2 questions

[clarkxkent]

I have 2 questions

1.Is there a difference between AP and and a OBE?

2. I get to sleep paralysis easily but I can't do anything after that. What am I doing wrong and what do I need to improve on?

[Szaxx]

Hi,
These Q's are so basic. The best thing to do is research.
Google sobt.pdf
Have a good read and many of your questions will be answered.
As you can easily get to the SP state you could be out there within a week or so.
Enjoy.

[NoY]

1: one is a location one is a state of mind AP is astral projection IE a projection to the place called the astral planes, obe is any time your primary focus is apparently outside your body, not all obe happen in the astral planes other than that there is no difference

2:sleep paralysis vibrations hallucinations are all road signs that show you your beginning to dissociate with your physical senses, you will have to practice until you recognise the sweet spot or when you are ready to separate

:NoY:

[Xanth]

To me they are the same thing.
As for your second question...  Research "intent"

[Pauli2]

1. Very little difference to me, unless you really decide to define OBE and AP
to be different things.

S Muldoon defined AP as a sort of environment we sometimes call RTZ OBE as
he didn't seem to enter any "astral"/nonphysical reality while out of body.

Perhaps during the 1930ies, AP got competition with the concept out-of-the-body,
as no one really could say what the "astral" was, other than it seemed to be of
nonphysical character and possible marked by religious connotation. Oliver Fox
is one OBEer, I think, who used the concept in that way as he did experience
both RTZ, reality fluctuations, Astral Wind and astral worlds similar to Monroe's
F 25 (towns with the typical electric trams of his days).

Today people seem to use AP as the word for going directly into a nonphysical reality
without moving through the physical or RTZ. And often OBE is used for both movements
in the RTZ and in the nonphysical, possible because Monroe used the word OBE in such
a fashion.


2. Can you define a little more exactly what you mean with sleep paralysis? Reason to
my question is that in recent time some forum members have used the expression without
any paralysis at all and (to my surprise) have gotten moderator support for that new
definition.

The wiki is not complete but is more close to my experience of SP ->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

[Stookie_]

To be literal: An astral projection is when you project your awareness into the astral realm (not RTZ or mental plane, strictly astral). An OBE is any experience where you feel you are out of your body.

[Szaxx]

Hi,
Pauli, have a read of C W Leadbeater's book, Clairvoyance.
Written around 1900, the astral was known quite well. It probably wasn't discussed much outside of his society and may not have been known generally.

[clarkxkent]

Hi,
These Q's are so basic. The best thing to do is research.
Google sobt.pdf
Have a good read and many of your questions will be answered.
As you can easily get to the SP state you could be out there within a week or so.
Enjoy.

Wow this book is amazing! Thank you soooo much!

[Szaxx]

Hi,
Give respect to the author, it's his work. I can't find anything incorrect within it. I've been travelling the realms since 1965 and this book cleared up some questions for me.
Another recommended read is Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce.
It's very informative on energy work if you know little on this subject. Read this after the other one.
Enjoy again.

[roman67]

Hi,
These Q's are so basic. The best thing to do is research.
Google sobt.pdf
Have a good read and many of your questions will be answered.
As you can easily get to the SP state you could be out there within a week or so.
Enjoy.

Ya, I have also seen this book. Seems very interesting and I think this book will solve my queries also.

[clarkxkent]

Hi,
Give respect to the author, it's his work. I can't find anything incorrect within it. I've been travelling the realms since 1965 and this book cleared up some questions for me.
Another recommended read is Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce.
It's very informative on energy work if you know little on this subject. Read this after the other one.
Enjoy again.

Uhhh wait were you talking about this book?
http://www.integralbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/SOBT_MichaelRaduga.pdf

or this book
http://obe4u.com/files/SOBT.pdf

[Xanth]

Both.

I think Michael recently updated his book.

With that said, I do highly suggest staying away from his interpretation of the non-physical (or as he calls it, The Phase) and stick with just his techniques... his indirect techniques to be precise.  They're solid.

Experience the non-physical many times... THEN create your own opinion on what it is.

[catmeow]

Hi,
Pauli, have a read of C W Leadbeater's book, Clairvoyance.
Written around 1900, the astral was known quite well. It probably wasn't discussed much outside of his society and may not have been known generally.

Of course, Oliver Fox studied Theosophy, so I'm guessing he would have read the works of C W Leadbeater, Annie Besant, Helen Blavatsky etc, who were all Theosophists and popularised the term "Astral".

[clarkxkent]

Another question: Can indirect techniques only be practiced in the morning after you wake up?

[Xanth]

Another question: Can indirect techniques only be practiced in the morning after you wake up?

They can be practiced after anytime you've slept.
Morning... afternoon... even if you wake up in the middle of the night.

[clarkxkent]

Alright another question: When I go to sleep should I use an alarm? And if I do what should I set it too? On the guidebook it says 6 hours after you wake up and when you do that get outta bed for a couple minutes and then try AP. But I think it said in another part every 2 hours.

[Szaxx]

Hi,
You know your body and the alarm should be set an hour or two before you'd  normally get up.
As a reference,6 hours may be ok for some people. In my case It'd go off while I was at work. 5 hours sleep being typical for 4 days each week.
We are all different with sleep some need 10 hours (or they suffer) others survive with less than 5.
Averaging things out doesn't work for everyone in respect of the hours read.
You need to awaken with that feeling of ' Its too early, let me sleep a little longer', somewhat groggy and not fully rested.
Then trying is so much easier as your body is energised enough for an attempt without it sinking you into deep sleep.
Its also the easiest time as the noise levels are reduced and interference from others is at a minimum.
.

[clarkxkent]

Hi,
You know your body and the alarm should be set an hour or two before you'd  normally get up.
As a reference,6 hours may be ok for some people. In my case It'd go off while I was at work. 5 hours sleep being typical for 4 days each week.
We are all different with sleep some need 10 hours (or they suffer) others survive with less than 5.
Averaging things out doesn't work for everyone in respect of the hours read.
You need to awaken with that feeling of ' Its too early, let me sleep a little longer', somewhat groggy and not fully rested.
Then trying is so much easier as your body is energised enough for an attempt without it sinking you into deep sleep.
Its also the easiest time as the noise levels are reduced and interference from others is at a minimum.
.

I sleep with my fan on the highest level for noise. Should I turn it off?