(So how shall we spell your name, God?) D.R.U.G.S!

[sublime]

"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is mearly energy condensed through a slow vibration, we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, life is only a dream and we are the imaginations of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather" - Bill Hicks


first of all, i would like to say that i have little experience with psychadelics other than the fact that i have tried ecstacy once. it was definitely a very interesting experience and at the time i had no knowledge of projection/energy work or else i wouldve experimented with it. i did however smoke a lot of pot when i was in high school and i would have to say that i never experienced any spontaneous projections like i do now that i'm completely sober or when i was a kid and completely sober.

" three weeks ago two of my friends and i went to a ranch in fredricksburg, texas took what terrance m. would call a heroic dose 5 dried grams (mushrooms) let me tell you our third eye was squeegied quite cleanly. WOW. and i'm glad they're against the law cause you know what happened when i took them... i layed in a field of green grass for four hours going "my god i love everything" the heavens parted and god came down and rained gifts of forgiveness onto my being healing me on every level, psychically, physically emotionally, and i realized our true nature is spirit not body we are eternal beings and gods love is unconditional and there's nothing we can ever do to change that... it is only our illusion that we are separate from god and we are alone.. the truth is we are one with god and he loves us"  - Bill Hicks

well i can understand why people would want to try and take these psychadelics to advance spiritually but personally i think i'd rather go the natural way than eating mushrooms that grow on cow crap. plus i think i'd be much more proud/conscious of my experience. even if the drug doesnt eliminate the capability to have an obe, it still will no doubt fu@k up your brain in some way shape and form. well i guess that's just my opinion []

[filipcza]

Drugs are bad..oookay..(From the South Park movie)

I think that drugs affect the filters in our brain, and so they let us "see" more than is usually available to us. Or they might loose our astral body slightly which could also have similar effect.

Now, even if this might seem a thing to do, if you're after spiritual stuff, I think you shouldn't do it. Why? well, because that kind of chemical manipulation isn't good for you. You could say that drugs promise you heaven and give you hell.

Look at at what happens to drug users. All they want, all they need is their next fix. They completely forget this reality and want to live in "heaven", even though heaven can be felt only in the beginning of the drug use. Gradually they need more and more to keep them feeling good, then they need it just to feel "normal" and eventually they need it to stay away from "hell". They take larger and larger doses until it kills them. The only lesson those drug users must have learned in their lives had to be "keep away from drugs!".

From the spiritual development point of view I think that there is not much to gain from them. To be stoned lying down and feeling that god loves you and that you love everything isn't going to advance you spiritually, on the contrary it keeps you from learning, because then you don't live, you just take drugs. The only slightly positive thing I can think of is to use them like shamans do, to help you to make "journeys", and even that can be done without them with practise.

Sorry if it seems like I'm preaching here, this is just what I think of drugs. I can't say I'm talking from personal experience, because I have never taken drugs, but I have heard more than enough of stories about them. Ultimately it's everyone's personal choice.

[Euphoric Sunrise]

I have never taken any drugs so my i have a bias opinion, but i still think there is no advantage of taking drugs to try and stimulate the spirit or whatever. How can you be sure you're not just hallucinating and seeing what you want to see when you're under the influence of drugs like that? I think if you were to learn to leave your body and explore other planes etc. you would be a lot more sure of what you encountered than if you took hallucinogens (sp?). I also see astral travel as a more progressive thing.
But, hey, how can you prove that drugs don't work as aids in traveling to other planes etc.?

[Tom]

In one book I read: spiritual discipline is like taking a long journey through forests, desserts, swamps, and up a mountain. Mescaline is like having a postcard from the destination. You can stop and stare at the postcard or you can go on the journey. There are advantages to having seen the postcard because it is a little easier to set out on a trip after seeing evidence that the destination exists.

[Epsilon]

Where to start...

First of all I start by saying that I have done ecstacy twice, and have smoked a good amount of weed since I was a sophomore in H.S.
Friends of mine have done shrooms and LSD (acid), and have told me all about them.

Now, onto the subject at hand...

I myself, am glad that I took the ecstacy.  If I had to do it all over again, I would have only taken it once though.  The second time was lousy, I think because it had become so popular and mainstream, that the pill was less ecstacy and more other crap.  Anyways I don't want to sit here and promote anything, but I don't want to discourage anyone if they want to try something once.

Now to the spiritual side of it...

I can probably say that first time I took ecstacy was one of the best days of my life so far... (which isn't that long, I'm only 22)
I did it with a bunch of friends, and one of the first things we all did was give each other big hugs and tell each other that we love them.  (sounds corny, I know) It was the feeling of unconditional love for EVERYTHING for a good 4-6 hours.  We went outside on a bright sunny day and I thought I was halfway to heaven.  I just sat and thought about life.  How beautiful life really is, and how the life we live in can be so miserable sometimes.  I then laid down in the grass and thought more about life.  I don't really want to go anymore into it, because it's kind of personal.  Plus, we all have our OWN thoughts on life and why we're here.. no need to try to influence my ideas on you.

I was glad I did it, because it opened a bunch of doorways in my life I never really realized were even there!  I think my new-found interest in my spiritual and energy side of me stemmed from that day 4 years or so ago.  

Weed alone doesn't help when it comes to anything spiritual, atleast for me, because I'm never really alone (always with friends) and I'm too busy amusing myself with the smallest things.  But once I was on another drug (don't want to say what, it's kinda embarrassing, but it can be found over-the-counter in a pharmacy) and smoked some weed as well and I laid down feeling pretty good and listened to some relaxing music, and I almost projected (but I didn't know it at the time) It was a classic tunnel trip in the 3D blackness.  I doubt I will ever do that again though, because I started vomitting a couple hours later.  I would rather get there again on my own without and outside help... sober.  

I know so far my experiences have seemed good, and that I am almost more promoting it than discouraging it, BUT...
I have read COUNTLESS times in my study of OBEs that drugs may help you achieve one, but most likely it will be a negative experience, and it only take one negative experience to ruin your view on OBE and maybe your life!  Even Robert Bruce states this in Astral Dynamics.  Basically, the drugs help you project, but there was no energy raising or meditation or deep physicaly relaxation to raise your vibrations to a higher level (what we usually want to do when we project) so you end up projecting to a very low astral plane... filled with all the types of negs you hear about.  Not good.  That's why from now on I would rather do my projecting on my own.  

In the end, to summarize this long post, I would say this:

If you want to try something once, to see what it's like, go ahead, but research it ALOT before you do.  I did with ecstacy for a couple months before taking it.  Use the drug to open your mind and doorways in your life you might not have known were there, but I wouldn't recommend using ANY drug to try projecting with.

(EDIT: www.erowid.org is a good site to reseach)

Phew!  Time for a nap!  []

Good luck,
"Ep"

[rodentmouse]

in  my  experience  with  drugs  i  think  they  are  good  to  experience,   but   when  you  become  bored of life,  then they are bad.

there  are  also drugs  which  supress or  elevate  consiousness,   maybe  its a personal  thing  but  alcohol  supresses mine,  whilst  weed  and  mushrooms  elevated it.

for  a  start  theyve  legalised the  wrong  drug...  being  drunk  you are  more prone  to  disater  than  when  you  are stoned or  high  etc...

doing  weed  helped me a lot  in  my  energy  work  and  meditation,   it made  all  the  states of  body  and mind  become more obvious,  so  i knew  what  state  i needed to attain to project  when  i was  sober.  
 

with  mushrooms the  goal  of  meditation  became  clear  to me,   i  havent  done  them  since,  in a way,  i  am better of  for doing them,  plus  i had  an  incredible  experience,  the only  flaw  to  all drugs  is  that the  experiences  are only  real  at  the time,  now  they  are just  memories  which i know  i enjoyed at the time.

it  is different  with  astral projection,  the  clear mind  in meditation  is  kinda  filtering  into my  waking  life  bit  by  bit  the more i meditate,  hence i  am  more  consious  of  each moment  and  making  judgements about people  from  my  intuition or  gut  feeling.... its hard to  explain,  but  the  spiritual  practise is making me  more  evolved  as a being,   smokeing  weed  on  countless occasions  hasnt,   it  made me more  sluggish  and  apathetic  towards everything when  i  was sober.

plus,  most of the  revelations  and  profound  thoughts  i have when im  high are either  forgotton  or  cannot  be  understood when  sober,  or  if  i  do,  they  dont  seem  as  groundbreaking  as they  did  when i was high.

i  think   new  experiences  in  general  are good,  drugs or otherwise,  we  have a universe of  experiences  to  explore,  i  do and will  do  drugs  simply  to  explore,  and  accumulate more  knowledge  and  experience,  makeing me a more knowledgable person about them.

i dont  think anyone  who hasnt  done a certain  drug  should make  assumptions on them,  me  and  my  friend  both  started to  get high  together,  i  stopped  eventually, but he  is  always  smoking,  now  he  seems  braindead whenever i speak  to him,  most of his thinking  comes from  when he is high,  when hes sober  and trying to explain something,  it  is  very  hard to  understand what  he means.

so  even  if  your  friend tells  you its bad,  it  could be completely  different for you.

what  the phak..   have  you  got  marilyn mansons live album???

[Parmenion]

I could write pages upon pages upon pages on this topic. But i won't.Some things are better left as personall experience.I will say this though.Im all for trying anything once, but you have to know, and i mean really know, that you have enough strength of character to realise that even though you are enjoying what you are doing, achieving drug induced euphoria so to speak, that if you continue down that road you are fcuked.I have seen too many of my old friends turn into thieves and muggers or worse, corpses.If you are not 100% sure that you have the willpower to stop what you like doing because you know its doing you harm then don't even think about starting.

Parmenion

[Epsilon]

Parmenion is right.  If you are afraid that you'll get addicted, then don't do it.  It's not worth it.

I have a couple ex-friends that couldn't stop taking ecstacy after we all did it together that one time because they thought that was the only time they felt good about themselves and life, and then they would come down from the high and be depressed, and would want to do more to feel "normal".  [V]  It's sad.  I tried to get one of them help (my ex-best friend) and he has hated me ever since...

[Reason]

I also won't preach about drugs being bad, and you should just say no.  But what these other people have said is true.  At first it will seem great, but then you will keep looking forward too it.

My best friend kept begging me to smoke weed with him, so I did, and I didn't feel anything at all.  I actually did it with him a few times and felt nothing.  Then, a few weeks ago, I did, and we smoked half a quarter over the weekend, I was pretty stoned, and it was fun.  I didn't feel at all bad afterwords either.

So I go through the week and it was all ok, but then I thought of doing it again, and again, and I would ask him for some more.  Even to this day I have thought about getting more.  After getting high once.  In the back of my mind I know if I do it again, I will probably turn it into an addiction.  But it is a downspiral you see.

If you have enough willpower I suppose it wouldn't be that bad to do it, but just be warned, you might get an addiction.

Another thing, if you are not sure or are nervous about doing a drug, don't do it.  If someone pleads you to do shrooms and you are hesitant, don't do it.  It will mess up your high.  You have good highs, and bad highs, especially with shrooms and acid, and ecstacy.

[Reason]

quote:Originally posted by Reason

I also won't preach about drugs being bad, and tell you that you should just say no.  What these other people have said is true.  At first it will seem great, but then you will keep looking forward too it.

My best friend kept begging me to smoke weed with him, so I did, and I didn't feel anything at all.  I actually did it with him a few times and felt nothing.  Then, a few weeks ago, I did, and we smoked half a quarter over the weekend, I was pretty stoned, and it was fun.  I didn't feel at all bad afterwords either.

So I go through the week and it was all ok, but then I thought of doing it again, and again, and I would ask him for some more.  Even to this day I have thought about getting more.  After getting high once.  In the back of my mind I know if I do it again, I will probably turn it into an addiction.  But it is a downspiral you see.

If you have enough willpower I suppose it wouldn't be that bad to do it, but just be warned, you might get an addiction.

Another thing, if you are not sure or are nervous about doing a drug, don't do it.  If someone pleads you to do shrooms and you are hesitant, don't do it.  It will mess up your high.  You have good highs, and bad highs, especially with shrooms and acid, and ecstacy.

[Reason]

Try to read the quoted one, it is small, I thought I was editing the message not quoting.

[silva]

quote:Originally posted by Reason

Try to read the quoted one, it is small, I thought I was editing the message not quoting.

I always do that too []

[What Tha Phak]

Sublime-

Who is Bill Hicks?


Filipcza-

quote:Look at at what happens to drug users. All they want, all they need is their next fix. They completely forget this reality and want to live in "heaven", even though heaven can be felt only in the beginning of the drug use. Gradually they need more and more to keep them feeling good, then they need it just to feel "normal" and eventually they need it to stay away from "hell". They take larger and larger doses until it kills them. The only lesson those drug users must have learned in their lives had to be "keep away from drugs!".

I'm sure you must be thinking of methemphetamines when you say that.  I can definately see (and have seen) that happening with cocaine/PCP/heroine abuse.  It is very sad.  The "elevated moods" and "experienced heaven" you speak of happens like this:  Opiates such a Opium and morphine contain endorphins.  Our brain has these natural endorphines.  Endorphines are are the chemical that links pleasure and pain control.  When these artificial endorphines enter the brain, they take over and mimic the natural ones. That would explain the "heaven" like feelings; a surge of pleasureable sensations and if anything, the opposite of pain.  But the more these drugs are used, the brain becomes used to them (addiction), and stops creating its own natural endorphines, relying on the artifical ones.  Ceasing the drug use will eliminate the amount of endorphines in your brain, until they start coming back, your hell, or withdrawl.  


Euphoric Sunrise-

quote:How can you be sure you're not just hallucinating and seeing what you want to see when you're under the influence of drugs like that?

That's the beauty of it all!  Taking larger than normal dose of shrooms is like having a waking dream!  I'm surprised how little studied this substance is.  I have done shrooms three times; the first two times alright, I took an eighth and the sensations I got were like greater sense of auras, deep, meaningful thoughts, and my vision was like I was underwater... the 3rd was bunk.  During that time, I was a lot less mentally developed and was unaware of the effect's higher potnetial.  I look forward to the next time (no addiction here) I trip on shrooms, I plan on doing a quarter rather than an eighth because they seem a little weak when I did them, but some friends really started to wig out, I think I have a greater resistance...?  I see no danger in doing shrooms, unless of course, you had a very bad trip, affecting you emotionally and traumatically (don't to shrooms if you are depressed/have bad self esteem and are very paranoid!).

The only addiction that I could see coming out of non-physically addicting drugs (such as marijuanna, shrooms, peyote, LSD, masculine) is when you do it so much that you brain becomes accustomed to it and you know no other way of think, but on this drug.  You love what it does and want to do it again and again.  There are no withdrawls.  It as a psychological addiction.

Tom, that is a very interesting way of describing out journey. [|)]

Epsilon-

quote:I can probably say that first time I took ecstacy was one of the best days of my life so far... (which isn't that long, I'm only 22)
I did it with a bunch of friends, and one of the first things we all did was give each other big hugs and tell each other that we love them. (sounds corny, I know) It was the feeling of unconditional love for EVERYTHING for a good 4-6 hours. We went outside on a bright sunny day and I thought I was halfway to heaven. I just sat and thought about life. How beautiful life really is, and how the life we live in can be so miserable sometimes. I then laid down in the grass and thought more about life. I don't really want to go anymore into it, because it's kind of personal. Plus, we all have our OWN thoughts on life and why we're here.. no need to try to influence my ideas on you.

I hate ecstacy. I have never done it and will never do it.  I know enough about it to consider it false enlighenment.  There are so many different drugs in E, I couldn't even count them all. It is not a pure substance.  Marijuana, cocaine, mushrooms are all pure.  They grown from Gaia and it's as simple as that.  E fries out your brain and that the truth. Have you ever had a chit chat with an E-tard?  It's hard to understand and comprehend what they are trying to say.  I've seen catscans of E-tards' brains and there's usually about 40% left of usable associative brain areas that still function.  That is usually after 30+ uses.  I see no "spiritualism" coming out of a drug synthesized by man that causes this much harm.

quote:But once I was on another drug (don't want to say what, it's kinda embarrassing, but it can be found over-the-counter in a pharmacy)

LOL! It wouldn't happen to be a bottle of cough syrup would it...? haha! I did the same thing. It contains a substance called dextromethemphormine (DXM).  and whoa was it ever an experience, best trip i've ever had so far, I could see whatever I wanted! It was great, I though I was about to project while meditating/raising energy, but nothing happened.  Some people say it makes them spontaniously project and they also see aliens and stuff, heh.  I could see my own stringy, sapy aura around my hands, too, playing with it like I did in elementary schools with Elmor's glue from hand to hand [)]


Rodentmouse-

quote:in my experience with drugs i think they are good to experience, but when you become bored of life, then they are bad.

there are also drugs which supress or elevate consiousness, maybe its a personal thing but alcohol supresses mine, whilst weed and mushrooms elevated it.

for a start theyve legalised the wrong drug... being drunk you are more prone to disater than when you are stoned or high etc...

doing weed helped me a lot in my energy work and meditation, it made all the states of body and mind become more obvious, so i knew what state i needed to attain to project when i was sober.

I absolutely agree.  Except you confuse me when you say that drugs either elevate or supress consciousness.  Do you mean how the drug affects your mood and emotion psychologically? I hear you when you state being high on weed helps your energy raising capability.  To me, it seems that I have a greater sense in my energy body as I raise it, I am more focused when I'm lit.

heh and yes, I did get that from Manson's live album, I thought it sounded appropiate and appealing for this subject [^]


I back Parmenion up fully. Don't ever give in to useing a drug from peer pressure.  I think it should be out of sheer curiousity and acknowledgment of the reprecautions.  It should be your choice.


whew, all done

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[sublime]

Bill hicks is (was) an American comedian. I actually just found out about him about a month ago although i have heard references to him on Tool's albums. He is extremely blunt and controversial yet very funny. Most of his acts dealt with drug use, the government and other touchy subjects. chick out www.billhicks.com if you care to learn more and go download (or buy if you're against that haha) some of his stuff i'm sure you'd find it humerous.

[sublime]

Bill hicks is (was) an American comedian. I actually just found out about him about a month ago although i have heard references to him on Tool's albums. He is extremely blunt and controversial yet very funny. Most of his acts dealt with drug use, the government and other touchy subjects. chick out www.billhicks.com if you care to learn more and go download (or buy if you're against that haha) some of his stuff i'm sure you'd find it humerous.

[What Tha Phak]

yeah, I thought I recognized that quote from the 'Thrid Eye' song (right?).  Tool is one of my favorite bands.

[sublime]

yes that would be Bill, he was also in the artwork inside the cover for Aenima. evidently, he was a friend of Maynard's.

[What Tha Phak]

I like to look at the perception potentials of the human brain in comparison to a bucket.  The more water you fill in this bucket, the more intinsive the your senses are.  Somebody tripping on mushrooms, LSD, or peyote would have this bucket spilling, from over-fullment of water.   I remember a friend saying to me, "Dude, acid is awesome, it's like you see sounds and hear colors, heh" ...

[sublime]

In the meantime, their brain cells are getting rocked along with other major areas of the brain that soon will result in many side effects. Therefore, is it really worth it to enhance your senses??? Cant we just train ourselves to naturally enhance these senses? Sometimes when I'm done meditating, i will walk outside and be SO much more aware of my surroundings, i'll hear every little sound and be able to piece everything together. it's almost a feeling that i cannot describe in words. As far as i know, meditating doesnt have any negative side effects... so i think i'll stick to that instead of taking a chemical that you really have no clue what is in it unless you are making it yourself... i believe that i've heard that sometimes formaldehyde will be found in weed because it helps it to get it's "sticky" quality... hrmmm i think i can do without that and that's just weed, God only knows what is in some acid hits/LSD/shrooms.

[PeacefulWarrior]

I think "drugs" as an experience (and I am thinking of psychadelic drugs in particularly, because I think most stimulants such as cocain, meth, etc. as well as other drugs such as nicotine are PURE junk and have no good effects), anyway, drugs like any experience can have negative or positive effects.  I think the negative far outweighs the positive however... for example, if the effect they have on you is to do more and more of them, then well, you're sucked in and are going to destory yourself eventually (either spiritually, physically or mentally, or all three).

Having said all that, I state unequivocally that drugs offer a quick, easy and unpure/defilesway to open the doors of perception.  In fact they don't usually open the doors, they throw them open and what is left is usually a convulted experience that can lead to awide variety of reactions, everything from temporary enlightenment to suicide.

Below are some links to a couple of discussions we have had regarding this matter here in the forum in the past:



http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2791&SearchTerms=drugs

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=360&SearchTerms=psychadelics

[Rob]

drugs....hmm. Every type under the sun, lots of variety so kinda hard to say "drugs are bad" or "drugs are good" - most are somewhere between. Then you have to consider excessive usage and the potential for such excess.

Two examples - heroin = bad, period.
but iboga/ibogaine = good, period - I have said this before, will say it again. Anyone who thinks are drugs are bad, or when you add it up no drugs is really worth it, go do some research on this plant. I plan to try some in the future, money, supply and God permitting! Wonderful wondferful stuff, and most who try it only take it once in their lifetime.

Got some ketamine once, had a few really very interesting experiences on it. eg I was able to get into the vibrational state very easily, but the problem with something like this, is that you would have to keep a strong will to get anything like an OBE on purpose, which is unlikely (this is typical for most drugs IMO - the fact that you are "high" makes it much more difficult to purposefully get anything useful done). Learned a lot from that stuff, would like to try it again at some point.

I have to say this, and please I don't want anyone to think that I am being harsh, but the people who claim drugs have no true useful purpose (often who haven't even tried drugs), are demeaning all shamanic cultures and the people who walk those paths to the status of well meaning idiots....which is blatently untrue and unfair.
That said, there are some drugs which are sacred, and shouldn't (in many cases - can't) be used to get "high" - eg some varieties of mushrooms don't like being messed with, Ayahuasca, Peyote, Iboga, salvia divinorum, etc. These are shamanic drugs and often have their own consciousness (eg many people who take iboga come to meet the spirit of iboga - from interview on dreamland - who calls himself "primordial wisdom teacher").

Bill Hicks...what a dude!

laters
Rob <---one who used to smoke a lot of pot, hey it was easier than living.....fun for a while, but left me a mess.
Oh, on weed, I think it dissociates you from your body and opens up interesting portions of your mind. Trouble with drugs is if done too often, those affected portions stay closed during normal waking life. Excess is not good!

[monicat777]

Hey people, it's been awhile. I have a few comments on this here post.In the past we had a *K* (ketanine)thread. I definately didn't reccomend that particular substance.

POT= how long and how much can you really do before you are a retard?lol It does have negative effects on your brain. If you do a lot and in frequency.  BUt in MODERATION-hey whatever! This is a good one for those of us with tantra partners!!
BOOZE=BAD no spiritual nothin with that one.
LSD=get off the chemical short bus and come on over to the shroomie-lounge.  YAY i love the fact that to get the trippy part onto paper you get to use things like rat poision.  You never know what your going to get so save yourself the back ache and find somthing else. I mean if your going to do it you might as well do it right!!!
Mescaline=holy maccaroni you better be ready and you better be in a place where someone with experience can watch your butt. and people this is not a party drug don't insult Mescalito..you will be sorry..lol
Shrooms=obviously i am a fan.  MODERATION that is my word for the day.
mushrooms saved my spiritual life and i know a lot of people have been saying these things only open new doorways and whatnot. I didn't just open a doorway..I kicked it down and went right on down the hall! And what i experienced really woke me up and changed me.

I don't think I heard anyone mention speed or other really stupid drugs insinuating that they are good?? That being said...
I'm not saying everone should do drugs to "open their minds". I really believe you can go far without. I don't think however that any of us would be on this site if we hadn't had at least one truely moving spiritual experience. And the god's honest truth is certain drugs can superglue your minds-eye wide open. (sometimes for a mere second and sometimes forever) I feel like I've done enough of everything.  I may want to shroom again at some point.  That's the other thing you can really only go soo far with drugs. eventually you just live by what you've learned and do that sober or else it's really just a drug thing.  I like what that one guy said in this thread about a postcard.  If anyone is reading this and thinking about doing drugs...I implore you..stay away from chemical anything! Anyway..I'm sorry if I sound preachy. This is just something I have personal experience with. And I've really seen the downside too.(with chemicals and man-made synth. type stuff) never with the naturals though. oh my god i am psychobabbling..i hope i added something to this thread.lol

[Epsilon]

quote:LOL! It wouldn't happen to be a bottle of cough syrup would it...? haha! I did the same thing. It contains a substance called dextromethemphormine (DXM). and whoa was it ever an experience, best trip i've ever had so far, I could see whatever I wanted! It was great, I though I was about to project while meditating/raising energy, but nothing happened. Some people say it makes them spontaniously project and they also see aliens and stuff, heh. I could see my own stringy, sapy aura around my hands, too, playing with it like I did in elementary schools with Elmor's glue from hand to hand

[] Yep, it was Robotussin.  Robotussin Max Strength Cough to be exact... it's the only Robotussin that contains ONLY DXM which is the only kind of 'tussin you should take.  I've robo-tripped a couple times.  The last time I did it I had trouble getting and keeping it down though [V]

Has anyone here actually ever tried salvia divinorum?

[lateralus897]

Salvia Divinorum. I'm so interested in trying it out, after reading everything on sagerwidom.org. I'm getting ready to order some, and I'm talkin to people who want in. I talked to a kid at work today, said he did it before. Smoked a powder, which i assume was just grinded out leaves. He said something differnt from what I expected though. He simply started laughing at everything, for about 5min, couldnt stop. I think this had something to do with the placebo effect, I think he surpressed the real effects.

For those who don't know, salvia is the most natural drug you'll ever hear about. It induces spiritual experiences (inner journeys, astral experiences) and is usually associated with profound realizations and life lessons. It's cheaper than marijuana, non habit forming, and it's legal (except in australia...)! I'm very curious, the website, www.sagewisdom.org, has got me way too interested not to try it. If I do have an experience, I will share in this forum (in a new topic).

[What Tha Phak]

Just as I presumed,  most people in this thread have stereo-typed the mere word "drugs" to the extreme..

sublime,
 

quote:In the meantime, their brain cells are getting rocked along with other major areas of the brain that soon will result in many side effects. Therefore, is it really worth it to enhance your senses??? Cant we just train ourselves to naturally enhance these senses? Sometimes when I'm done meditating, i will walk outside and be SO much more aware of my surroundings, i'll hear every little sound and be able to piece everything together. it's almost a feeling that i cannot describe in words. As far as i know, meditating doesnt have any negative side effects... so i think i'll stick to that instead of taking a chemical that you really have no clue what is in it unless you are making it yourself... i believe that i've heard that sometimes formaldehyde will be found in weed because it helps it to get it's "sticky" quality... hrmmm i think i can do without that and that's just weed, God only knows what is in some acid hits/LSD/shrooms.

You know, there are drugs out there that do not kill brain cells.  Marijuana, for example does not kill your brain cells, despite the old wives' tale.  Studies have shown that your IQ does indeed drop while high, and especially after frequent use (I'm talking at least once a day for a few months; pretty much all my friends fall in that description).  BUT it returns back to normal once all the THC has cleared out of the system; there is absolutely no proof say that marijuana kills your brain cells. It simply does not happen; it temperarly alters your conscious and awareness.  

Of course we could train our senses to experience these umm... experiences... but why not "check out the postcard" and see right off the bat, I see no harm in shrooms it once.

I agree with you on the meditation, there is (personally) for sure
an elevated awareness and senses affect when I meditate, and nothing can beat the ultimate gains from meditation.  There is on drug that can mimic weeks and weeks of accumlated meditation.  It is the conscious, clear mind which is the key.  Always, after about 20 minutes or more of meditation, my whole vision has this peculier blue/indigo hue to everything I see.  I also read how the third eye chakra's energy/color is this indigo color.  I wonder if this co-relates with my brow energy.... and coming through my vision...?

When you speak negatively about "chemicals" you must also dislike everything around you then... EVERYTHING has it own unique chemicals or particles in it, right down to the air you breath and the "natural" food you eat.

What is Formaldehyde? I have never heard of it, nor aware of it being in the (superb) bud that I buy.  That Stickyness is actually the potentcy of the THC amount in the plant. You can even see the little THC crystals on really potent weed. (the chronic)

As for shrooms, they are 100% natural and contain a substance already found in the brain, it just gives the brain a surplus surge (depending on amount) of it's own ability- to the extreme!

These definately have their positive and negative sides, as do everything in the universe.  A shroom head might just get lost in his own imagination in his regular, waking state.  An acid head (200-300+ hits) would probably see non-stop tracers and have absolutely no conscious memory, and being consciously aware of it!  Would not make you necessarliy "dumb."  But a perfect example of a drug that makes a person really, seriously stupid would be E (ecstacy).. There's so many drugs in it; heroin, speed, coke, you name it.  It literally fries your brain brain cells and making the effected area black and brown from this "deadly acid" to the brain.  The "association" areas of the brain (the 90% of the brain used for planning, comprehension, memory, ect.) are particularly affected; this is what makes a person "dumb." The other 10% are the "motor" areas, controlling the voluntary and involuntary movements of the body (such as running, talking, digestion, sexual arousal, ect.)

Trust me on this stuff, I'm a majoring in Psych.



Inguma, what is Ketamine classified as?  Do you have any drug related sites other than Erowid.org?



Monicat777, how about sharing some shroom trips you've had, that would be neat.



lateralus897, Salvia Divinorum huh? never heard of it.  You should tel us about your experience when you do it  It's funny to note how dramatically the placebo effect can have on people.  I'll have to check out this drug myself.