So when we die...h?

[123mac123]

Please share your beliefs whatever they may be, Im hoping to hear a spiritual repsonce, but if it relates to religion, by all means don't hold back. (I like to think there is a god, or a source, or a creator, please share in your responce if you agree)

Im basically wondering if when we do, do we cycle to another human life? Do we remain like who we were in our past lives (if reincarnation is the case) do we develop from life to life becoming a better spiriual being?

Or is life here a one time thing and then when we die we develop as spiritual beings?

again thanks for any replies, they will be very helpful.

[Homesick]

I don't have much of a beliefs other than what i can take from my experiences.

I believe we have this ego, thinking/feeling side here in physical along with our consciousness, our true self at the background. Thus as we die our ego dies but our true being continues to exist... somewhere for some time until we decide to come back for reason or other beyond understanding of ego.

How familiar one is with true being and how one relates to ego probably determines initial experience after death, be it a dream like state where one kind of dwells in the past life until ready to let go fully or if there's nothing holding back... i don't know, have to wait and see

Endless possibilityes really.

[ArmyOfOne1911]

When I pass away I won't becoming back to this place I will tell you that right now! I will most likely want to help other beings in the astrals and on the physical. But I also would like to visit earth periodically as well. As well as other worlds. After all the earth is a beautiful place. But, people on the other hand... (Violence, war, poverty, sickness, etc) Can make it seem not to great. I want to be a helper. I also want to keep learning but NEVER lose my personality. I don't really believe in reincarnation unless YOU want to. Then I believe you can come back to earth. Not this guy!!! Even though I have SO much I intend to still do while I am here on the physical. I believe you are going to do what you want to do. I am not a religious guy, but I am spiritual beyond no other. I never used to be... But I sure am now. I think there very well could be a god. I think Jesus walked the earth and he was a good man but not what the bible says. I believe that there is evil, but I don't believe that you will go to a fire like world and burn for eternity if you are bad on this world and don't believe what the bible says etc... I believe in god. Not religion. But that is just me! Who knows. That's just my own opinion though based on people I have talked to and my experiences!

-Cody

[FarceAdentus]

123mac123 , what you are is not really just the little you that you see when you look in the mirror.
You are something much larger. You are an incredibly large Being. A being full of incredible energy and vitality.
So much so that, in fact you cannot manifest all your glorious energy into one person in one dimension.
So you divide yourself up and send them forth into worlds for the purpose of Experience.

Look at a tree. The tree is a symbol. notice how the tree comes from one large stem, the source, and divides itself up as it rises up from the ground.
The tree is a symbol for the structure of the Universe and Consciousness.
Everything comes from a total large Being, God , ALL THAT IS, call it what you want. But for the purpose of experience and fulfilment, it divides itself up into smaller and smaller parts to experience BEING in varied and infinite forms.
So you, are a part of larger Being, which in turn is a part of larger gestalts/groupings of Energy/Consciousness.

Just as you now in this world create your life according to your BELIEFS.
So in the next the rule will be initially the same, your experience will follow your beliefs of what is possible.
Eventually though the beliefs will be dropped because beliefs are a phenomena that only exists in a physical world.

And... you will do precisely what YOU WANT TO DO, just as in this World, you do PRECISELY AS YOU WANT.
If you want to be born again to re-experience Life on the Earth you will, if you want to venture to new worlds, you will.
YOU ARE THE MASTER. ALWAYS.
Remember that, and Enjoy yourself

[CFTraveler]

Please share your beliefs whatever they may be, Im hoping to hear a spiritual repsonce, but if it relates to religion, by all means don't hold back. (I like to think there is a god, or a source, or a creator, please share in your responce if you agree)

Im basically wondering if when we do, do we cycle to another human life? Do we remain like who we were in our past lives (if reincarnation is the case) do we develop from life to life becoming a better spiriual being?

Or is life here a one time thing and then when we die we develop as spiritual beings?

again thanks for any replies, they will be very helpful.

My latest theory is that after we die, we go to an area where we relive whatever we need to relive to process any unresolved stuff.  This can take a long time or a short time, as time is relative in this phase of being.  This can include 'heaven' or 'hell', depending on the situation- it is self created and actually for processing, not punishment or reward.  Then, depending on what happened while you were incarnated, you may decide to reincarnate, or stay in this middle world to assist other souls in their transition.  At some point you have transcended this 'middle' area and either reincarnate or simply move on to a less 'temporal' place that I have no understanding of.  Some call it 'merging with the Source', and this sounds pretty good to me.

[ArmyOfOne1911]

Is anyone here familiar with focus 10? I think is what it's called. It was mentioned in a book by Robert Monroe. Can someone explain this to me?

[CFTraveler]

Focus ten is trance- when you're still 'there' but haven't switched to a 3-D space.  I believe there is an excellent focus 10 to 12 article written by either Ashes or Fred, you may want to search it here in the forums.  BTW, you should ask this in it's own thread..

[ArmyOfOne1911]

Thanks CFT. I will make a topic!

[Alex-Anderson]

I often wondered if the purpose of OBE's were to indirectly prepare you towards death – i.e. to educate and amplify your conscious awareness. For instance anytime I have an OBE, be it ones that happen through dreams or uncontrolled I'm aware that I'm having an OBE, and have developed tests to grasp my awareness within that zone.  I often wonder if I would use those same test approaches if I should die and maybe be shocked in realising that there is no going back.
 
I don't have any beliefs that there is some sort of religious or spiritual path we follow, but perhaps wonder if the path is more of an organic mechanical one – more aligned with nature. However I have never made any attempts during my journeys to explore this idea but maybe this is something I should aim to do.
 

[Boom]

Spent a lot of time soul searching this exact question.  The fact is, nobody knows. People can talk about different focus levels. Kepples Focus 3 was supposed to pretty much be the same gradiants as the afterlife.  I have also read many acounts of near death experiences.  What I have realised is that Astral Projection gives no proof as to what happens in life after death.  There has been accounts of poeple who have apparantly talked to deceased ones.  But unless you find out information from someone that way, that could never have been known in the physical. Then there could always have been a way.

However, it is my opinion, that the evidence of existence after death is all around us.  Nothing is destroyed or created. Merely converted.  That is a princple law of the universe.  Everything is converted and everything is energy. You boil a kettle, the water turns into steam, it condenses and falls back as water.  If someone was to die, and their conciousness, personality, memories, their very being was to suddenly just be destroyed without a trace, then to me that would go against the princple laws of the universe. 

Death is merely a conversion from this state, to another state.   We don't fully know what that state is, and I believe that an NDE only gives us a quick glimpse through a peep hole at it.  The fact is, we simply do not know.  Religion is merely an interpretation of a possibility. No religion has any proof or groundings of it claims. They are simply belief systems.

[CFTraveler]

Spent a lot of time soul searching this exact question.  The fact is, nobody knows. People can talk about different focus levels. Kepples Focus 3 was supposed to pretty much be the same gradiants as the afterlife.  I have also read many acounts of near death experiences.  What I have realised is that Astral Projection gives no proof as to what happens in life after death.  There has been accounts of poeple who have apparantly talked to deceased ones.  But unless you find out information from someone that way, that could never have been known in the physical. Then there could always have been a way.

However, it is my opinion, that the evidence of existence after death is all around us.  Nothing is destroyed or created. Merely converted.  That is a princple law of the universe.  Everything is converted and everything is energy. You boil a kettle, the water turns into steam, it condenses and falls back as water.  If someone was to die, and their conciousness, personality, memories, their very being was to suddenly just be destroyed without a trace, then to me that would go against the princple laws of the universe. 

Death is merely a conversion from this state, to another state.   We don't fully know what that state is, and I believe that an NDE only gives us a quick glimpse through a peep hole at it.  The fact is, we simply do not know.  Religion is merely an interpretation of a possibility. No religion has any proof or groundings of it claims. They are simply belief systems.

I agree with all your points.

[Everlasting]

You live and die countless times,  then at some point you may rank up to higher dimensions and eventually perhaps you become a creator god and get to create a universe.

[Contenteo]

123mac123 -

The short answer-
As you pass away you fully enter the "astral realm"- an equal and opposite equivalent of what you know as the physical reality. You are released back into latent energy...completely liberated matter.

The astral, your consciousness, is simply the English thingification of the "where" you experience when you attempt a projection/dream/die/etc. Hence why the term "dissociating" works so well when describing the phasing process.

Note: Getting boggled is normal when you are trying to conceptualize the infinite. Don't change the constraints to make a mental construct easier. You are making and equal and opposite reality of everything you know. It's going to be tough.

The syntax. Just keep looking for the other side of the duality. As soon as you know something, anything, there is a equal opposite to it. Yes, for infinity. That's the elegance.
"To truly know you must also know not."

And to give you and instance:
Understanding the concept of gravity is easy. It is a physical constraint. It is understanding a world with no gravity whatsoever that is difficult. Imagine. Total equal latent energy. Everywhere, always. But their version of entropy doesn't attempt to smooth all matter out, rather, it attempts to localize it like gravity. Difficult, eh? That is only one of dozens of new constraints you must pile on top of one another to get the representationally faithful picture you desire.

N'ull sweet on your modeling.

Cheers,
Contenteo

[AndrewTheSinger]

According to many ancient traditions and what we hear from near-death experiencers, when the body dies the soul is met by those who exist invisibly and address the soul on account of its works, knowledge, and character.

[gerard66]

You will be reborn (consciousness never really stops) into a form according to your karma (past and present actions). The ego is also imprinted in your consciousness but as a result of so many lifetime experiences it will have countless "faces" to give it a name as they can be seen by someone with a psychic "reading" ability.

Regards.

[pondini]

in the first link below nanci danison had a tremendous NDE that doesn't really address your entire question, but she discusses reincarnation in the second link (watch all parts to both interviews).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFDI-jgFVqs

http://www.youtube.com/user/NanciDanison#p/u/17/XxrSAnpoT6o

tom campbell talks about the transition from one life to the next somewhere in the video below. i tend to 'believe' him because he has reviewed his past lives from the point of death to the point of rebirth -at least that is the impression i got from his explanation. actually, i think he talks about it in part 3. tom is a physicist who has been exploring the larger reality for 40 years. imo he is one of the few fully truthful people talking about this type of stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/user/twcjr44#p/u/30/6zVk-wbG8Wk