wrong? no.
tho i would caution that the experience may be harder to control than "by hand". chemicals can be handy, but they can make things rather fragile.
Some people would think its wrong, I am not one of them [^]
I still havent tried it yet, all I have now is salvia.
http://deoxy.org/index.htm
sorry i havn't tried it but i know friends who have..(I did try to try it in the summer but it was not a dose so did nothing)
what i've heard about it is that you can reach other dimentions of being where you encounter other entities etc...it was interesting that a mate chris siad that when he smoked it once he left the physical plane and pushed his head up into the 'other' one where by he saw some beings that apparently where shocked to see him as though they were saying 'wooww what are you doing here!!!'
he reckoned it wasnt a negative 'wooow' but one of surprise...perhaps to them in the other place seeing us suddenly there is similar to us seeing a ghost!!?? just a thought anyway...
Another point i've heard is...eastern culture someone might spend there whole life preparing for alternate reality and getting there eventually,,,,western culture someone has an instant experince and spends there rest of their life trying to work it out....
These aren't my opinions at all but they're interesting ideas anyway....to be honest i would like to try Divine Moments of Truth properly...being a curious individual....[;)]
You can get to the top of the Sears tower using the stairs, but why would you bother when you have elevators. You can walk across America, but it would be easier and faster to drive or fly. DMT is a tool or vehicle use it wisely and you will get there much faster.
http://www.deoxy.org/hs_cehn.htm
After a few experiences you will be ready for Ketamine.
http://hometown.aol.com/zeraphinn/index.html
DMT is definatly stronger and more overwhelming than ketamine.
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Originally posted by zeraphinn
You can walk across America, but it would be easier and faster to drive or fly. DMT is a tool or vehicle use it wisely and you will get there much faster.
That may be true......but to me, I would never fly in a plane that may take me to Hong Kong instead of New York.
In other words, using drugs to reach a level of astral travel may work, but the results can be unpredictable.
I'm not against drugs or anything, people can do what they want. But for ME, because of my skeptic nature, I need to know that what I do is not induced by a drug, or else I may start to think the DRUG had something to do with it, instead of it being an all natural experience.
Just my two cents.
I made a thread a couple months ago about salvia divinorum, and how it could help a OBE, well i went out and bought some, and then extracted it myself, and tried it. Everything I said in my thread was wrong, and it was the worse experience ever, and i think it prolonged my mind from even having a OBE for along time. scared me senseless.
Fear is the mind killer.
DO NOTHING until you have settled your fears.
The vehicle or tool should not be used by the inexperienced.
Every pilot should do some soul searching before getting on the plane.
Some souls are ready even before they mentally know what to do.
Tools are there for the skilled craftsmen to use.
Always begin at the library (do your research).
Your specific guides can help you as well.
nice post zeraphin, I couldn't agree more about disolving fear, because it seems as though once you dissolve the fear, your then left with nothing, and then with nothing, you can finally streamline the ride into uncharted oceans..
From my experience, using drugs to achieve altered states of consciousness is like opening up the back of your TV set and poking around in there. You're going to get some weird interference on the screen, some crazy sounds coming from the speakers, and maybe even 2 or 3 channels coming in simultaneously. All of this may seem really cool and enlightening, but the problem is that you really have no idea what you're doing and so it's very difficult to use these methods reliably.
On the other side of the coin, not relying on drugs, but rather your mind/imagination to turn the channels, may take a bit more time and focused intention, but once you get it down, you will have the "remote control" to go to whatever channel you desire without having to poke around inside your TV (head) randomly. . . which could in theory fry your circuitry.
I say this having used LSD, mushrooms, ketamine, nitrus oxide, etc.
That is not to say that these experiences should never be tried. Although I had more stressful, difficult experiences than easy relaxing ones with these drugs, they were still positive in the end.
But I do not feel that they have any real long term value or necessity for exploring realms beyond the physical, and in the
end only serve as a distraction or crutch.
Those are interesting comments. Having tried LSD for the first time 2 days ago, I view these drugs more as tools for your mind, rather than just crutches. But then again, that's subjective. Some people do them for thrills, others to know themselves, others to find answers... ect. I had a positive experience. The experience allowed me to 'see' just how powerful that little brain is inside my skull and what I can do with it.
blah blah blah
cheers, : )
One tool works for some and not for others.
As Yellow said: some use for fun, some use to self medicate, and some use with spiritual purpose. If the later is your intention, then it will only be a means to an end. Nothing more, nothing less.
Be wise on substance and dose. Be mindfull of the body you occupy and how you manipulate it.
When I mentioned K as a tool, I meant IM delivery.
Experience is very brand and dose dependant.
If your mind is a TV set, then this would be DSS.
No technical knowledge required. and about multiple channels.
Bi-location is a possible occurence.
Thing is when you return to the Biological container it can't hold everything you experience, so you may at first remember only confusing unexplicable things (like a broken crazy TV). But worry not it is stored in other places. With practice, and multiple excursions it becomes clearer. The experiences even build on themselves. In the end do what your heart tells you and use your mind to find the best way to do that.
by the way guys have any of you heard of John c lilly? he was a well known neuroscientist and dolphin communication researcher amongst many other things. He had pioneered the isolation tank and did all sorts of experiments with LSD psilosybin and K (while sensory deprived in the floatation tank)
he is widely known as the Columbas of the mind as he used science as his gauge for it all in order to remain non sceptical about his discoverys and to convince the rest of the scientific community.
Check his site out and his book called 'The scientist'i reckon some of you here would be interested!
www.johnclilly.com
Anyone think that smoking DMT would be karmically wrong to achieve instant OBEs, whether they be terrifying or not?
Shamans used to use drugs to help them achieve natural states of the mind, then eventually they would get their without using substances. Some people think that drugs can be a training tool for achieving OBEs or other higher states of meditation.
Please, responses from people that have used drugs such as DMT to eventually have OBEs or other phenomenom occur naturally. This thread isn't going to work if we're just going to get a bunch of comments from people that already have a biased against substances because they've never tried them.
thanks and good day!