Seeing through eyelids

[smooth]

hey patrik,

you were saying that when you thinking of cats more apeard right? it kinda sounds like you are see through your astral eyes. next time you can see through you eye lids think hard i wont my sight to be clear. also next time piture your self swaying back in forth and maybe if you close to obe you might "pop out". well good luck

[Patrik]

smooth,

Not really... I suddenly started to see through my eyelids, and when doing that and I saw my room there was also a cat on the floor. I used to "feel" a cat in bed when I began practising projection and trance. If I had a cat I would have been 100% certain that was it. I think it stopped around the time I began using conjurations, not sure...

Anyhow, haven't felt any cats for a long time now, and forgotten about it. But then I saw the cat on the floor, and it just reminded me of when I used to feel a cat during AP attempts. I am sure (at least the new cats) are subconcious, but I didn't conciously think of them. I was looking at the one cat which was there, and then more came...

As the two more cats appeared I also started to "loose myself" and become unconcious. I became more unconcious, and colors started appearing slowly. Then I suddenly was in my old house, and I was in a full dream.

I was fully concious and slowly started to become unconcious when the two new cats appeared.

I have been thinking, everytime I have seen sight like this (i.e. dark, night-ish etc) I have not moved my head. Perhaps I partially split, but since I was still inside the body, the eyelids was still effecting me and made me see it "dark" ? Would perhaps explain why I so easily entered a dream. If I was partially split, and still in body and feeling tired I could easily fall into a full dream. Just a thought... Perhaps it was real-time sight and not even close to splitting... It didn't feel like a dream though... And when I fell into one when this happened, it wasn't even connected to me seeing my room...

It's still weird though... I guess I can only hope for it to occure more, and eventually figure it out.

Thanks.

[ralphm]

patric, I think your experience was more in the dreamtime/astal because i have come awake with my eyes open and what I experienced was more chaos than anything dreamlike.

[Patrik]

ralphm,

To clarify, my eyes wasn't open, they were shut. I just saw "through" them. And when doing this I was fully concious. I was well aware that I was on my bed, I was aware I was looking through my eyes and thoughts like "is this real, or just my imagination?" appears. Except from the last time this happened (mentioned in this post) I have not entered a dream when this happens. I am in bed awake, look into the darkness... It clears up and I see my room. Perhaps 15-20 seconds goes by (except from the bed thing, which lasted longer) and then my sight is normal, and I am fully awake in bed.

It's like when you lay in bed meditating or entering a trance. You look into the darkness, fully aware and concious. Only that the darkness clears up and you see the room and "things" in the room.

[Patrik]

When I began practising projection I after a month or so, a few times by accident I came to see "through" my eyelids. This was explained as real-time sight by Robert Bruce in his book, and something one could stumble on. When this happened it was just like watching through the regular eyes, room was normal except from a few minor changes (like no bed cover).

Only a few posts down I explained something similar, though with the difference that I was actually "there" felt my body as real as physical. I was told that I split, and the last time when feeling body I think that is a good explaination. I was 100% concious, felt body, and it sure wasn't a dream/LD.

However this morning something else happened which makes me even more confused. I woke up very tired, felt I could drift into sleep very quickly (not like the above, when I felt quite awake). However I did know I was in bed, and I looked into the darkness of my eyes. Then all of a sudden I could see through them again!


The thing that connects the real-time sight experience, the question a few posts down and this is that I had the same "kind" of sight. I.e. "grey" or "night". The experience a few posts down was fully clear, however this was a little blurry. Still I knew I was in bed, I looked at the blackness and slowly I began to see through them, still knowing I was in bed.

I then saw a cat on my bedroom floor. I was thinking "hmm... perhaps that is the cat I was feeling in my bed for about 1,5 months when first started trying to project" or something to that extent (I was sure I had a cat "running" around in bed at that time .

But then with that thought two more cats suddenly appeared, I was concious when this happened but "drifting" (not as clear as post below). So two more cats kind of made "sense". And then all of a sudden I was in a dream, full color and not in my bedroom at all... I was laying in bed in a room of my old house. And it turned into a normal unconcious dream.


Lots of text... but what on earth is this!? Is that I see real? Is it made up by my mind entirely? Is it a mix of them? Before the two extra cats appeared and I started to loose conciousnes, the sight was the normal "greyish", "nighttime", "looking through eyes" thing. When the other two cats appeared, it slowly got "color" and my conciousnes began fading...

Sorry for all the posts regarding the similar thing, but this is really starting to confuse me...