Spontaneous nightime OBE's - sleep deprivation

[sororenotis]

I haven't jogged over to the introduction section of the message board just yet.  I just gave birth to my first son a week ago and sneaking a moment of computer time between feedings and while his dad is sleeping.
*yes* mommy quiet time!  Needless to say, this will be brief and may leave a lot of holes.

SUmmary:
Starting at the age of 14, I've always had spontaneous OBE's. Sometime into late teenage hood, I had started reading Astral Projection materials, but rarely found anything on Spontaneous OBE's  much less with the same "symptoms" of OBE's as I was having until my grandmother sent me a copy of Astral Dynamics, which fit everything to a T! .   During the daytime, when I'm napping, I didn't have a lot of problems just letting them ride.  At night, though, the feeling of Vibrations and the sounds that go with that- the mind split process, for some reason is very scary and desctructive to me trying to go to sleep. No matter how many times I break the cycle and try rolling over into different positions, it just starts up again. The end result has been insomnia and sleep deprivation.  Oftentimes I would just let them go. The ones I don't like though, are the ones that are so intense going into them that my body feels like its being racked on the inside.

My husband and I decided to concieve a child in March of this year.  2 months into my pregnancy, my spontaneous OBE's stopped.  Piffled out, gone!   I couldn't even have WILLED Obe's. They just ceased to exist. No biggie. My sleep was the best its ever been pregnant partly because of this. (until the last few weeks that is.. hehe - that had more to do with the 9 pound child I was carrying than anything else!)

The night I came home from the hospital, I had my first spontaneous OBE  in several months. I got up and got something to eat and went to bed, two turn overs and a breastfeeding later, it stopped and I got a good nap in between feedings.
At naptime today, I had one, but it was no big deal. (The mind-split part of the OBE is not as intense during the day) If I remember correctly from the book I read, I believe the term that Robert Bruce used was mind split.)   I can't find the darn thing because I packed it when we moved a year ago and its in a box of books waiting for a bookshelf.

Anyway. I've had one every night since I've been home and they're beginning to increase in intensity and Im starting to worry about them going back to the way they used to be (no getting out of it unless I just stay up) I'm already sleep deprived as it is with a new baby.

If anyone has any experience with intense spontaneous OBE's can you please give me some tips on how you deal with them? Its been several months since I've had to deal with these and my coping skills need to be re-learned.

Thanks
Tristan

[Michael_E]

Hi Tristian!,

Congrats to you on the birth of your child and welcome to the forums.

I too had some serious problems with spontaneous oobe disrupting my normal sleep cycle around the same age you mentioned too. A couple of things i did to "treat" myself a little was to grab and hug a pillow upon going to sleep dont know why that helped but it did. sleeping on my stomach helped  in the begining but they  started occurring even then, my rtz/astral would roll over on its back within my physical and shoot out. Also eating right before going to bed helped sometimes, but then i would feel kind of gross from that when i woke up. What worked the best for me was to drop the topic of astral projection and everything i had associated with it, even then they still occured everynow and then but the rate at they were occuring was much less and tolerant.

A draw back from dropping the topic all together, and this may not happen to you, was that once i came back to it several of years later i would have trouble getting any results at all. This was partly due to the fact that i developed a flinch to the naturally occuring dropping sensations that would trigger the exit, and now that i am consciously trying to have oobe i still flinch, it can be frustrating. So, please, if you are interested in controlling your oobes, or decide to drop astral projection all together and come back to it later, dont  try to stop the spontaneous projections by force, mental or physical now. it doesnt really work that well as a way to stop them anyway, right?They just seem to happen wether you like it or not. you can save yourself some time and frustration in the future by avoiding developing a self conditioned flinch response. so please dont force them to stop try some of the things i wrote in first paragraph and see if it works. Im sure there are people here who can give you some good advice on this if what i said doesnt work.

[sororenotis]

Dear Michael
Thanks for the congrats and welcome!
Sleeping on my stomache actually is a big trigger for my OBE's that might be why I didn't have them after 2 months of pregnancy. However, when I started having them the first night home, I wasn't sleeping on my belly.

I've actually invested a great deal of time with voluntary and joint OBE's in the post and helping others learn the art of Astral Projection in the OBE sense. Dropping the subject completly is not an option.  I know, its pretty sad that I am helping other people attempt Astral Projection, but can't control my own frikkin spontaneous OOBE's. :/

I have a fairly good record of triggers for my OBE's that I use to induce an OBE, but I haven't quite gotten the triggers down to STOP a spontaneous one. The triggers for voluntary OBE's are different than the involuntary ones.

Im certain there is a link in there somewhere, just haven't found it yet. HOWEVER, I did find out the last two nights that showering before going to bed is seemingly working. (Normally I've showered about 2 hours before bedtime, I did so within an hour the last two nights, but it could just be a coincidence.

Thanks again.

[sororenotis]

I have noticed though that nights that I have spontaneous OBE's, my ears were ringing a bit before bedtime. But not the normal ringing you hear in your ears, its like a deeper ringing.

I know this sounds stupid, but I've actually gotten so frustrated with my sleeping problems I tried to admit myself into a sleep lab out of fear that what I was actually having were Petymal seizures.  I've seen medical doctors because of my sleeping issues. No, I don't mention the word OBE, just all the symptoms.  Sleep lab runs 4 grand with insurance. Thats not in the budget this year unfortunatly

[sororenotis]

The violent nature of the vibrations I experience at night is shared by my mother and my grandmother.  My sister has only experienced them once and that was during my very first OBE experience and it was a joint OBE experience with my sister when we were separated when I was 14.   She told my mother about her experience before I moved to Dallas to live with then. When I told my mother about mine when I returned thats when she recounted my sisters story.

I guess she told my Grandmother, because she called me and since we have talked off and on about OBE's and shes been of great assistance to me.  My mother doesn't talk about them much, She's just asked me about them on occasion and mentioned a few of her experiences.  She's one of those people that have her feet firmly planted on the ground and believes thats where they should stay.

Thank you for the advice. I'll definatly try your suggestions.   I recently got some Alpha-Beta mind wave tapes at the advice of my husband to try and relax me more before I drift off to sleep.

Tristan
-It was one of those days when it's a minute away from snowing. And there's this electricity in the air, you can almost hear it right? And this bag was just... dancing with me... Like a little kid begging me to play with it. For fifteen minutes. That's the day I realized that there was this entire life behind things, and this incredibly benevolent force that wanted me to know there was no reason to be afraid, ever. Video's a poor excuse, I know. But it helps me remember... I need to remember. Sometimes there's so much beauty in the world I feel like I can't take it... and my heart is going to cave in.-