Seeing with eyes closed?

kromeknight · July 02, 2003, 06:29:17

Hello Celtic magick
Sounds like classic OB vision to me. Your lucky in a way because it would be easyer for you to sit up in astral form because you now know your obe. Where as others like myself move or roll to test if we are when attempting to project
Well done and good luck

kozzi · July 02, 2003, 07:00:36

That has happened to me as well, and now I feel like I can almost make it happen when I'm lying down at night... especially if I'm very tired. I believe it's referred to as hypnogogic imagery, and is believed to not be real. However, I've been able to see the room I'm in at the time. The weird thing is that when I open my eyes to check, the image of the room is not in the same position or from the same angle as seen with my eyes closed. I've also seen the night sky from my bed. I love this one, because I'm infatuated with stars and the night sky. Actually, the first time I saw something with my eyes closed it was the night sky and stars. I even saw an airplane as if "zoomed in" on it and the lights were blinking.

Kozzi

Kalonek · July 02, 2003, 07:56:03

What you describe happened to me a few times while meditating in my bed a few times just before going asleep. But it was more progressive, little by little i was able to see my room in black and grey around me, but not very clearly (as it was at night). It also happens often when i made a bad attempt of OBE, i miss my exit and just stay a few seconds (from 5 to 20) half in my body with a perfect view of everything around me.

Terry B · July 02, 2003, 08:03:04

Sounds like classic obe vision to me too. When having this kind of vision, it is quite normal not to see in normal angle (probably your astral self in different alignment from your physical self). It is also quite normal to see even though there are something like sleep screen blocking your eye. Once, I was rotated 180 degree and my vision went from normal position to viewing from my feet position. And moving away from my body.

kromeknight · July 02, 2003, 08:03:07

Hello Kozzi and everyone else
I might be wrong but there are a few differents with astral vision, OBE sight and hypnogogic imagery. I'll try and explain with my experiences and opinion but note the above diclaimer.
Astral vision which I get often while attempting to project is were a moving picture opens in the black void behind closed eye lids not a dream but a tunnel forms and at the end is a crystal clear 'live' location, the tunnel is surounded by shifting clouds of colours or what I think is the dream/hypnogic imagery and it's here that the mind dwells but if you can move your consciousness down the tunnel your AP/obe. Obe vision for me is as clear if not clearer than the physical, but I have only awakened in obe to experience this sight, the times I have had conscious seperations I couldn't or didn't open my 'eyes' (with two exceptions, seeing my own aura from within) but that's all my opinion and I'm still learning everytime I log on. I am great at visualisation but there is no comparison to the real thing IMO [

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Let me know what you all think so I can stand corrected and not delude myself [

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kozzi · July 02, 2003, 11:07:20

That's interesting KromeKnight, because most of the star visions I have are like that: I feel as if I am moving toward the vision, and the vision is really clear, and as if it were at the end of a tunnel. Strange

Kozzi

Kalonek · July 02, 2003, 11:11:40

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Originally posted by kromeknightAstral vision which I get often while attempting to project is were a moving picture opens in the black void behind closed eye lids not a dream but a tunnel forms and at the end is a crystal clear 'live' location, the tunnel is surounded by shifting clouds of colours or what I think is the dream/hypnogic imagery and it's here that the mind dwells but if you can move your consciousness down the tunnel your AP/obe. Obe vision for me is as clear if not clearer than the physical

Your totally right on the whole thing kromeknight. Astral vision, when get fully, is much better than our actual vision, much clear and vivid, and much wider on the left and the right. You usually get it whilst OBEing. I got the same tunnel thing with white clouds (for me) and the image appears then. It has nothing to do with hypnagogic images. But also without leaving your body you can use it directly, like i explained while meditating, you can see a little through your eye lids but it's still dark and without colors.

kozzi · July 02, 2003, 11:30:16

Guys... you're not thinking about the fact that scientists don't know anything about AP, OBE, or LD. Hypnagogic imagery refers to anything seen clearly or not, but around the time of sleep... here's the definition from a medical health website:

Hypnagogic imagery (-hallucinations)

Vivid sensory images occurring at sleep onset but particularly vivid with sleep-onset REM periods; feature of narcoleptic REM naps.

so, not to get technical, but yes... they would consider any of these experiences we are having as being hypnagogic. We disagree with the scientists, because we have varying experiences. However, science does not accept study of what they consider "hallucination". To them it's "taboo", and would be considered pseudo science.

Kozzi

kozzi · July 02, 2003, 11:33:01

sorry, I didn't mean to sound like I was saying "I told you so"... just wanted to clarify that I don't agree with the term's broad use either, but our medicine and science have not quite tapped the mind just yet.

Kozzi

jason · July 02, 2003, 12:48:50

that happened to me once.it was so wierd that it shocked me out of it right away.I saw the lamp hanging of the cieling just like I would if I had my eyes open,only there was something whirling around,like a wierd creature or something.I've even heard of some yogis being able to see w/any part of their body-fingertips,etc...

Kalonek · July 02, 2003, 12:52:46

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Originally posted by kozziVivid sensory images occurring at sleep

Yep kozzi you're right, but i use it in opposite to astral sight images [

] Btw, it's said "occuring at sleep", but what about if i'm totally aware of my body and everything but it occurs ? [

] But i understand your point, and i agree. We should make a new jargon hehe

kromeknight · July 02, 2003, 16:49:10

Hey Everyone
This is what I love about these forums you get to put in your two cents and collectively we learn something new and grow from it.[

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scientist have defined what the mind creacts eg dreams, imagination, Hypnagogic imagery (-hallucinations). It's hard to seperate all these because as we go through the different stages to AP/obe we are using and encountering most of them. But when we are obe we are using words not really defined under science. Kalonek cool idea about new wording. Maybe sole sight when we're obe !

NPerez · July 03, 2003, 02:46:48

Yes! this is exactly what happened to me a couple days ago. What I wanna know is, where do I take it from there? I've seen the room I'm in and I've been looking up at trees, should something happen automatically or should I be doing something? I will keep trying, this has given me a nice boost in confidence that I can do this

kromeknight · July 03, 2003, 05:29:35

Hello Nperez
There are so many great threads that can help you in knowledge and tips to get the best experience while ob. A good way to start is to use the search option and read past threads.If you can gain a good foundation and know what to expect it will be much earsier in the long run. I found Donna's post and tried it and had great results eg at the end of the tunnel I saw a bright light, like a beacon shine from left to right it was so bright I had to blink my eyes.I haven't done all the ground work that she has and couldn't move all the way down the tunnel to arrive at the location. but you guys can see through your eye lids so all you have to do either think of floating up or a location you want to be at or even just sit up as you would normaly do. Try everything your own way so you know what works for you. Here's the link that started me off really knowing what I was experiencing you will find others that will help you in your situations. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=&TOPIC_ID=2315
good luck

celticmagick909 · July 02, 2003, 05:46:18

Seeing with my eyes closed.This has happened to me on more than one occasion. For example, I remember it was probally about a year ago in my old house out in the boonies a lil' bit out of town. I was lying on my side on a couch in the living room and I started to doze off and than wake up, for I would be disturbed occasionally by birds chriping etc. Well at one point I remember just losing all train of thought, and then I remember seeing everything that was in front of me, but in a different tone, I guess you could say? Everything wasn't quite in focus either, and, I also remember not being able to look around actually I don't think I wanted to look around cause I was so comfortable.

Has anyone else ever had an expierence like this? Is it astral related in anyway perhaps? This used to happen kinda often, but it hasn't been lately since I haven't been a very good astral traveler, and try, and have an O.B.E. I guess things are slowing down for a while, and I need to catch my bearings. But that's another story. So if anyone has any suggestions of what this might be. Please share. [

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