smart-drugs for OBEs and APs??

[kevin32]

Can someone recommend any smart-drugs, nootropics, hallucinogens, pills, supplements, etc to help induce OBEs and APs. Maybe there's a company out there that offers products? Thanks!

[personalreality]

I wouldn't use anything that has a psychotropic effect.

But there are a lot of herbs that can help your body relax so as to make it easier to induce the right state of body and mind to achieve projection.

I have had some success with Valerian root, passionflower extract, kava, hops, etc.  They are often used as sleep aids but can be useful for meditative practices.

[Stookie]

Welcome to the forum kevin32! We tend to discuss techniques that don't require anything but awareness.

[pappavis]

Can someone recommend any smart-drugs, nootropics, hallucinogens, pills, supplements, etc to help induce OBEs and APs. Maybe there's a company out there that offers products? Thanks!

i had the same thoughts, read my thread here --> http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/your_experience_using_hallogenics_for_projections_did_it_help-t32362.0.html

[justin35ll]

Well I don't anymore, but 2 years ago I used to smoke Calea zacatechichi (the mexican dream herb)
I never got OBE from using it, but I can say I have pretty vivid dream recall up to 5 dreams a night.

I also took Melatonin sleep aid pills I bought at CVS, but can't say it ever helped much

[Xanth]

Well I don't anymore, but 2 years ago I used to smoke Calea zacatechichi (the mexican dream herb)
I never got OBE from using it, but I can say I have pretty vivid dream recall up to 5 dreams a night.

I also took Melatonin sleep aid pills I bought at CVS, but can't say it ever helped much

I know that the Melatonin will simply put you to sleep.  You won't attain any conscious non-physical journeys with it. 

[justin35ll]

Yeah, exactly why I don't use it lol.

I just placed an order online for 20 grams of calea zacatechichi though becuase I want to try using it again (drinking as a tea)

[kevin32]

Thanks everyone.

[personalreality]

melatonin isn't really helpful for sleep because it doesn't make you drowsy or tired, it's more like an on off switch.  when it is released into the brain, that tells the brain and body that it's time to relax and sleep.  but unless someone has some disorder where they don't produce melatonin (which i haven't heard of), taking more melatonin at night doesn't do anything because the brain has already released it.  however! what melatonin is good for is jet lag.  if you have to adjust to a completely different time zone, on the other side of the world for example, your brain thinks it's the middle of the day but it's really the middle of the night.  so taking melatonin then will help.  what that also means is taking melatonin in the middle of the day could potentially help with getting to that "edge of sleep" state. 

but i still support stookie's original statement.  doing it naturally will teach you the skills that projection requires and you'll be a much more stable projector later on.

[justin35ll]

well i got the calea zachatechichi today and i just made the tea and let me tell you.. OH MY bonking GOD IT IS DISGUSTING
ugh i dread drinking any more of this it is so bitter even after the honey and sugar i put in, but lets hope the results are worth it

[Firecracker]

AP is possible without any kind of drug.  I don't believe drugs should be used to have an out of body experience.  You are visiting different Astral planes and want it to be pure as possible.

Of course this is just my own opinion 

[justin35ll]

Well i have like 17grams left of this calea that i NEVER want to make a tea out of again. Last night I drank about 1/4 of my mug of this tea and had enough, but even though it didn't seem like much I did feel my heart beat pretty strong like it says you will. So I layed down and tried to fall asleep and after about 10 minutes I was in a dream like state and I was imaging that I was playing a video game for xbox360 that I play and I was atcually seeing it in my mind (it was more dark shadows then colors, but was still seeing it) then out of no where I was standing in a kitchen and 3 birds flew right in my vision and scared the hell out of me and I woke up.

Then I fell back asleep and didn't have very good dream recall this morning, but for the few parts I do remember of my dreams they were pretty vivid.
So that's my experience last night, but I probably won't be having anymore because I don't plan on drinking this ever again, but I may try to injest it a different way I don't know yet..

[NickisDank]

Ive done DMT a handful of times, you leave your body but not in the same sense of an AP.

Drugs such as LSD,Shrooms,Peyote, ETC will give you effects of feeling out of your body, but regardless your still in reality awake.

I wouldnt try doing drugs to get on the astral, that just doesnt sound like good idea lol