Shouldn't there BE dangerous things?

[Skrylar]

I have been reading for the past week both skeptics and proponents of astral projection, OBEs and NDEs, and skeptics have a point that I have been pondering myself:

If the planes are real, projection is not a complicated dream of the subconscious, then shouldn't there be some degree of danger? I see people say that traveling is perfectly safe and you just have to think of happiness, but on Earth this does not work.  On Earth its possible to make oneself see the good or cope but they can't just will away people victimizing them; why don't we then hear more of people who project with positive intent but get accosted by negative things?  A friend of mine says its because we're somehow powerful for having a tether (the body), but then what of the dead (assuming the dead become untethered and thus "not as powerful", and not simply disappear.)

Empathy tells me the proponents of spiritual nihilism tend to be broken people to begin with, but there are valid points that sometimes OBE discussions seem overly good to be true.  I'm at a loss, mentally speaking.

[NoY]

on this forum if you mention negative beings people just say its all in your head and make it 10 times worse

so its better to just say nothing 


:NoY:

[Astralsuzy]

I have never experienced anything bad in all the years I have been aping.  Living is a lot more dangerous.  You can get run over by a car, get sick, someone kills another person etc.  In the astral nothing can harm you even if there are bad things.  If you do not pay any attention to the entities (I am not sure if I believe in them) but suppose they are real, they will not bother you.  A lot of people are afraid and they create things that are not real.  It is very easy to create things with your mind even if they are not bad.  People read about entities and it can stay in their mind.  I would advise not to go looking for it and reading about it.  If you do that you will be a lot happier.

[Bedeekin]

on this forum if you mention negative beings people just say its all in your head and make it 10 times worse

so its better to just say nothing 


:NoY:

Why does it make it 10 times worse. I wouldn't say the beings are necessarily in your head... but that doesn't mean to say they are dangerous just because they are real. Do you want them to be dangerous?

I'm just curious why you would feel upset that those who are experienced perceive no real threat from things they may have encountered.

Skrylar...

This reality is a persistent reality. Every action has a positive or negative reaction... in the form of repercussion. In the nonphysical this law falls down and actions have no repercussion.

Any danger I have encountered seems to be specific to that experience. When the experience is over I am 'back in the room' and everything is fine. I may be left with an experience to ponder over and maybe learn from... I never wake up with my arm chewed off by a lurker from the seven realms.

[Stookie_]

I'm sure most of us have had terrifying experiences that we came out of just fine. The biggest demons I've faced are subconscious parts of myself that I've kept buried. Things a person needs to face and reclaim. That is probably the most uncomfortable aspect of AP, and it's necessary to proceed. At least for me to proceed.

In other words, there may be fearful things, but I can't say "dangerous", where you come out worse than when you started. Never heard of that happening. Maybe friend-of-a-friend stories, but never first hand.

[Bedeekin]

This is the thing.. with demons... poltergeists... evil spirits... the worst they do is knock a bit, possess catholics (and other religious sects) and throw stones at people with night vision cameras.

Totally Stookie, There are fearful things... It's like the cave of Yoda's in Empire Strikes Back... that what is in there is "Only what you take with you".

[Greytraveller]

Greetings
Skrylar you asked

If the planes are real, projection is not a complicated dream of the subconscious, then shouldn't there be some degree of danger?

Yes, IMO, there should be a degree of danger in Any nonphysical realm/plane. Here's why - If we accept the supposition that the human consciousness survives physical death largely intact (which I do BTW) then it follows that people who were negative, violent and destructive while alive in the physical continue to be negative, violent and destructive in any plane/realm that they inhabit in the afterlife.
To me this seems to be a straightforward and easy to understand proposition. Granted one Does need to accept that the human consciousness survives physical death. And yet if this is the case why would one expect the nazis, or revolutionary communists or murderous gangsters to be any different in the afterlife than they were in physical life? They all remain the same as far I can tell. Consciousness probably does evolve, but slowly over long periods of time. Destructive behaviour does Not immediately end following the survival of physical death.
That is the way that I see it, anyway.

Sincerely 
Grey

[Contenteo]

I do believe there are bad things out there, but only if your intent wants to accept them. Much like if someone offers you bad tasting food. If you never accept it (intend to eat it) them you will never have to taste it.

Monroe nailed this on the head. All that evil stuff happens in 'F22'. One place (other than your own F21 volition). And this is on the fringe of the astral, far away from any of the higher levels.

people who were negative, violent and destructive while alive in the physical continue to be negative, violent and destructive in any plane/realm that they inhabit in the afterlife.

Brilliantly said. In my mind, they are all stationed in these little bubbles.

Why bubbles?
When people are emotionally happy they are intrinsically more perceptive of their surroundings (Extroverted towards a greater consciousness) This is well documented in psychology journals.

However, naturally, when people are negative/angry/'insert bad emotion here' They intrinsically become introverted. Unable to process other's current perceptions. Narrow sight blinds them of any outward perceptiveness. Almost a naturally singular selfish emotional state.

If you pass on with negative emotions, you'll sit on top to the water, much like little bubbles of oil. Trapped in you own negative mental reality of what you hold to be true. A slew of little potholes that appear to repel one another.

After all this time on this forum. I have yet to hear negative experiences about many evil entities. It's always one. Retrieval missions are always helping one trapped person. I like to look at this logic of positive and negative very much like a framework of the logic deductive reason versus inductive. If you want examples of a rule, you have to break the specifics apart.

The cause for such a fear of evil is just.
If the great PUL oneness (or whatever you want to call it) can naturally aggregate to one, then an evil intention should be able to do the same. But I havn't seen it yet. Maybe in the movies. But in reality the evil seems to just be good from another perspective, not a true evil. The evil we know in the astral seems to have no organizing power. It acts more like entropy then it does syntropic negativity.

So I think there is nastiest out there. But its out there only if you want to be or unfortunately trip into it in your travels. IMO, Its seems to be the exception. Not the rule.

Steer clear. 

Cheers,
Contenteo