The Trance State?

[ralphm]

I also project mostly after going to sleep, only doing it from the trance state a couple of times. It seems like to go from trance to projection you have to be really really relaxed, with the feeling of being aware but your body is miles away. Too often people give in to the dream state first or have too many fears present. Somehow getting into projection from being asleep bypasses theese problems, if you are able to do it this way.

[kiauma]

Yes, relaxation is the key.  

Cultivate total physical relaxation techniques with meditation techniques.  Hold the mind clear with the firm intention of getting OOB in the back of your mind.   Usually, you will eventually relax to a point where the vibrations will come.   Some people do not feel the vibrations, but the they do seem to be part of your exit sensations, so that is the way it should work for you.

So be patient.   Work to achieve deeper trances, better meditation and relaxation, with the unspoken intention to OBE held in your mind like a shadow.

[silverton64]

I have read Robert's Book, The Treatise on OBE, and I have read the part about when he says somthing like once you enter the trance state, projection is relativly easy.

I believe I have entered the trance state, but I cannot project out of my body.  

--I have had around 25 projections, these weren't just sit down relax and leave, I went to sleep, woke up for an hour, and then went back to sleep, and woke up with vibrations, and was able to leave my body.--

I was wondering if any of you have been in this delima.  Why can't I move my astral body when entering the trance state?  Am I really in the trance state to begin with?