Suicide - another thread

[Eol007]

Michael,

Thank you for taking effort to share this deeply personal story.

Suicide and attempted suicide is something that has also touched my life (friends and family).  Although by comparison I can only but feel a humbled by your words!

I am sure your kind thoughts will continue to bring reassurance and be a great comfort to many!

Kindest regards,


Stephen

[michael]

Hi Stephen,
Many thanks for your kind words. I am sorry to read that suicide has been in your family/friends circle. I was so grateful for that experience and I just wish more people bereft in such a situation could experience the same thing,
Thanks again,
Michael

[G3MM4]

Thank you for sharing your experiences with us. It really touched me. I have experienced suicide and attempted suicide in my family/friends as well, and it's a terrible thing to go through for these who are left behind. You have my regards.

Gemma

[michael]

Thanks Gemma. You are correct.It is, indeed, devastating regardless of one's experiences and convictions etc. But, as the saying goes,unbelievable though it is initially."life goes on ".

[G3MM4]

Life does go on. But it changes your life, in ways that you don't want it o sometimes. But it can also teach you a lot about yourself and life.

[michael]

There was a very interesting thread on suicide.I have an article on this on Robert's site and I thought it might be of interest so have posted it here...

After The Suicide Of My Son
By Michael Ross
© Copyright (An Astral Experience)

Murray Ross....RIP

On December 5th 1998, my son Murray, aged 21, committed suicide by jumping off the Wallace Monument, in Stirling, Scotland. Naturally enough, this is a devastating experience for any parent to have to go through. There can be some comfort in the fact that, as a fairly experienced astral projector, there is clear, direct knowledge that there is life after death. Unfortunately, of course, it is generally recognised that suicide is one of the more unfortunate and inadvisable means of exiting the physical body.

Robert Bruce has endeavoured to provide a great deal of information concerning "Rest and Recreation" areas in the astral planes where such traumatised souls can get back to some position of stability. For example, in his book "Astral Dynamics" Robert describes how the healing energy is reinterpreted by our perceiving minds (while projecting) as various hospital scenarios. No matter how the scene and "astral adventure" develops the fact remains that real, substantial help is there and ongoing.

This sort of interpretation and experience contrasts sharply with various occult, religious and philosophical descriptions of the after life state where such souls are thought to spend a great deal of their existence in a condition of considerable distress, anguish and torment.

As a strict "empiricist" in the field of research into our spiritual nature, I wish to describe some confirmations I have had in the hope that it might assist others in the same unfortunate position of having loved one's pass over into such a post mortem state. I would also hope that this might encourage further research into such aspects of "rescue work". For over thirty years, since the age of seventeen, I have been fortunate enough to have had many experiences of astral projection. Until two years ago most of them were actually pretty mundane in so far as I had only experienced out of the body phenomenon in the vicinity of my bedroom. I seemed to have little ability in developing further despite some efforts in this direction.

However, two years ago I awoke and found myself floating above my bed with an enormous sound like being in the midst of an electrical dynamo resounding in my head. It was a sound which increased in pitch and "speed". According to Robert Bruce, it is likely that this may have been a spontaneous high level activity of the ajna (brow) or crown( top of the head) chakras.
I then found myself going backwards through a tunnel configuration made up of rectangular patterns . (Robert, again, gives a description of such experiences in "Astral Dynamics" where this could more than likely be an experience of his novel "Astral Wind" conception).
The whole experience was utterly exhilarating in itself - like being on a seemingly never ending roller coaster. Thoroughly recommended!

I then found myself in a desired "target" - a former home thirty miles or so distant. Since then I have had a number of these "tunnel" vision experiences during projections. However, since the death of my son, I have obviously endeavoured to get in touch with him in order to discover the truth of his port mortem condition.

One's own experience in these things, is , alas, I feel the only way ahead. I have friends ( who have experienced similar traumatic deaths ) who would give their right arms for such an experience and the only way to obtain it is by slow, patient and consistent endeavour over a period of time. Spiritual experiences do not come easily as Robert has pointed out in his articles and Astral Dynamics.

Anyway, a few days after Murray's death I had a lucid dream ( not validated as an OBE - you have to be ruthlessly honest with yourself in this regard!) where we met. He looked somehow shocked and "empty" and we hugged and kissed but he did not "say" anything.

This was relatively comforting since I had established some form of contact, but as can readily be imagined, this was far from enough. There was, over the next few months, a host of "dreams" and so on where we met and talked but the elusive out of the body experience was still waiting in the background to exhibit itself.

Now it is perfectly understandable that many will interpret these experiences as "wish fulfilment" creations of the subconscious and this is perfectly understandable on various levels. Of course I was "priming" the subconscious to have such experiences (out of the body phenomenon would scarcely be experienced unless one did do such high intensity affirmation work!) But the experience of what I am about to describe was, in all truth, real and in full consciousness.
I experienced another weird and wonderful lucid dream where all sorts of fascinating events were taking place.

As practitioners are well aware there is a strange sort of "aura" or feeling tone which accompanies many lucid dreams which indicate that something special is happening or about to take place.
Immediately after this I awoke in my bed and then found myself speeding down a particularly beautiful tunnel configuration.
It was made up of intricate, almost "paisley pattern" type designs that one could find on a wallpaper or carpet .
I then, intuitively, decided to increase my speed by turning over on my (astral body) back. This seemed to work and I found myself speeding up considerably. The tunnel, again, continued to be a beautiful experience in itself.

I then was aware of a shadowy figure flying behind me. I do not normally experience "guides" or whatever although I have sensed a presence in previous projections - but nothing which I could positively establish to my on satisfaction.
(Robert goes into considerable detail in "Astral Dynamics" discussing the notion some projectors put forward that all projections are accompanied in such a manner. He does not believe that out of body projections are "policed" by astral beings.)
Be that as it may, I journeyed on for some time.

I immediately decided to attempt to go to Murray.
I then seemed to ascend in a vertical manner, again up the tunnel with the same beautiful pattern. It is difficult to put into words the ecstasy of such an experience.
I found myself in a room full of giggling young children, all looking very happy and of different races. Someone( unseen) passed over a small baby to me which I cuddled , marvelling at its tiny fingers.( Incidentally prior to this I had experienced, for the first time, the "melting hands" phenomena which Robert describes in Astral Dynamics. Fascinating).
I passed the baby back and felt a sense of extreme disappointment that Murray was not there.
The children laughed and pointed to a corner of the room.

Suddenly, my dear son appeared looking very much younger from behind some furniture where it appears he had been hiding.
In fact he looked about 12 years of age. He was very hesitant and embarrassed looking.( As my wife pointed out later when I told her of this she said that is exactly how he would have reacted knowing the great sorrow we obviously feel at what he and done.)
I was absolutely overcome and hugged and kissed him.
He looked so pleased.

Unfortunately, as is well known emotional outbursts on the astral plane can be very counter- productive. But I obviously couldn't help myself at the time.
This sort of emotional reaction on the part of the projector can bring about an abrupt break in the experience and so it proved. I found myself shooting back down the tunnel at an enormous speed and woke up in my body.

I then proceeded, with tears in my eyes, to note down the experience in a journal I keep for such purposes.

I was very touched to read of Robert's account in "Astral Dynamics" where he describes his meeting with his 8 year old son Jeremy who had died tragically due to an accident.
These contacts are not easy to establish and, for that matter, to maintain for any length of time which certainly gives food for thought for those who assert that contact with our loved ones to such an intense degree are easy to obtain.
For example, Robert, who is extremely accomplished in exploring the astral planes , shows just how precious and rare is such an experience. Those who describe their constant, effortless and daily excursions to the heaven world give those of us who try very hard cause to have pause for thought as to just how "real" and fully conscious their astral adventures have been. Again, sad to say, one's own experience is the only way ahead.

I was puzzled as to why Murray appeared much younger than his 21 years. Robert kindly explained to me how souls can sometimes take some time to stabilise -- especially those passing in traumatised conditions. This makes a lot of sense. There is probably a connection with the "life review" period where the soul relives its previous life during intermittent phases while acclimatising itself to the astral world.

I do hope my account may give a little comfort to those who have loved one's who have passed under such unfortunate conditions. We have to be ruthlessly honest with ourselves and recognise that suicide is, indeed, an unfortunate way of passing whether through ( mostly) depression or any other intent.

My strong conviction is those who are left behind can do much to ease the burden of our loved one's by thinking and praying for them as often as we can - sending love through the ether as it were. They are nourished and helped to progress. Hard though it is for those left behind to get into such a positive frame of mind. But despite all such astral experiences we are all too human. But we have to "plouter" and "chauve" on (Scots -- meaning to just go on and work hard -- in this case in all spiritual endeavours.)

I hope this helps. I have been very grateful to Robert for his freely given service and spiritual help personally. Good on you Robert!


Michael Ross
email: Murrs22@aol.com