state of consioussness needed for exit?????

[ralphm]

someone on another forum said you should focus your awareness outside of your body. i haven't quiet figured how to do that, but i think it would work cause i can lay there and cycle those vibrations around for and hour or so.
on rereading your post it actually sounds like you start to exit but don't?

[YoungAncient]

quote:focus your awareness outside of your body. i haven't quiet figured how to do that

It's simple. First, focus your [tactile] attention on any part of your body. Then, slowly move attention to another part. Remember your feeling when moving. Then try to continue move attention farther - outside of your body.

It's like feel dimensions of your car, when driving at high-usage street - your awarenness is extended, in fact - out of your body in that case.

Sorry for my english

[Patty]

According to Astral Dynamics, the exit is a reflex.  So you don't have to consciously do it - you just have to trigger the reflex.

So in my opinion the best place to do that is from the passive state - I am guessing that as you focus on an action like moving your etheric body, you subconsciously strengthen the bonds that keep your etheric body in your physical body.

THis leads to the question - how to trigger the reflex? You could try the bounce technique that Robert writes about, you could ask for help from nonphysical guides, you could try to maintain your focus at some point outside your body, you could try some sort of focused prayer (or any combination)   -----  I know from experience that it seems like you're at the door knocking and no one is letting you out, but perhaps that just means that with patience and continued practice it will happen?

ps in my experience, it IS a reflex -  I will think that I am ready for liftoff and try these sorts of things  that I mentioned - and eventually fall asleep only to become aware (FULLY aware) out of body a while later.  SO in my opinion there is something still anchoring your etheric body that you have to find a way around.

Patty

[rodentmouse]

i felt my whole body was out, but i could feel my right calf stuck in my body, i have  a  constant muscle tension in it, how can i get around this?

[Patty]

Try physical stretching/relaxation through the day. Try the awareness hands techniques to clear blockages there when you meditate.

I've had remarkable results with the awareness/energy techniques that Robert suggests - thinmgs like physical manifestations of cleared channels and amazing new sense of energy movement through the chakras.

I'm  confused - does your post mean that you have figured out your first question here?  have you made progress in the last couple days?

Patty

[rodentmouse]

no, but the replies have encouraged me to explore them both myself a bit more, and find the most logical route.  thanks for you help everyone

[rodentmouse]

to clear up my previous "HELP with consioussenss" post, i have simplified my problem.....
i get to the point when i know its time to exit, (because it seems most logical to) but i can switch between either a passive/non- thinking state of mind, or i can concentrate on feeling my body  rise/ exit etc....
the confusion is,  for the few   seconds  i can maintain non-thought  i feel the vibrations become more intense,  but when i concentrate i  can feel my body rising.  Each of these ways i can use both have the same criteria for an OBE which are   ++ non-thought vibrations++     OR     ++concentrating on rising++  

help???