Teaching fatigue.

[Bedeekin]

I never heard it before. It's a good one. I only know a good adage from acting in the theatre.

the three T's.

[Lionheart]

 In one of my very first NPR visits consciously aware, I was told to "see through". Now everytime I read a book, watch a video or listen to a speaker on this subject, I hear those 2 words again.  It's good practice. An open mind is important, but being able to decipher the real "message" is the big part of this art.

[Mr.Flip]

[(I quote you all)]

Ironically Life is yet only a Game

A haunted house is a lovely example

subjected to nothing but change the human body is thrusted to overdrive of the natural effect named "SPOOK"


just like in many games and modern Video-games
the answers are hidden in plain site, take the time OBSERVE and then RATIONALIZE to your own LOGICAL conclusion
and after all of that
You Execute the Objective

but we all know the RULE in this game, (actually i really dont know word for word BUT this is my OUT-PUT) so here it goes
"Every Change, Every interraction, Every Effect, Every Desicion, Has a Consequence, wether or not it be Bad or Good, well You'll Know "

Warning! :RULES MAY VARY



ha

[catmeow]

Bedeekin, absolutely spot on with your OP.

Sometimes I wish people would be a little more original with their posts, rather than just saying "CANT AP HELP NEEDED!". Posts like this do not encourage replies. Do some personal research, show some initiative and then ask intelligent questions. This will encourage much higher quality replies, and make for more interesting discussions for all involved.

Now.....

As a complete side-track, I find the acronym MBT really amusing. This is in fact an acronym of an acronym. At some point I think we should shorten it to just M. It would then be an acronym of an acronym of an acronym. Another example possibly of that fractal paradigm???!

[catmeow]

Oh I feel guilty now. I see there is a post called "Need Help Astral Projection" which on reading turns out to be an interesting post. Sorry seany! This is tough...

[Bordmb]

As most regular patrons of the pulse notice, I often take extended absences from posting on these forums. Beyond the obvious reasoning for this, I too, have grown weary of throwing my opinion into the abysmal sea of other opinions and observations, often made by people who are 100% convinced that they are right and are still, in this age and place of enlightenment, arrogant and stubborn.

That being said, I often come back to help out someone new to this craft of visiting the NPR or those that are confused about "paranormal" and "magick" experiences (which I consider a specialty of mine of sorts, though I don't necessarily practice, nor believe in any specific methodology.) I find guiding newcomers and those with questions to be very rewarding and I often learn from them as much as I teach.

If I have to answer the same question for a million people, I will go out of my way to provide full information each time to the best of my abilities and with a smile, thankful that I'm not answering the same question twice for a single person.

Do you have something better to do with your time than guide a new person on their path?

[Bedeekin]

No... not at all... in fact I prefer it now because I am comfortable with myself and others.

I get a different feeling than I used to.. .or rather I have different motives, that are less to do about wanting to be egotistically correct and right about what I could teach and more to do with guiding others using what I have learned.

I used to think that I was 100% right though. Ask anyone from Astral Viewers (R.I.P.)... I am slightly embarrassed about the original 'Bedeekin's method' I posted online years ago. Very aggressive... very dismissive. 

I took a long sabbatical because I had some experiences and events that changed my whole outlook... and I've been humbled by them. My theories haven't changed... in fact they were affirmed and given body, reason and volume by My Big TOE. But my outlook has.

I actually didn't feel 'spiritual' and rebuked 'spirituality' for a long time. I was very practical in my approach and a lot of what I used to say I didn't truly believe because on one side I KNEW that I had experienced precognition and positive affirmed remote hits involving RTZ projections.. but dismissed other things that others had experienced because they didn't fit within my defined pragmatism. so I was sort of... contradicting myself a lot.

something like....

"I denounce your theory of auras because I haven't seen evidence of them, but did I tell you about the time I was seeing through the eyes of a child alien in another reality that had lost her parents..." 

Seriously.. I was that bad.

[Mr.Flip]

"I denounce your theory of auras because I haven't seen evidence of them, but did I tell you about the time I was seeing through the eyes of a child alien in another reality that had lost her parents..." 

Seriously.. I was that bad.

pretty much, dude i can totally take that and use it against you hahaha

[Bedeekin]

Just to be clear... the final line you highlighted was the only true statement in that sentence... the first part was belief based.  

and yeah... feel free to use it to reign me in. lol

[catmeow]

As most regular patrons of the pulse notice, I often take extended absences from posting on these forums. Beyond the obvious reasoning for this, I too, have grown weary of throwing my opinion into the abysmal sea of other opinions and observations, often made by people who are 100% convinced that they are right and are still, in this age and place of enlightenment, arrogant and stubborn.

This rings with me. I too have been guilty of arrogance, but have tried to curb that. In fact, over the past year I am sure that the regular contributors here have generally become less arrogant and more open to others' opinions. However, there is still a great morass of differing opinions and misunderstandings, which I find more troublesome than arrogance. An arrogant person can be shamed if they understand they have been proven wrong. But an arrogant person who repeatedly misunderstands an argument, can not.

[indian]

Yes.. this forum has lost the charm.. but i do visit sometimes

For past few months, I didn't get any question that can actually tempt me to answer. Most of the people here, are from west, and they are looking for some sort of rules, techniques, and set of algorithm that can actually lead to AP. Every other teacher is categorizing focus and people are trying to reach there and judge if they are going right. It is like if i give an example of a "Hindi" song that gives me goose-pump, and you try to generate that sensation by listening that song again and again, you fails because the very first thing "you do not understand hindi" and second is the poetry, that can actually not be translated in any foreign language. Hence you fail to get goose-pump.

So those focus categories are actually confusing people and making things more complicated than it seems. Consciousness can not be manipulated by just practicing few minutes in the night, you will have to start your practice when you are awake, then move further.

But everyone here is in hurry, and then there are self proclaimed masters here who are making it more complicated for beginners

[Lionheart]

It is like if i give an example of a "Hindi" song that gives me goose-pump, and you try to generate that sensation by listening that song again and again, you fails because the very first thing "you do not understand hindi" and second is the poetry, that can actually not be translated in any foreign language. Hence you fail to get goose-pump.

This alone states volumes Indian. You have found something that works for you and that's all that's important. These are the stories I come here to read, different cultures and their techniques. Success stories from all walks of life. There are less success stories and more tutoring done here. We already have the stickies and tutorials. We need more of the success stories, more people sharing what works for them. Nobody is going to attack you for sharing. That's what this site for. Give your view, it's your view. Nobody can say it's wrong. They may want to share their view back, but not blatantly attack you for it.

[indian]

This alone states volumes Indian. You have found something that works for you and that's all that's important. These are the stories I come here to read, different cultures and their techniques. Success stories from all walks of life. There are less success stories and more tutoring done here. We already have the stickies and tutorials. We need more of the success stories, more people sharing what works for them. Nobody is going to attack you for sharing. That's what this site for. Give your view, it's your view. Nobody can say it's wrong. They may want to share their view back, but not blatantly attack you for it.

I know people here who really attack and do not let you share what you actually wants to share. I am not the kind of person who is trying to hide anything, infact i would love to share and i did that in past. But I avoid kind of success stories because that actually confuse people. If i say there is no soul, I will be attacked, If i say there is no past life, i will be attacked. So it is actually good to help people in focusing rather than telling my own version of truth.

Regards

[Lionheart]

 Your truth is your truth. That's what makes you, you. Nobody can prove anything as the sole truth right now. We can just believe what's in our hearts and what feels right to us. People don't have to share our beliefs to make them real!
We have all kinds of forums here. From Metaphysics and Book reviews all the way down to Religion and new World happening or newsworthy stories.

[Bedeekin]

I admit Indian that I used to be one of those people that 'attack' and dismiss... hey... we all make mistakes and learn otherwise.

Many young people want to learn AP to 'escape' their physical existence and life. Which is like trying to learn skiing to escape snow. They are already condemning their progress.

It is a way of life... not of sleep or otherness.

[indian]

I admit Indian that I used to be one of those people that 'attack' and dismiss... hey... we all make mistakes and learn otherwise.

Many young people want to learn AP to 'escape' their physical existence and life. Which is like trying to learn skiing to escape snow. They are already condemning their progress.

It is a way of life... not of sleep or otherness.

That's humbleness

I agree with you.

Regards

[Mr.Flip]

Well its delightful to know that this topic has not only given us a spark of motivation but its good to acknowledge these errors that we all seem to exhibit from time time.
but honestly this teaching fatigue is something that can be applied to any teachings,
professors, teachers, doctors, they must all get tired from time to time having to explain and answer the same question over and over again, they realize what we have discussed over this topic, and that is to not make the lesson too complicated,
earlier someone mentioned how our would is fractal based and its true, its the only way to make something so Big be so Small, honestly its pretty Scary but it works!! 

samething goes for any teaching or lesson, each lesson, skill, ability, etc. has its own story its own "BOOK"
so when someone starts to ask about a specific technique, or situation, STOP TRYING TO READ THEM THE WHOLE BOOK, AND JUST TELL THEM WHERE TO FIND IT  , its saves alot of time

and again whether they decide to read the book or not is up to them, then their the ones responsible for their own learning

[Stookie_]

There was a time when I was getting bored of reading the same newbie questions over and over, the same debates, the same opinions. And not just the AP, but the whole internet. So now I limit my time on the internet and don't log on during the weekends at all. It's healthier for my mind. "But what about the people that need help?" If they're serious, they'll figure it out. When I do help, it's mostly those I feel are very genuine in wanting to change their lives, not just pick up a new hobby.

Really, I'm just a member with some experience who may be able to help a fellow AP'er out. Even when I was a mod, I never considered myself higher/better than any members, I was just the one who cleaned up the messes. No one here is certified.

[Bedeekin]

It's strange... I don't get bored at all giving newbies advice... no matter what questions they ask. what I tend to do is treat it as a first to answer, first to serve basis.

If I catch a newbie after their first post then I will give them as much as I can... if someone else answers them I try to leave it with them rather than thrust another viewpoint or method onto them... especially if the newbie has built up a rapport with the experienced member.

[M4RT1N]

44 replies  there should be an extremely hot topic and an ultra hot topic.

[Szaxx]

Hi,
I'm working on an easy to learn blueprint at present. It'll hopefully remove some of the basic questions by beginners trying it out first. It's basic and informative allowing variations and it promotes self learning.
Hopefully its not too long and enough info is presented within. It can be changed if necessary to improve any part or add a pertinent fact that has been overlooked.
Hopefully its good enough to help someone.

[Bedeekin]

Nice...

I'm working on a Sleep Paralysis treatise at the moment for the Pulse. Although there are oodles of resources out there, this forum deserves something more concise, relative and custom made towards those that don't understand it. Hopefully it will help those who AP but don't experience it to recognise it when a newbie lists unusual phenomena they are experiencing that is plainly SP related... and to those who do experience it but interpret it as something else.

I am completely aware that SP/VS isn't a requirement to experience the nonphysical, but it is very common and needs to be addressed.

[Szaxx]

Nice one, it will be an interesting read. I seem to have been immune to SP and the vibes. There's lots out there and now there's going to be, the 'in-house' thesis too.
I'll learn something Im sure.

[Bedeekin]

Yes...

The thing is, it's very easy to experience SP... too easy. It's mainly a biological process that forces a sudden change in consciousness that instantly puts one in a non-physical state of awareness... not focus. It requires a specific sleep pattern... hence why narcoleptics 'suffer' from it.

Apart from the actual act of it and what is happening I have had to reassess the importance of it.

The house thesis?

Is that beetlejuice syndrome or the common dream thing we were threading about recently?

[Xanth]

Very good posts from everyone.

No... not at all... in fact I prefer it now because I am comfortable with myself and others.

I get a different feeling than I used to.. .or rather I have different motives, that are less to do about wanting to be egotistically correct and right about what I could teach and more to do with guiding others using what I have learned.

I used to think that I was 100% right though. Ask anyone from Astral Viewers (R.I.P.)... I am slightly embarrassed about the original 'Bedeekin's method' I posted online years ago. Very aggressive... very dismissive. 

I took a long sabbatical because I had some experiences and events that changed my whole outlook... and I've been humbled by them. My theories haven't changed... in fact they were affirmed and given body, reason and volume by My Big TOE. But my outlook has.

I actually didn't feel 'spiritual' and rebuked 'spirituality' for a long time. I was very practical in my approach and a lot of what I used to say I didn't truly believe because on one side I KNEW that I had experienced precognition and positive affirmed remote hits involving RTZ projections.. but dismissed other things that others had experienced because they didn't fit within my defined pragmatism. so I was sort of... contradicting myself a lot.

something like....

"I denounce your theory of auras because I haven't seen evidence of them, but did I tell you about the time I was seeing through the eyes of a child alien in another reality that had lost her parents..." 

Seriously.. I was that bad.

This post, Bedeekin, really hits it for me.

I find that the more I delve, learn and grow spiritually... the more I realize that astral projection by itself is just about meaningless and learning to do it before learning other more important things is putting the buggy before the horse.  Sure, you'll eventually get to where you're going, but you're going to struggle and it's going to suck every step of the way... and you're, most likely, going to quit because you're not getting "right away".

I question why I still come here every day... and, honestly, I still haven't really come up with a good answer that I feel is "right".  I do want to help guide people... but I also find that a vast majority of people here don't want guidance.  They want to get what they're looking for with as little work as possible to do it as fast as they can.  To those people I say good luck finding your needle, it's somewhere over there in that huge haystack the size of the cosmos.

You can tell the people who come here genuinely searching for answers... they're the ones who put in the time to actually FIND what they're looking for instead of having things handed to them on a silver platter.  I guess it's those "genuine" people whom are the people I continue here for.

Oh... and I enjoy banning spammers.  ^_^