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Originally posted by MajorTom
I think it's important not to be judgemental about it, and not make it into too much of a problem.
Too much guilt will make tehse experiences happen, since after all, you're focus will continue to be on these experiences whether through guilt or the sexual sensations themselves.
You're probably at a point where these experiences occur, without going through with them, and forcing yourself to pull away from them. That scnario will continue to play tself until finding a more permanent solution.
I think it's important to realize that these experiences come about through thoughts - and these thoughts also occur in daily life - albeit with less intensity. Find some resolution to these thoughts in daily life, and you will find a resolution while OBE.
In my case, it meant a lot of sex with my wife, as I learned how to divert all my sexual thoughts in one direction rather than have my sexual energy scattered all over the place. Cahnges during OBE naturally followed.
It's something you choose to do, but not out of guilt.
Major Tom, Tayesin, Mikeman & all others .!.
Thank -u- all for u'r interest.!!
Tayesin, I'd like to learn more 'bout core issue removals. Is it more a physiological issue? As I said I know I need to learn to accept the cards I've been dealt.
Do -u- Remote View? If so do -u- mind my asking who & with what, conjures up the low vibes?
Jacks writings, could -u- give me a link to that?[:)]
Mikeman, Sorry 'bout u'r Grandfather. It's simply amazing that -u- can keep in touch with him, thru assertion of two mindz. ( Aunts & u'rs ) very cool! Do let me know the answer to my question, if -u- find it out.!? [8)][;)]
MajorTom,
You must know, I like to ponder & ask lotz'a questions???
As far as sexually frustrated,I appreciate u'r humor! I think it was more of a brain pattern. Once I learned how I didn't want to stop, till I had a reason.!.[8)]
I don't feel too guilty! I just don't like the spirituality ( reality) check I gave myself, when I found out what plane I had put myself on.
If I'd known that it would've put me on a lower astral plane. I wouldn't have done it.I also would've understood why I don't feel like I was accomplishing all that I could do in my life! Until recently ( this forum ) I thought ( I was gifted ) but mostly that something was wrong with me.
I can't help but wonder if someone or thing has purposely put me in that vibration, in fear that I would succeed. Not just myself, everyone's most successful attribute. ( Dumbing Down Society )
I could take this into a religious discussion, I think that's best left unsaid. For now!
I've learned when u'r spirit has low vibration, it seeps in to u'r physical world & affects one physically also. Please don't think I'm being cocky. I can't tell -u- how many times people have given me opportunity. And I said No! Because I didn't want to be put on a pedestal. So in other wordz, I thought, prayed, lived, as I could move mountains. Then on my way to the top, I'd fall thinking I couldn't, or something would happen to eject me from that position??? My fault, yes because of my decisions. I can't be blamed for what I didn't know though.( So reaching,,, ) sort of a Louis Pasteur, invisible enemy "The Value Of Believing In Yourself"??? Things that make ya go hummmmmm.!? Whatcha all think???
TTFN, Comp[;)]
keep in mind that Robert Bruce is not some all knowing OBE master.... his viewpoints and observatiosn aren't any more valid than anyone elses... and well....
i don't even think there is an rtz right now, or astral planes, etc.....
i'd love to be proved wrong.
but if you make a habit out of having tons of sex all the time, you'll probably have more "normal" dream/projection envrionments, so that you can find normal people to sleep with...
i think that's about all there is to it.
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Originally posted by holy reality
keep in mind that Robert Bruce is not some all knowing OBE master.... his viewpoints and observatiosn aren't any more valid than anyone elses... and well....
i don't even think there is an rtz right now, or astral planes, etc.....
i'd love to be proved wrong.
but if you make a habit out of having tons of sex all the time, you'll probably have more "normal" dream/projection envrionments, so that you can find normal people to sleep with...
i think that's about all there is to it.
keep in mind that Robert Bruce is not some all knowing OBE master.... his viewpoints and observations aren't any more valid than anyone Else's... and well...."
-U- say??? and well what?!? I'm not sure if that's meant to say that I follow by the tail of just anyone!!? I realize -u- don't know who I am. If I've missunderstood -u-, I apoligize ahead of time.!. But have -u- done u'r homework on this man??? The man has a solid reputation, 1981 he won the Nobel Prize in chemistry. For work that he'd done in the 50's & 60's. Dr. merrifield has revolutionized the manufacture of the drugs that u'rs & my loved ones probably use.
( pure speculation )I'm guessing that a few, of the many reasons he chose to move a bit more towards Einstein is to prove himself wrong??? secondly; to support people like me!!! finally ; Also to prove to the majority of his audience that don't believe him ( Scientist's... ) that someone with the highest of credential's believes, and has done his homework. -n- continues too! 'xcuse me for putting -u- in a category, -u- made a cowboy call, judgment that this man doesn't know more than any of the others. Without doing u'r homework!
Do a Google search on Robert Bruce Merrifield, 9,090 search results, not all him though, but most! I certainly don't worship the man, I admire his bravery!!! This subject is a touchy matter, it takes a very smart man to not let others hold him back. Yet still follow his knowledge to one of the solution's!!!
Maybe that's what'z holding -u- back from believing, you're judging before -u- get a clear answer.?? Maybe it's a simple thought for -u-, no harm meant??? I grew up learning from others, older, wiser than I, individual's. Though I may question how they got there, fine! A certain amount of respect is due for their accomplishments. I don't make accusation's or assumption's of their self identity.
" but if you make a habit out of having tons of sex all the time, you'll probably have more "normal" dream/projection environments, so that you can find normal people to sleep with..."
I bet -u- like slap stick humor? How do -u- know I don't have sex all the time?!? I'm married so that means my husband & I are exhausted @ bed time.!. Thank -u- for u'r solution, however It's not sexual tension I started having Sexual astral Projection's before I had lost my virginity! Since I've been married, 5 yrs I wont allow the sx. OBE.
For me: astral projections are a real thing, I've done the process of elimination, don't trust that, look @ other posting's see what they say. Have -u- ever heard, " If you hear something more than once, from two different sources. Then it's probably true.
The Art of Learning:
Suppose a total stranger approached -u- eith this proposition:
Sir, I offer -u- a machine that can guarantee -u- success. Light, portable, requiring no electricity or batteries, it will gather all the facts -u- want on any given subject, weigh the evidence, & arrive @ a sound decision. Properly maintained, it will investigate anything -u- with, keep permanent file of every bit of info. it collects, tote up figures, provide profitable insights & render precise judgments. It will build up u'r vocabulary, teach -u- anything -u- want to know, & warn -u- of impending dangers. With it, -u- can win the admiration of u'r fellows, predict the future with an astonishing degree of accuracy & avoid many of the pitfalls of life. It will enable -u- to sit @ the feet of wise men long dead, communicate with those -u- can't see, learn from the mistakes of others. It weighs three pounds & it's free!"
Would -u- accept?
Probably not, first reaction would be There must be a catch somewhere.
This startling prop. is, in a since, made to all of us @ the time of birth... u'r brain!!!
Scientists long ago studied the possibility of duplicating the human brain, using electronic equipment. They caught to make a mechanical brain that could do the same a human brain could.
What waz the result?
They discovered that if they used radio tubes & wires & mechanical parts, it would require a machine as tall as Rockefeller Center in New York & as large in area as the "Cow Palace" in San Francisco. It would take the power of Nigara Falls to run it, & Niagara's rushing waters to keep it from overheating. And even then, one three-pound brain ( like yours ) could still do things the machine could not!!!
We only know 10% of the use of our brains. Question??? Do -u- still think we are the only plain out there???
Thank-z-, Complexette
P..... don't vote Bush???
S.... don't vote Kerri.!! he'll change his mind as much as -u- do[;)]!!! he,he,he!!!
P.S. Good night [:O]
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Originally posted by MajorTom
I'm utterly confused.
I don't think that the robert bruce from astral dynamics ever got the Nobel prize. He can have it, but there's no category for OBE's :)
Think there's some name confusion here, or perhaps it's just me.
Type in sexual astral projection, I used yahoo search engine, go # 12 called astral sex.!.
Ya know I got to thinking 'bout it , It could be that Holy & I could be talking 'bout different Robert Bruces???
Major Tom, I am a little confused here too. I think Complexette wrote that he won his Nobel prize for chemistry under the name of Robert Bruce Merrifield. Perhaps we are not all on the same page here. I don't think Robert Bruce of Astraldynamics, and Robert Bruce Merrifield are the same person. Although I certainly could be wrong.
Robert Bruce Merrifield was born and has lived in the USA all his life. He won the Nobel Prize for chemistry in 1984. He currently teaches chemistry at Rockefeller University, He is 83 years old. This is quite a different Robert Bruce, Complexette.
Heh! This should be renamed the confusion thread. [:)]
Anyway, back to sexual OBE's, I have some thoughts.
Personally, I don't think sexual OBE's are innately bad in themselves, nor do I think Robert Bruce meant that they were. The reason that sexual OBE's are laregely to be avoided is simply a matter of goal.
Vibrational level refers to expansion of consciousness, which is the same as expansion of awareness. Simply put, how can your awareness expand if it is 'in the gutter' all the time? Don't get me wrong, sexual awareness and spontaneity is part of expanded awareness, as is the full range of spontaneous expression and communion, however as awareness expands to include higher vibrations then obviously sexual awareness will become a smaller and smaller part of yourself, at least sex as tied to physical reproduction. Conversely, the more we think of sex, only sex, well, obviously the less expanded we are, ultimately possibly degrading into the narrowness of obsession. That is the sexual trap in a nutshell.
Fortunately, spiritual joining and union in Bliss will become more and more a part of your journey, up until the big 'joining the light', or so I understand it. So, my advice is not to sweat it, to re-think your spiritual practice (if you have one) of meditation, trance energy work, prayer and such, to seek your highest expression by doing the highest good in the life that God has given you, through the OBE and spiritual awareness that God has shown you.
Looked at in this light, I feel that you will have to 'give-up' nothing, though there may be some occasions where you will have to weigh indulgence of counter-urges to your greatest good, to decide if they are really appropriate to the 'Now' or not. On other occasions, I'm sure sexual OBE's will be spontaneous and appropriate. Here, it sounds like you are right on track. [:)]
The spiritual journey is all about integration with the divine. In this way we realize our spiritual dimension, but neither should we feel we must forsake our physical body (nature will dispose of it in due time, naturally). After all, it is an integration of body, mind and spirit. God does not show us delights simply to torture us, they are certainly there to enjoy. However, we are in charge of our destiny, and we will often find ourselves testing ourselves with these things, to see if we are on track with what we really discern as our greatest good.
One other thing, the ability to OBE is not necessarily a mark of grace in itself. I personally have known a couple of people who could OBE who were, frankly, grumpy and opinionated! For the most part, it does take a bit of 'spiritual' development to do, such as discipline, will, and intent, but this really says little about what vibrational level a person is at. THAT is all about expansion of consciousness. Also, I have known of many people of vastly expanded consciousness, who could not OBE.
OBE is not necessarily expanded consciousness. What it really is is an altered consciousness. Through trance, you are directly able to perceive the spiritual realm. It is an incredible opportunity and tool for self exploration and development, and the exploration of psychic worlds. It is the next evolution of humanity.
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Originally posted by innerpilot
Robert Bruce Merrifield was born and has lived in the USA all his life. He won the Nobel Prize for chemistry in 1984. He currently teaches chemistry at Rockefeller University, He is 83 years old. This is quite a different Robert Bruce, Complexette.
Well just give me an elevator pass!!![:D]
Thought he waz using a stage name or he didn't always use his full name when I ran into the Merrifield, didn't think 'bout it!!! so Robert Bruce didn't win the Nobel prize, Same name,easy mistake, my bad!!! It was actually Robert Bruce Merrifield that won the Nobel Prize.
guess I could have done my homework and looked into the Robert Bruce's
that we've got here on the site... I took Holy a little too personally. At least I stand up for what I believe in though...And Robert Bruce still has done some kick a double s research.!.
It's just I've not had any understanding of this matter from anyone
else. When I found his research I was amazed. Sorry, Comp
Also Look up the Robert Bruce I was talking 'bout, @ sexual astral projection, go to # 12 astral sex, by Robert Bruce. Very interesting!!! He is the one that belongs to this site![:I]
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Originally posted by kiauma
Heh! This should be renamed the confusion thread. [:)]
Anyway, back to sexual OBE's, I have some thoughts.
Personally, I don't think sexual OBE's are innately bad in themselves, nor do I think Robert Bruce meant that they were. The reason that sexual OBE's are laregely to be avoided is simply a matter of goal.
Vibrational level refers to expansion of consciousness, which is the same as expansion of awareness. Simply put, how can your awareness expand if it is 'in the gutter' all the time? Don't get me wrong, sexual awareness and spontaneity is part of expanded awareness, as is the full range of spontaneous expression and communion, however as awareness expands to include higher vibrations then obviously sexual awareness will become a smaller and smaller part of yourself, at least sex as tied to physical reproduction. Conversely, the more we think of sex, only sex, well, obviously the less expanded we are, ultimately possibly degrading into the narrowness of obsession. That is the sexual trap in a nutshell.
Fortunately, spiritual joining and union in Bliss will become more and more a part of your journey, up until the big 'joining the light', or so I understand it. So, my advice is not to sweat it, to re-think your spiritual practice (if you have one) of meditation, trance energy work, prayer and such, to seek your highest expression by doing the highest good in the life that God has given you, through the OBE and spiritual awareness that God has shown you.
Looked at in this light, I feel that you will have to 'give-up' nothing, though there may be some occasions where you will have to weigh indulgence of counter-urges to your greatest good, to decide if they are really appropriate to the 'Now' or not. On other occasions, I'm sure sexual OBE's will be spontaneous and appropriate. Here, it sounds like you are right on track. [:)]
The spiritual journey is all about integration with the divine. In this way we realize our spiritual dimension, but neither should we feel we must forsake our physical body (nature will dispose of it in due time, naturally). After all, it is an integration of body, mind and spirit. God does not show us delights simply to torture us, they are certainly there to enjoy. However, we are in charge of our destiny, and we will often find ourselves testing ourselves with these things, to see if we are on track with what we really discern as our greatest good.
One other thing, the ability to OBE is not necessarily a mark of grace in itself. I personally have known a couple of people who could OBE who were, frankly, grumpy and opinionated! For the most part, it does take a bit of 'spiritual' development to do, such as discipline, will, and intent, but this really says little about what vibrational level a person is at. THAT is all about expansion of consciousness. Also, I have known of many people of vastly expanded consciousness, who could not OBE.
OBE is not necessarily expanded consciousness. What it really is is an altered consciousness. Through trance, you are directly able to perceive the spiritual realm. It is an incredible opportunity and tool for self exploration and development, and the exploration of psychic worlds. It is the next evolution of humanity.
Thank -u- for getting this forum back on track!!!
That's one thing I can't stand 'bout quoting someone, misquoting them. or implementing u'r own thoughts behind them -n- making it seam like that's what their saying... Let me clarify that by saying: for me being on a lower vibrational plane is a punishment. In life I strive to be the best at what I set my mind to. Not that I have to have the best, but that I be the best.!.
I feel that I am pretty aware of what goes on in the world around me. Including individual's around me. Until I became a part of this forum I did not really believe that what was happening to me was real. Though sexual OBE's were real enough to stop it from happening. I'd never seen anything else on the matter. So I just thought it was a fluke something I dreamed up -N- I could keep doing it cause it wasn't real!!! Maybe it was something I willed to happen, 'cause it started before I actually lost my virginity. Then because of the pattern I didn't know I was hindering myself from exploring further.
"Don't get me wrong, sexual awareness and spontaneity is part of expanded awareness, as is the full range of spontaneous expression and communion, however as awareness expands to include higher vibrations then obviously sexual awareness will become a smaller and smaller part of yourself, at least sex as tied to physical reproduction"
Sexual trap in a nutshell, waz very well put! As I said before, I think because I was denying its reality & the routine I got in to with it I limited myself from going any further. ( thank -u- for helping me with that thought! ) I kept thinking I should be further. But I'm the one that was denying the exsistance of it really happening.
I have trouble remembering the OBE's if there not sexual!!! I sound like a nympho!!! ( Only with my husband ,,,he,he,he ) And on that note!!!
Thank-u-so much ---Complexette[;)]
Well all,[:)][;)]
On my hunt for an answer, I've found one. Robert Bruce said, Sexual OBE's or astral sex; are inevitable. As projectors begin to expand their horizons they will encounter other projectors. Robert said; It's human-nature to have sexual thoughts & fantasy type sexual imagery pop into peoples minds, privately & harmlessly. " These -r- perfectly natural & do no harm, In the sensitive OBE, -u- -r- what -u- think, thoughts -r- not so harmless & private. When one meets another projector, if one has a sexual thought, the one reading the other will feel what their thinking. There for often against the others will.??
If one frequents the sexual OBE too often they will only be allowed into the lower vibrational dimension' Hmmmm??? Like a menace to society, kept on street's with like minded people. ( When I started having sexual OBE's I was so young, I thought it wasn't real! I feel as if I were a bit cheated. However I continued with the sexual OBE's. Since I've been married I've had/allowed very few of them, often times I don't have enough time to wake myself! )
QUESTION; by not allowing this, for so long, shouldn't I be a bit further along by now? I have seen my share of beautiful things in the Astral world!!! How do I allow myself to reach the highest vibrations without getting stuck in a snare??? I can't help but think I've held myself back ( vibrationally )
I've also learned that there's Real Time projections, which is more intense sexual encounters. Having to do with the ( genital chakras ) The male -n- female initiator are similar. Extending from or into the silver cord, the cord's unite ( -n- someone turns up the base on the radio!!! ) Safe sex for our bodies. One catch! -u- loose vibrational levels?.!
I wonder if spirit's are judgmental???
Thus far I've not found anything that makes this matter more clear, than Robert Bruce has. I need to commend him for standing up with his ( bad a double s credential's )[8)] Most of us know how hard it is to prove the paranormal.!. -N- no he's not paying me [:)] I'm just happy I didn't sink lower on the vibratodem poll he, he TTFN
Thankz All, Complexette
p.S You can learn more 'bout Robert Bruce www.astraldynamics.com
Ok I'm a dork [:D] I didn't realize there's already a whole forum on him [:I] whoops he,he[;)]