Seeking Proof in Near-Death Claims

[Fresco]

Interesting WSJ article: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304248704575574193494074922.html

The fact the hospital had done this (suspended pictures from the ceilings in emergency-care areas) tells me they must have gotten a lot of NDE accounts from patients

At 18 hospitals in the U.S. and U.K., researchers have suspended pictures, face up, from the ceilings in emergency-care areas. The reason: to test whether patients brought back to life after cardiac arrest can recall seeing the images during an out-of-body experience.

People who have these near-death experiences often describe leaving their bodies and watching themselves being resuscitated from above, but verifying such accounts is difficult. The images would be visible only to people who had done that.

"We've added these images as objective markers," says Sam Parnia, a critical-care physician and lead investigator of the study, which hopes to include 1,500 resuscitated patients. Dr. Parnia declined to say whether any have accurately described the images so far, but says he hopes to report preliminary results next year.

The study, coordinated by Southampton University's School of Medicine in England, is one of the latest and largest scientific efforts to understand the mystery of near-death experiences.

At least 15 million American adults say they have had a near-death experience, according to a 1997 survey—and the number is thought to be rising with increasingly sophisticated resuscitation techniques

[Volgerle]

It is not the first time that someone tries this.

P. v. Lommel, physician and scientist from the Netherlands has already done a project with markers and pictures. I think the test is also still ongoing.

The problem I see here: why should I pay attention to a marker or picture when I watch "from the outside" the clinic staff trying to resucitate me? It is hardly conceivable that the patients will do this.

[Fresco]

It is not the first time that someone tries this.

P. v. Lommel, physician and scientist from the Netherlands has already done a project with markers and pictures. I think the test is also still ongoing.

The problem I see here: why should I pay attention to a marker or picture when I watch "from the outside" the clinic staff trying to resucitate me? It is hardly conceivable that the patients will do this.

I agree, they wouldnt.  In fact it would be the last thing on their mind.

Anyways, nice to see a fellow 'Nederlander' on this forum.  Cheers

[Volgerle]

I agree, they wouldnt.  In fact it would be the last thing on their mind.

Anyways, nice to see a fellow 'Nederlander' on this forum.  Cheers

oh, sorry but I'm not, I just knew about van Lommel, but am not Dutch myself.
But hey, ... at least I'm European, too:

[personalreality]

I've tried to put a tarot card on top of my fridge to view ooh, but it never worked.  The few times I made it to the fridge the card wasn't there or it wasn't a card (blank piece of paper, a dagger and a candle were some of the other shapes the card took.  It was the magician for the latter two and the hanged man for the former).

[Volgerle]

yeah, the reality test card trick .. it can make you mad , I gave up trying now, too many fluctuations
Once I read a word instead on the card , it said "contort" (I know distort and would have understood that in this context. ) Why "contort"? A message from my higher self? But what does contort mean in this context? Anyone any ideas (sorry for hijacking the thread with this now).

[Fresco]

oh, sorry but I'm not, I just knew about van Lommel, but am not Dutch myself.
But hey, ... at least I'm European, too:

Ah okay, Volgerle sounds Dutch or German

I've tried to put a tarot card on top of my fridge to view ooh, but it never worked.  The few times I made it to the fridge the card wasn't there or it wasn't a card (blank piece of paper, a dagger and a candle were some of the other shapes the card took.  It was the magician for the latter two and the hanged man for the former)

That would explain the failed successes in the operating room tests.

For anyone thats ever had an OBE there can be little doubt, so proof is not really needed for me anyways

[justin35ll]

card tricks always been hard. I've tried it about 3 -4 times. The closest I came was I saw a red 7 of hearts, but in reality it was a red 7 of diamonds.