Differences???

[OldLad]

I just love the support in this forum.  A number of questioned posts have been posted by myself with no advice, comments or even pointers from anyone.  I guess it shows that its not the interest of the topic that gets responses but who you know.  Anyways have fun with your little inner circle.[}:)]

[alt0xFF]

Lol the good old "why is nobody replying?" attitude.
Relax, its normal. Maybe simply nobody has got anything to say.

On the topic: in my opinion, that article is weak. First of all, the size can be cut in half without losing any info. Second, the author appears to be aquianted with the subject of abductions on a very shallow level, as the actual PHYSICAL abductions involve witnesses, UFO sightings, residual UFO-related physical phenomena, and physical effects on the subject's body. NON-PHYSICAL abductions, however, mostly involve SP-type scenario, where the abductors simply come into subject's bedroom out of nowhere. In-depth case-study of non-physical abductions bears some cross-validatable data that does not allow the experience to be simply dismissed as hallucination, although in some/most cases that is exactly what that is.

The author also mentions that the paralysis mechanism is hormonal. Is that so? In that case why when you wake a person during any sleep cycle, the SP effect wears off instanteneusly? Wouldn't it take at least several seconds for the body to react if the paralysis is caused by a hormone?

"Tip: Avoid dehydrated varieties of onions and garlic. Some have claimed that this has helped decrease chances of sleep paralysis." - did they use control group?

P.S. A quick google search has confirmed that the author is not qualified to make conclusions on either of the subjects.
http://www.authorfind.com/authors/1155.html

If do not want to be mislead, I suggest everybody to listen to the experts specializing in the particular field you are interested in, whatever it might be, rather than to jacks of all trades writing to make a quick buck.

[Hismidnightrose]

Oldlad,

Hi! I'm new here myself so not sure how much help I can really be. I came here hoping to find some insight into OBE vs sleep paralysis myself. I've been experiencing spontaneous episodes of one or the other for a few years now and lately they come usually at least twice a week.

For me, it started with the paralysis, the loud buzzing sound, and the feeling that my body was reverbrating with that buzz. I feel something take my hand and start to pull me, and there's a sense of upward motion but I'd get about halfway up and panic because I felt like the farther up I'd go the less I could breathe.

Oddly, whomever/whatever this other presence is it seems to convey things but not with words, more like you just feel its emotions/thoughts (it gets frustrated when I start to freak out, wants me to stay calm, and seems to be proud when I overcome the panic stage.. go fig). I've gone through at least three attacks with this presence, and twice I wigged out and it intervened, didn't allow me to look at it, and sent me back rather abruptly.

I never see any visions aside from blurr, never hear voices, and haven't even seen any cool landscapes. Mostly, it's just this presence, the pulling, and strange attacks that I liken to being hit by bowling balls of energy (it reminded me of if you took someone's anger toward you and made it into a ball then got it slammed into you where it knocked the wind out of you..that's sort of what it felt like). This being was there for each of these attacks and when I couldn't fend these attacks off on my own it would step between me and this 'ball' that would choke me except there was no feeling of hands or my own neck.. I couldn't breathe, but it wasn't air that it was cutting off. So exactly what it was choking off and from what astral anatomy, I have no idea.

I've read a lot about the similarities between sleep paralysis and OBE. Hallucinations vs entities, etc. When it first started a few years back I was so confused I thought I was either schizophrenic or had a brain tumor. I wasn't into anything even remotely "astral" related at the time and the whole concept was,in truth, an overwhelming new world to try to understand, much less believe in.

I was okay for a while to accept the hallucination/dream explanation except I've found these episodes can be induced by simply closing my eyes, looking up through closed eyes at an imaginary dot at the inside of my forehead and apply a little pressure. With that the buzzing starts and the whole cycle repeats. The only difference I've found is that when I induce these episodes I don't feel myself being pulled away. I can sense that presence near, but it's not actively pulling me and I kind of just hover there. =/  

So I don't know what to make of it anymore. I cringe to talk about this so openly because it seems to only get responses that I'm either making it up, something is wrong with me, etc. These days I'm still searching for answers but I'm much more open to all possibilities.

[TheLunatic]

quote:Originally posted by Hismidnightrose
Hi! I'm new here myself so not sure how much help I can really be. I came here hoping to find some insight into OBE vs sleep paralysis myself. I've been experiencing spontaneous episodes of one or the other for a few years now and lately they come usually at least twice a week.
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So I don't know what to make of it anymore. I cringe to talk about this so openly because it seems to only get responses that I'm either making it up, something is wrong with me, etc. These days I'm still searching for answers but I'm much more open to all possibilities.

Hi,

I personally don't think there is anything wrong with you. Most everything you said in your message sounds pretty much like the some kinda stuff I've experienced myself.

I posted about a few of my recent experiences in "OOBE I just had! - Extended Discussion "

It sounds like you have a lot of fear about it all and that's understandable. It's hard to know what is going on when you can't see anything. The part about the attacks isn't something I've had to deal with yet but I'm sure someone here has probably had something like that happen.

I myself have had at least 20 different experiences where I couldn't breathe or move. It's very hard to stay calm and feels terrible but it always passes.

I hope you find some answers to your experiences. I'd recommend you actively try and get out of your physical body and confront whatever is there. That's really the only way you are going to end the harassment. You have it inside yourself to put a stop to it.


Best wishes,
Luke

[TheLunatic]

quote:Originally posted by OldLad

I just love the support in this forum.  A number of questioned posts have been posted by myself with no advice, comments or even pointers from anyone.  I guess it shows that its not the interest of the topic that gets responses but who you know.  Anyways have fun with your little inner circle.[}:)]

I sorta agree with you. People do seem to respond more to certain people... It can't be helped. It's human nature.

[mamabird]

Hello oldlad,maybe its how they choose to interpret their astral experiences. Maybe they want them to be alien encounters and have done alot of reading on that subject so when they have an OBE thats whay they think they're seeing. I remember reading about in earlier times people thought that their AP symptoms was the result of an old hag or witch sitting on their chest trying to suffocate them.

[Tisha]

Anyone with an interest in this subject matter should read John E. Mack's Passport to the Cosmos: Human Transormation and Alien Encounters.  Mack is a medical doctor and a Harvard professor who's studied this phenomenon for years.  His first book, Abduction, won a Pulitzer.

[OldLad]

http://www.issues-mag.com/sleep.shtml

Ran across this article that I thought was interesting.  Talks about alien abduction, sleep paralysis, and OBE's.  All 3 of these phenomena seem to share similiar symptoms.  Currious to wonder how one could tell them apart when experienced?  I'm personally a believer in OBE's but all 3 experiences present themselves as real to the experiencer.  Food for thought []