It was morning, almost time to get up. I was having a succession of false awakenings - I get out of bed, start doing something, realise I'm still asleep, get out of bed again and so on... (these are quite typical for me). I finally realised I should be using this state to project. So I simply got up and out of my body.
The getting out part was very "real", as if I was there standing on my bed physically only that I knew it wasn't the physical. I was having some vision problem and I opened my eyes (which has happened often to me), but I quickly understood that it's the wrong thing to do, so I closed them again. I was still out of body, but still having this vision problem - I can't even exactly remember what it was like. So I thought I should get away from my bedroom and the only place I could immediately think of was "in front of the house". I was transported to the street just outside the house and at this point things turned weird. This bit is difficult to explain, but I'll try.
I wanted to go into the grocery store on the other side of the street, but instead of moving into it with my "astral body", if you will, I was just looking at a rectangular frame. It was a lot like playing a 3D computer game: there's a screen in front of you and on it you see what the main character sees and you can move them around. That's pretty much what I saw, only that I didn't interpret it as a computer screen, but just some "frame of vision". (I rarely play computer games these days.) Also, from this point on, it did not feel like an OOBE anymore, but rather a forced visualisation, like "okay, let's walk through that aisle" and then I imagine walking through that particular aisle. I wasn't "in" the experience anymore, I was just intently visualising and watching it through this frame thing. I tried walking around the store, but it just didn't feel real, it felt forced and even a bit disappointing. So I think at this point I voluntarily ended the experience.
So, what was this? Has anyone had similar experiences? What should I do if it occurs again?
Thanks!
This may of been a dream and not a o.b.e. ,I have had a few . I had one where I was takken to a past life , I dont know if it was real or just my mind at play . desert rat
You have already told that you realized that you were still asleep. I also think that it was a dream.
Thanks for the replies!
Quote from: desert-rat on July 26, 2012, 22:09:16
This may of been a dream and not a o.b.e. ,I have had a few . I had one where I was takken to a past life , I dont know if it was real or just my mind at play . desert rat
To be honest I don't think it was just a dream. I mean I was fully conscious and used my false awakening as an opportunity to leave my body. The first part (the exit) was very much like any other OOBE I've had. I guess it could have been an OOBE that faded into a dream, but why would that happen if I didn't lose one bit of my awareness?
Quote from: roman67 on July 27, 2012, 00:35:57
You have already told that you realized that you were still asleep. I also think that it was a dream.
Sorry, I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say, or perhaps I didn't explain it well. The realising that I am awake part happened during the false awakenings. After that I used the mind awake/body asleep state to project. At this point I was making conscious decisions and all, so again, it does not seem like a dream.
Quote from: keyangen on July 27, 2012, 21:25:39
The realising that I am awake part happened during the false awakenings. After that I used the mind awake/body asleep state to project.
At this point I was making conscious decisions and all, so again, it does not seem like a dream.
Either it was not a false awakening or I just don't understand you.
A false awakening is when you think you have woken up, but you are
still dreaming, you are in a dream, just regular dreaming. You are
_not_ awake, you are still dreaming in a false awakening (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_awakening).
Hi,
You could be in the RTZ too. I remember being hungry and searching the house for a sweet tasty. Looking through shelves I found a hidden box of chocolates. My brother and I went on a raiding party many times in the mornings. We were 5 and 6 years old respectively always knowing where things were hidden. Think and ye shall find...
Definately NOT a dream.
Quote from: keyangenAlso, from this point on, it did not feel like an OOBE anymore, but rather a forced visualisation, like "okay, let's walk through that aisle" and then I imagine walking through that particular aisle. I wasn't "in" the experience anymore, I was just intently visualising and watching it through this frame thing. I tried walking around the store, but it just didn't feel real, it felt forced and even a bit disappointing. So I think at this point I voluntarily ended the experience.
Well I believe I understand this. Sometimes, a perfectly good OOBE degenerates, and you wake up. Usually, one moment you are in the OOBE as clear and real as can be, but then quickly the scenery fades and you become aware of yourself in bed. The OOBE is over. However, sometimes the degeneration of the OOBE happens more slowly, and you go through a dream like phase where scenery loses its sharpness and clarity, and becomes unrealistic. You can rescue this by focussing your attention right back in the OOBE environment.
I believe you went through this process, the scenery became unrealistic as you backed out of it. In your case you actually backed out of the environment, losing your total involvement in the scene, and finally ended it completely.
What you experienced is the EXACT REVERSE of a phasing attempt. Phasing begins with a visualisation of a scene, in which you are watching the scene as if it is projected on a canvass in front of you. With a little effort you then enter into the scene, rather than watching it on a canvass. What you did was the reverse of this. Effectively, you "phased out"!
I simply think you went through the process of leaving your OOBE, in a fairly natural sort of way. I also think you could have rescued the situation by focussing back within the scene. The frame would have melted away and you would have been back in the OOBE.
Quote from: catmeow on July 28, 2012, 10:29:18
Well I believe I understand this. Sometimes, a perfectly good OOBE degenerates, and you wake up. Usually, one moment you are in the OOBE as clear and real as can be, but then quickly the scenery fades and you become aware of yourself in bed. The OOBE is over. However, sometimes the degeneration of the OOBE happens more slowly, and you go through a dream like phase where scenery loses its sharpness and clarity, and becomes unrealistic. You can rescue this by focussing your attention right back in the OOBE environment.
I believe you went through this process, the scenery became unrealistic as you backed out of it. In your case you actually backed out of the environment, losing your total involvement in the scene, and finally ended it completely.
What you experienced is the EXACT REVERSE of a phasing attempt. Phasing begins with a visualisation of a scene, in which you are watching the scene as if it is projected on a canvass in front of you. With a little effort you then enter into the scene, rather than watching it on a canvass. What you did was the reverse of this. Effectively, you "phased out"!
I simply think you went through the process of leaving your OOBE, in a fairly natural sort of way. I also think you could have rescued the situation by focussing back within the scene. The frame would have melted away and you would have been back in the OOBE.
This makes a lot of sense. I guess I was thinking along the same lines, but you phrased it perfectly.
I think my OOBE started degrading after the "teleportation" from my bedroom to the street, maybe because it was a bolder jump than I have previously attempted. Not wanting to lose the OOBE, I tried to convince myself that I'm still having it, and so it turned into a sort of active visualisation exercise inside a dream. Should this happen again, I will try to remember to focus on something in the environment and see if that helps.
Quote from: Pauli2 on July 28, 2012, 07:13:24
Either it was not a false awakening or I just don't understand you.
A false awakening is when you think you have woken up, but you are
still dreaming, you are in a dream, just regular dreaming. You are
_not_ awake, you are still dreaming in a false awakening (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_awakening).
Apologies, I typed the post quickly and I mistyped it, but of course you are correct. I wanted to say "The realising that I am _asleep_ part happened..."
Quote from: Szaxx on July 28, 2012, 09:34:33
Hi,
You could be in the RTZ too. I remember being hungry and searching the house for a sweet tasty. Looking through shelves I found a hidden box of chocolates. My brother and I went on a raiding party many times in the mornings. We were 5 and 6 years old respectively always knowing where things were hidden. Think and ye shall find...
Definately NOT a dream.
I could have very well been in the RTZ. In fact, I think it's very likely, because of the very straightforward getting out of body method I used – just stand up and go. The thing is, my experience is very limited – I have had probably more than a dozen exits, but I have never made it far from my body. So I wouldn't even know much about RTZ, other than from reading other people's experiences.
Thanks everyone for your help!
Hey Keyangen.
I have OBE's a lot that start very real, and then I end up going into a dreamland. Sounds maybe like this could be the case.
Cool stuff though! I think you projected but then lost focus. I do it all the time... :?
Good luck!
Quote from: AstralCody on July 28, 2012, 19:30:56
I have OBE's a lot that start very real, and then I end up going into a dreamland. Sounds maybe like this could be the case.
Cool stuff though! I think you projected but then lost focus. I do it all the time... :?
This happens from staying in the Astral for too long. When you first start you need to have short strips to be able to have memory recall. If you stay too long, you lose all memory of said event. It gets better once you learn more control though. :-)
Try waking up totally, then going back and Re-scripting the Dream sequence, you will find that with one minor change on your part, the entire experience will be altered. See how many times you can Re-script one sequence. You will find this method fascinating.
Good Luck and Safe Travels! :-)
Quote from: Lionheart on July 28, 2012, 19:37:53
This happens from staying in the Astral for too long. When you first start you need to have short strips to be able to have memory recall. If you stay too long, you lose all memory of said event. It gets better once you learn more control though. :-)
I agree with you on that one Lionheart.
I need to start affirmations maybe before attempting to project and before sleep. Or even when I meditate. Just repeat to myself to keep them short so I can have good recall. I remember my first OBE's I had were extremely real throughout. After time they got very goofy on me and made no sense at all. I haven't had a "real" OBE in quite some time. I sure do miss them.
Quote from: AstralCody on July 28, 2012, 19:41:46
. I need to start affirmations maybe before attempting to project and before sleep. Or even when I meditate. Just repeat to myself to keep them short so I can have good recall. I remember my first OBE's I had were extremely real throughout. After time they got very goofy on me and made no sense at all. I haven't had a "real" OBE in quite some time. I sure do miss them.
Yep, like they say, "back to the drawing board". I have hit times when I couldn't project as well and found that after a visit through my personal journals the problem was solved. Attack this like you would an experiment. Try new things, think "outside the box". I did and found great results! :-)
Quote from: Lionheart on July 28, 2012, 19:45:13
Yep, like they say, "back to the drawing board". I have hit times when I couldn't project as well and found that after a visit through my personal journals the problem was solved. Attack this like you would an experiment. Try new things, think "outside the box". I did and found great results! :-)
Good stuff Lionheart! Yeah I just need to figure out what is holding me back. It's interesting to note, before reading other peoples experiences and going on forums etc, it was almost easier for me to achieve an OBE. Maybe I am trying too hard and I simply just need to let it happen. Intent is huge with me. It's what got me my first successful OBE. Best moment of my life, I still remember it as if it was yesterday.
When I was new here I found it easier too. The more things I read, the more it confused the process, because I started to find myself trying too many different things. When I took a step back and read what worked in the past from my Journals, things got easier again. One of the things that gave me the most problems was reading here about all the "labels" there were for experiences and trying to fit my own experiences into a certain grouping. I would be just noticing, than start to try to move my Etheric body, that wouldn't work so I would to simple visualizing, then try once again to climb out of my body. I was mixing Phasing with Etheric Projecting without really realizing what I was doing. It got to be too much. Now I just lay back and let what happens happen. I turn the physical off and the only thing left is the Astral. :-)
Quote from: Lionheart on July 29, 2012, 01:22:34
I turn the physical off and the only thing left is the Astral. :-)
Bingo. :-D
I am going to go back to the roots. I find it very easy to induce a falling sensation. The only problem is everytime I feel that feeling it fades away. I am not scared, and I keep very calm about it. I know when I get out of body, THEN I can jump for joy. Even when I keep calm, it usually just fades away. After about an hour passes I think I lose focus and end up falling asleep. (hmmmm) Reminds me trying to project before sleep is extremely hard. See I already solved one of my problems. Even though my best OBE's are during naps.
Quote from: Lionheart on July 29, 2012, 01:22:34
I turn the physical off and the only thing left is the Astral. :-)
To put it REALLY simplistically... *THIS* is exactly what Astral Projection is all about.
If you can "turn off" (ignore) the physical reality, you can then proceed to receive sensory input from "somewhere else". :)