taking over an animals body?

Jeff_Mash · August 26, 2002, 10:16:44

I have never had that kind of experience, but here is what I think of them. When people say "they projected INTO an animal," they aren't really going inside this animals body and seeing through them. On the contrary, I feel that they are EXPERIENCING life AS that animal.

In other words, if I project and I'm seeing things from a dog's perspective, I'm not necessarily IN a dog, but rather, my consciousness is showing me what it's like to BE a dog.

Again, I have never had this kind of experience, so I am only basing my knowledge on my past OBE experiences and what I have concluded within myself.

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Gandalf · August 27, 2002, 04:42:13

It's not too hard to do while out of body. It happened to me twice spontaneously, one of which was changing into a giant lizard (dinosaur I suppose). Strange sensation allthough a truck driver I came across was more suprised than me when I crossed the highway..hehe
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Hmm,
I wonder if this accounts for al those 'fortean' cases of bizarre creatures being spotted by passers by.
What you described was exactly like a case I read in the Fortean Times, where a passing driver was shocked to see some strange dinosaur like creature crossing the road.
These kinds of cases are quite common actually.
Perhaps these people are obseving astral projectors in unusual forms, like in your case for example!

Regards,
Douglas

WalkerInTheWoods · August 27, 2002, 05:37:14

While out of body you do not have any actual true form. So you should be able to project or change into any form you wish. I have not done this while astral projecting, but I have had a few dreams in which I was rather aware and I changed into a wolf and werewolf (being part human and wolf at the same time).

As far as taking over another's body, either human, animal or whatever, I am not sure it is possible. I have read many posts about it not being possible to take over a human and we are all in agreement on that. I get the feeling that it is probably the same for all creatures. From what I have read about those who allow spirits to talk through them, it takes a great deal of effort on the spirits part to communicate in such a manner and it can only be done if the person allows them to do it. So unless some animal wishes for you to take control of them you probably cannot, and I doubt an animal would really want that.

alpha · August 30, 2002, 02:13:49

thanks for all your responses,

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What I read in Monroes book,was kind of like that.Living an animals life for a moment.Something I would really want to do.Ive not tried any shape changing.Besides streching my arms out.Ill see what I can do next time.Start with some basic shapes I guess.

Looks like a few of you have already done so.Very cool,and that is interesting what you said Gandalf.Recently where I live a little kid saw some kind of sea creature on the shore at a nearby beach.It was lizard like,Dont remember much more about it.But nothing like anything that has ever been seen.

Imagine if it was really a projector.Do you remeber anything like that Majortom?j/k LOL Ive not heard anything about those other sightings.Could have something to do with tired drivers.Falling into trances and not knowing.
ALPHA

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k2sixx · August 30, 2002, 02:21:24

Hmmm. Tisha might be able to clear this up for me if she sees it, but I was skimming the beginning of Carlos Casteneda's "The Teachings of don Juan" and diablero's were discussed. A diablero is supposedly a man who can take the form of any animal. However, they don't inhabit an existing animal's body.

density · August 30, 2002, 07:08:33

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This has got me curious.After reading about it in Monroes 2nd book.He writes about going to the future.Sounded to me like anything that was there was fair game.He mentions becoming a cloud.Some kind of panther,A leaf if I remember correctly.And a bird.

Well, that is not really taking over the body of an animal.

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What would be more interesting is while being an animal, do you have the brains of an animal?

Have you ever seen "Altered States"? Do you remember William Hurt turning into an apeman?

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Tisha · August 30, 2002, 08:47:20

Certainly, while out-of-body, one can do all sorts of things, including "becoming" another being. Shamans do this all the time. Witches had their "familiars." Merlin had been known to "shapeshift" into a blackbird and a deer. The Celtic bard/shaman Taliesin shapeshifted into a salmon and a bird and a . . . And so on!

Some magickal practitioners have strong feelings about certain animals (everything from cats to bats to dinosaurs), and will consistently "become" that animal while out of body. Others just play with the different feelings. Like, try being a tree sometime! It's sure different, from what I hear!

As for me, I'm so vain, that when I'm out of body I'm just a beautiful slender voluptuous woman with clear skin and white teeth, having a great hair day (and wearing a white nightgown, or my white sheet like a toga, depending). But I'm so new at remembering my OBE experiences, I haven't had the opportunity to become bored with my little old self yet.

Perhaps someday I'll be a lynx (again?). A friend who was sleeping next to me in a tent a few years ago had a vision in which at one moment I was in a white nightgown and the next moment I was a lynx. He was so FREAKED by this vision that he didn't know how to act around me for the rest of the weekend. COOL.

Tisha

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clandestino · August 30, 2002, 08:57:53

hee hee...I like the sound of the slender, voluptuous woman in white gown ! you are putting me off my work, ha ha...

Tisha, I read somewhere (cant' remember where) that there might be dangers in shapeshifting / projecting and taking the form of an animal ......what do think ? i can't remember where i read it .....I think it was in the book section that you call "witch-crap" !

Tisha · August 30, 2002, 09:19:05

Hey, if you wanna shapeshift into a mosquito, be prepared to get eaten! But of course, the effects are temporary. You always zip back into your body eventually.

Seriously, the dangers of OBE and other kinds of magickal work are mostly psychiatric. Which, in turn, can manifest in the physical with all sorts of aches and pains and complaints. So, without being alarmist, I do warn EVERYONE who wants to do this work to get their mental houses in order. If you intend to walk down this path, you need the steely-willed cool of James Bond, Yoda, and Obi-Wan Kenobi, combined.

Frank often talks of staying emotionally "closed." The admonition seems awfully cold, but he has a point. The best sorcerers are "empty" of emotional machinations, because all that mental "kak" (in his words) will wreak havok on otherworldly experiences.

So, the time to do your magickal work is now, here, in your "boring" job, at the family dinner table, talking to your kids, driving your car in traffic, paying your bills. Clear out the musty attic of your mind and focus on proper responses to the stressors that pop into your life. Then, you will be tempered like steel and ready to face anything on the Astral.

Tisha

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BONEChief · August 30, 2002, 13:10:01

In roberts book on phychic self-defense he acually says that he possesed somebody by accident, so i could posibly be possible does say anything on how he did it but i wouldnt either for ovious reasons.

Only when one can sit back and look at the whole picture, can one see the purpse of the little things in life.

alpha · August 26, 2002, 05:30:08

This has got me curious.After reading about it in Monroes 2nd book.He writes about going to the future.Sounded to me like anything that was there was fair game.He mentions becoming a cloud.Some kind of panther,A leaf if I remember correctly.And a bird.

Ended up being one of my fav parts of the book.The way he describes everything is excellent.It makes it seem like you are there with him.

Im not sure if it can be done in the present.I know a human is pretty much impossible,the way things are now.That was covered in a thread awhile ago.But I wonder about animals and other various things?.What are your thoughts on this?Maybe in another life eh?

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