrowly entangled with what we call 'the physical'.

Then I had lots of what I call 'lucid dream projections' (I think it is referred to as Monroe's Focus 22 here?) or some 'soft-vibration hypnagoic exits' into "my room" that at first also looked like the physical one, but later it changed and got mixed up with reality fluctuations, own thought forms, probably dream images together with decreasing lucidity, reintegration with some false awakenings before that ... ya know, the whole bag ...  
That's why I do not think that this was a kind of 'RTZ'. Or only at the beginning (?).

Now, the third and current type is different again. I am more (as it seems) into immediate mental projections from a dreamscape (simulation) now. So I do not see any RTZ-like environments any longer. At the moment, I do not miss it, btw.

[AlanRK]

Hm, I must be one of the few who has been in RTZ (near-physical) quite a lot? I have no problem looking into and observing the physical as well as people in it.

[Xanth]

I've had, I guess, what some would call a true RTZ projection.  It's really only happened once.
It was an experience that lasted roughly 8 - 10 seconds, and I remember every bit of it.
I remember it being very hard to control myself... I initially felt my arms float up towards the ceiling, then the rest of me followed, all of this was in total blackness.  Then, my sight "turned on".  I guess I opened my non-physical eyes.  LoL

Anyway... there was literally no difference between that and my other non-physical experiences, other than it was hard to control my body.

Hence, I'm left on the fence as to the experience.

[CFTraveler]

Hm, I must be one of the few who has been in RTZ (near-physical) quite a lot? I have no problem looking into and observing the physical as well as people in it.

I used to do it all the time, for years.  Then I started going through walls and ending up other places (astral scapes).  At some point I couldn't go to the RTZ, and when I decided to stay in my room (because I'm stubborn) I started to get vortexes and tubes and would get sucked into astral scapes.
Now I just get the scapes, and possibly mental experiences (precog visions and stuff like that) and the ocassional short projection when I think it's not going to happen anymore.

[grzazek]

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[Volgerle]

At some point I couldn't go to the RTZ, and when I decided to stay in my room (because I'm stubborn) I started to get vortexes and tubes and would get sucked into astral scapes.
Now I just get the scapes, and possibly mental experiences ...

Something similar must (have) happen(ed) to me now. What do you think is the reason? We cannot control it ourselves, do we? Do you think it is a kind of progress ('evolving' from astral to purley mental plane projections?).

[CFTraveler]

I think it's just a function of evolution.  For whatever reason, it's now what we have to learn in that venue.
IMO.

[djed]

I thought RTZ was a musical group, and of course it is. But also it is a term ' Real Time Zone' that is being used to explain the first stages of projecting for most people, where you are just floating around your bedroom or venturing outside in your neighborhood.

Here is quite a good description written by someone else.

When you find yourself out of body from using an Astral Projection technique, you might find yourself in the real-time zone. It can be described as a dimension that lies more close to our own reality. It's not a strange place like some of the other astral dimensions can exhibit.

When you begin to explore your surroundings you may find that it looks almost the same as your physical world. But you may find that some things don't add up. You may find furniture in your house that does not belong there, and other things might be missing or have changed places, this is called reality fluctuations. This is nothing to worry about so don't pay too much attention to this.

Since this place is so close to our physical world you can explore every aspect of it. You can go anywhere simply by the power of your thoughts. Fly up into the air and through the clouds, you can go even further out and observe our planet from orbit. There is really not limit to where you can go; you can break any speed barriers since the speed of thought is infinite! Just be sure you have learned to control your astral body or otherwise you might blast yourself out from the solar system or even further out.


Staying in the Real-time zone can be difficult if you are new to Astral Projection. You should try some energy building techniques before you begin your Astral Projection attempts. This will increase the energy to your real-time body and will increase your available time there. (acknowledgements to  Karl Sewon)