Symptoms of Hypnagogia Phasing Related?

[Inico]

Last night I made some large strides in meditation, and managed to get into quite a trance - and repeated the same today.

I experienced several feelings which I have now found on wikipedia.
I felt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploding_head_syndrome about 8 times.
And is the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnic_jerk actually related to phasing? I felt it about 15 minutes ago and took it as a good sign.
I've felt it naturally in the past while simply trying to fall asleep, but it occurred to me that it's a feeling like you're about to slide out of your body or fall out of it.

So is it actually related to astral projection or out of body experiences at all, or is it just a side-effect of meditation?

[Bacterio]

I have have those hypnic jercks often. They happen when I am about to fall asleep, and I never related them to meditation. 

[Inico]

Well, what is meditation for you then? In my case, a large part of it is deep relaxation, so I expect it to be natural to experience hypnagogia related feelings.

[soli]

why can't phasing be a side effect of meditation

[Inico]

Could you describe phasing in detail? I'm still not sure exactly what it means.

[NoY]

Could you describe phasing in detail? I'm still not sure exactly what it means.

phasing is when you shift your focus from your normal life to alternate realitys

:NoY:

[soli]

well, what I'm saying is, the actions done in meditation, or, when I meditate, are almost synonymous to phasing as well, really you could probably meditate and then phase based on your level of conscious awareness and physical relaxation. You could even say a deep level of meditation is bound to induce phasing at some point. Phasing is a shifting of awareness by placing focus on the area desired. When you meditate by taking focus away from the physical you are doing the same as in phasing, except phasing stresses additionally a focus to the area of consciousness desired. In phasing you are not going anywhere, you're simply choosing to view another area of consciousness. You already are where you want to go, you're simply choosing not to view it.

[justin35ll]

i get that jerk when meditating sometimes, but sometimes I think it's just my head falling back from my neck muscles loosing up

[Xanth]

why can't phasing be a side effect of meditation

It can be.

~Ryan

[Bacterio]

well, what I'm saying is, the actions done in meditation, or, when I meditate, are almost synonymous to phasing as well, really you could probably meditate and then phase based on your level of conscious awareness and physical relaxation. You could even say a deep level of meditation is bound to induce phasing at some point. Phasing is a shifting of awareness by placing focus on the area desired. When you meditate by taking focus away from the physical you are doing the same as in phasing, except phasing stresses additionally a focus to the area of consciousness desired. In phasing you are not going anywhere, you're simply choosing to view another area of consciousness. You already are where you want to go, you're simply choosing not to view it.

We need a definition of meditation...otherwise we are walking in circles. What is meditation and what is it used for? I think Frank had the same problem with the concept.

[Xanth]

We need a definition of meditation...otherwise we are walking in circles. What is meditation and what is it used for? I think Frank had the same problem with the concept.

You won't find a definition that everyone will agree upon. 

~Ryan

[soli]

We need a definition of meditation...otherwise we are walking in circles. What is meditation and what is it used for? I think Frank had the same problem with the concept.

I struggle with this as well, lol, meditation to me is just noticing without an emphasis on intention whereas in phasing you are noticing to view another area of consciousness that you noticed... You are noticing for the sake of noticing, so that you may notice yourself, and become more consciously aware of yourself. Enlightenment is not a state that is reached, its the becoming aware of the fact you are already at that state.

[Bacterio]

You won't find a definition that everyone will agree upon. 

~Ryan

YEs I Know!!!... ...this is why I put the question

[Inico]

Then it looks like most of my meditation is actually attempting phasing - I haven't tried to separate myself from my body in weeks because I was getting nowhere. Instead I try to notice, by Frank's method, or so it seems - and I catch plenty of glimpses of things for half a second or more.
At the moment I'm still trying to draw a line to separate what defines the self and what defines the physical body. I'm not sure how much of myself I should be taking with me.

To me, meditation is deep relaxation and attempting to eliminate awareness of Focus 1.

So can phasing actually induce OBEs? What I had read about it gave me the impression that's a yes.

Also, I still haven't gotten a clearer idea yet if hypnic jerks are the same feeling as being about to leave your body. Since I was told by some that it's like a rush of leaving your body, the hypnic jerk I felt was akin to being pulled out of my head by my feet - but then the shock killed the moment. Is there something that distinguishes one from the other?

[Xanth]

Bacterio, don't try too hard to define it.

You'll only confuse yourself.

~Ryan

[soli]

Then it looks like most of my meditation is actually attempting phasing - I haven't tried to separate myself from my body in weeks because I was getting nowhere. Instead I try to notice, by Frank's method, or so it seems - and I catch plenty of glimpses of things for half a second or more.
At the moment I'm still trying to draw a line to separate what defines the self and what defines the physical body. I'm not sure how much of myself I should be taking with me.

To me, meditation is deep relaxation and attempting to eliminate awareness of Focus 1.

So can phasing actually induce OBEs? What I had read about it gave me the impression that's a yes.

phasing is used to view other areas of consciousness, if that is the same function as an OBE to you then yes, phasing is the same as OBEing. To phase is to OBE, the only real differentiations are the models of consciousness you're actually phasing into and the actions done in order to do so, however in the end they both agree you are viewing another area of consciousness. Deep relaxation is a part of the process of eliminating awareness of focus 1 while maintaining conscious awareness which is the beginning step to phasing, if not the only necessary. As far as how much of yourself you're supposed to take with you.. I don't know what you mean by that, you're not taking anything with you to anywhere except for your focus to another area of consciousness. The only reason you are not viewing f3 as an area of consciousness right now is because you have chosen not to.
You will probably think something from that then like all you have to do is choose to, which is true, the problem is finding out how one actually "chooses". I can also tell you to move your arm you have to choose to move it. The question you have to ask yourself then is, how am I even choosing to move my arm? I can scream to myself to move it all I want, but until I actually move it, it won't budge at all. So I'm basically telling you you have to find that out yourself 

Bacterio, don't try too hard to define it.

You'll only confuse yourself.

~Ryan

Xanth are you only saying that because of my concepts earlier today.. lol

[Inico]

phasing is used to view other areas of consciousness, if that is the same function as an OBE to you then yes, phasing is the same as OBEing. To phase is to OBE, the only real differentiations are the models of consciousness you're actually phasing into and the actions done in order to do so, however in the end they both agree you are viewing another area of consciousness. Deep relaxation is a part of the process of eliminating awareness of focus 1 while maintaining conscious awareness which is the beginning step to phasing, if not the only necessary. As far as how much of yourself you're supposed to take with you.. I don't know what you mean by that, you're not taking anything with you to anywhere except for your focus to another area of consciousness. The only reason you are not viewing f3 as an area of consciousness right now is because you have chosen not to.
You will probably think something from that then like all you have to do is choose to, which is true, the problem is finding out how one actually "chooses". I can also tell you to move your arm you have to choose to move it. The question you have to ask yourself then is, how am I even choosing to move my arm? I can scream to myself to move it all I want, but until I actually move it, it won't budge at all. So I'm basically telling you you have to find that out yourself 

Xanth are you only saying that because of my concepts earlier today.. lol

You've addressed my points as I'd hoped - thank you.