Hey guys. Im new here this is my first post. Just have a something I wanted to talk about and these boards seem to be the apropriate place to do it.
Well about my self and situation. I am an American I am currently in the Philippines living with my girlfriend. Have been here for 6 months. Well my topic is a phenomenon that has taken place in south east asia for a while aparently. When I first heard of it I thought it was hog wash and impossible. But when I had a boarder line experience of it then my girlfriend had a terrible experience I did research and and found out its very real. She kept telling me people can get attacked in there sleep by demons and die. Of course you all are thinking no of course not just like I did. Tell I looked up SUNDS and found out its a very real phenomenon. Where 1 our of 200 filipinos die as a cause of this. I did not look it up tell I had an experience and my girlfriend had an experience the following night.
(I would put this in the dreams catagory but the nature of our experiences was more astral projection in nature. Although Ive never purposefully attempted astral. The experiences them selves closely resemble it.)
So my experience. Well I was laying in bed on my back and i was just between falling asleep and still awake. I felt my self lift up outta bed and i walked to the bathroom (This either being my dream or or astral i do not know) But it was all so clear and real. I was in my house and everything was the same. I walked to the bathroom and inside the bathroom was a 7-8 foot tall grim reaper with his arms stretched a hooded mask with a greyish face and silver hands and feet. I looked at it then basically went back to where I was laying. It then shot like lightening from the bathroom over top of me and grabbed me by my neck. I am a christian so I told it to go off of me in jesus name in my dream while it was chokeing me. It disapeered and I immediately woke up. I prayed and went back to sleep feeling attacked but safe due to prayer. The end
Now I was definatelly physically attacked in some way but not enough to care to do research or feel threatened so i didnt even share my story with my girlfriend. But my girlfriend had an experience the following night changed that.
We were talking she was laying in bed and i was on the computer. She then dozed off. It was only a few seconds when I had a chill go through my body then 2 minutes after she had fallen asleep she started screaming loudly screams of real authentic terror while still asleep Of course it scared the lights out of me and i shook her for awhile until she woke. She didnt wake easy but when she did I asked what happened. She said it was bungawut (dont think i spelled it right) but in their language its basically a phenemon where ur attacked by a demon and can die. I looked it up and found out its actually quite a common unexplainable experience in the philippines.
Her experience was this. She had the same as me just befor falling asleep she stood up out from her body. Saw me on the computer and everything as it was. She then walked into the living room and a large black dog with red eyes was on the sofa it growled at hurt then jumped and bit her right on the throat and held its lock. Thats when i woke her up.
She told me she had this experience before when she was young alot and her mom would sleep with her just to wake her up if ever she was having it.
Well I mean that is it. Then I looked it up and found out the that YES people do actually die from this experience. But of course they cant share their experience because they died so weather our experiences are authentic is up for debate. But folk tradition here says the experiences happen in this way.
Just wanted to say this. And weather you do believe in demons that they are real entities or imaginations. It seems teachers of astral say they cant hurt you. But at least in south east asia.... ummm yes they actually really can. Of course thats up for debate in this discussion as well. I just wanted to bring this phenomenon to this board and see everyones opinions or ideas? That's all.
The reality of the situation you could find yourself in is a perfect match to the physical daily one that we all know so well. That said if you are not in this physical world and don't realise this, the fear can be exponential as thoughts manifest.
Have a read of this masterpiece.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/everything_you_could_ever_want_to_know_about_sleep_paralysis-t38734.0.html
Last year I was pregnant and my daughters father was working in Singapore.
When he came home he told me that he met 2 men who told him this folk law tale about a demon who lies over pregnant women when they sleep and sucks their baby right out of them, apparently the women wakes up to this demon all in black with red eyes sitting on or laying on her...he said both men had it happen to their wives and one had gone to scans and everything then went to the doctor after the attack who told her there was no trace of her ever being pregnant.
The night he told me this story I experienced sleep paralysis and saw the entity he was talking about. but when I woke up I still had my baby...how strong is the subconscious mind? obviously I only had that experience because he put it in my head otherwise I never would have.
Not saying I don't believe your story because I am not in your situation but just be aware of the power of suggestion, especially with these stories that go from person to person and suddenly everyone is experiencing the same thing. Next time you go out of body, try fill yourself with happiness and love not fear....I have had many negative energy's attach to me while out of body, they have never hurt me though just annoyed me.
Yeah that baby sucker is called an aswang here. Pretty notorious... But it is not well... A sleep attacker only. It'll get ya when your wide awake aparently and it comes in many forms. My girlfriend has at least seen the big black dog and a kinda big black boar. In which cases some people who have had such encounters get sick afterwards and die. Those experiences happening to people just trying to walk home at night. Its more of a shape shifting warlock then anything else as the story goes. But its kinda hard to put it into any description. Because it has many forms. But a long tongued baby sucker is one of them.
I dunno considering I am a spiritual christian so as a result I believe demons are actually entities rather then simply products of our imagination. But I believe your imagination can create them as well. Rather they are real entities or a result of over imagination. But I also believe they can be invited by your imagination but not always. As my first sleep paralysis experienced happened when I was about 8 and there was not any talk or horror movies or what have you happening in my life to spark that frightening experience with the shadow thing running across the room and the paralysis in my bed at just 8 year old. But reguardless of my experiences I am open to others experiences and opinions. I just believe they are actually entities. But yes I believe people bring them about themselves weather it be from practicing it or digging deeper into darker subjects and practices. Meditating on it as well.
I do kinda feel because they take it SO seriously here. That kinda makes it worse though. Rather then offers them more protection...
Although the deaths have been well documented in mostly healthy men, I still feel like it has more to do with their belief in it than anything else. It has been medically accepted that extreme fright can cause death in certain people but they usually have a preexisting condition.
Since it is normal for everyone's heart to go into abnormal rhythms while sleeping, I imagine that it is possible for healthy people to die from extreme fear if it occurs at the right (or wrong) time during sleep.
I do not have any beliefs in demons but what you are reporting is certainly a true and well documented phenomenon.
I find a few links on this disorder . In agrement with Astral Zombie , I think the people that die from this are creating the demons out of there own fear . There called thought forms or tulpa .
http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/medical/sunds.htm
http://www.acronymfinder.com/Sudden-Unexplained-Nocturnal-Death-Syndrome-(SUNDS).html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa
Quote from: urshebear on March 19, 2014, 08:28:33
Last year I was pregnant and my daughters father was working in Singapore.
When he came home he told me that he met 2 men who told him this folk law tale about a demon who lies over pregnant women when they sleep and sucks their baby right out of them, apparently the women wakes up to this demon all in black with red eyes sitting on or laying on her...he said both men had it happen to their wives and one had gone to scans and everything then went to the doctor after the attack who told her there was no trace of her ever being pregnant.
The night he told me this story I experienced sleep paralysis and saw the entity he was talking about. but when I woke up I still had my baby...how strong is the subconscious mind? obviously I only had that experience because he put it in my head otherwise I never would have.
Not saying I don't believe your story because I am not in your situation but just be aware of the power of suggestion, especially with these stories that go from person to person and suddenly everyone is experiencing the same thing. Next time you go out of body, try fill yourself with happiness and love not fear....I have had many negative energy's attach to me while out of body, they have never hurt me though just annoyed me.
You sound sensible. I wish the other forum that I go on think like you. They refuse to change their way of thinking so I gave up trying. They keep seeing demons and awful things and then other people see the same thing. A lot of it I do not read anymore.
If you have a tale or myth like that that has been handed down generation to generation, you are just awaiting and actually causing further incidents to happen.
Immediately after a person that believes in this has a bout of Sleep Paralysis, they are so terrified based on their belief that they literally scare themselves to death!
These days technology is showing us that we have interpreted many things incorrectly through the years. The Bible included. Scientific explanations are replacing the Myths and tales that have scared so many people for so many years..