I wouldnt think of them as seperate dimensions as much as planes. There are however, 10 + dimensions in string theory [:D]
The Zeta have also mentioned 10 dimensions, the 3rd that we live in and higher, they have also mentioned lower ones too, but that they do know of the higher realms and everything they do imprints on what happens here. Something about Elementals, for more on that you should read the topic. Zeta Project - Zeta Conversations and questions. I don't think that the 4th is the astral though, but it is eaisier to project from there as is said from Zeta and Reptilians.
Well, I'm sorry Van-Stolin but I do not believe all the theories and babble and hype surrounding the Zetas/Greys, and the newly "discovered" "Reptilian" race either. And yes, for all you readers who "know" about the Causal (whatever you want to call it) Plane, there are planes above it. The highest plane is allegedly "God," the highest of high beings. The Source of all Life.
Later
~FT
if you wish to know more about the source of life, well at least on this planet rea the 12th planet :) gives alot of nice info :D
-Pawel-
the book "the pleiadian agenda" talks a lot about these dimensions, 1 dimensional to 9 dimensional. See my post about it in the book reviews section.
theres too many conflicting ideas about these planes/higher dimensions for me too be comfortable accepting as fact, first i heard there were 7 planes, next was 9, then there was infinate dimensions occuring simultaneously and so on....
I know there are states of being higher and lower than man- thats enough for me...
all this about earth being 3d and god being the source etc is more confusing than it needs to be, theres too many different sources of information on the multidimensional nature of things, too many interpretations and too much terminology.
I think if we study all these different sources combined with actual experience and knowledge about operating in these realms, well find a correlation somewhere....hopefully.
Good point, Rodentmouse. The reason you and even I are uncomfortable with these things is because you can't just point and say "that is the astral plane" while in the OBE environs. It's just too much for us to understand.
I own a copy of The 12th Planet, but I have so much material to read I haven't actually gotten around to it yet. But it doesn't "prove" the source of life on earth, or the place man came from. It's as much a theory as the big bang or God. Yes, God is a theory.
~FT
Fat Turkey, the act of slamming a door is usually considered "shutting it with more force than normal", so your signature is easily possible (but instead of a loud bang, youd get a slightly louder whoosh sound).
As for dimentions, I agree with rodentmouse that every theory on the dimentions subject relates to each other in some way, as if each one holds a broken piece of some medallion, and only if you put them together you'll fix it. Now, what you need here isn't more "well what if..."s, but more of a detailed list of all the theories everyone has so far so they can be more easily and readily compared.
Now that I'm looking, and thinking more about dimentional theory, would it be possible to reside in a partial dimention, for example we live in the 3rd dimention based on visualization alone (xyz). Would it be possible to then add a partial dimention to that...so that you would reside in the 3 1/2 dimention or something crazy like that?
No,no my friends.
There is an error in concept here. What you all term dimensions and the manner you are reffering to them in; this is commonly understood as "densities", being hierarchial and perpendicular to each other in nature. "Dimensions" are parallel and on the same density level. For example a "parallel" dimension showing the Nazi's winning WWII and the effects on third "density".
Someone on this list was of the opinion that there is too much terminology in the metaphysical/mystical field. Perhaps the real problem is a misunderstanding of the terminology in the first place.
Of course these are only my observations and understandings, perhaps some will concur with them and glean a small amount of understanding.
Sincerely,
Simultaneous
Ybom, my sig is for laughs, not serious spiritual debate [|)].
As for all of you who blab on about density levels, aliens, blah blah whatever, they're all theory, and theory means "what if." Can't prove a thing until you die. As for me, I just believe there is an astral plane and I leave it at that for me to explore.
Later
~FT
Simultaneous, I agree that the normal meaning of dimensions requires they be cartesian, but there are also dimensions in our curved space. They are not a whole number, but very close. The angles of a triangle in our space dont sum to exactly 180 degrees. The "densities" are curved and weirdly shaped a lot more, and in my opinion, can be called extra dimensions because some things about them can change while maintaining position in the other dimensions. Thats the same as cartesian dimensions. X can change without Y or Z moving.
Beaves can you explain further on what you mean by "angles of a triangle in our space don't sum to exactly 180 degrees "?
Thanks
A "whoosh" is definitely not a "slam." Period. You are simply WRONG Ybom ... WRONG. As much as you would like to do so, you cannot make a "whoosh" equate with a "slam."
Unless, of course, you got it spinning really fast and then jumped in front of it. Then it would slam into your 3rd density body, while your subtle body "whooshed" on into never-never land ... [:P]
RE: triangle
It has to do with Euclid's 5th postulate, and is rather technical if you don't have a background in math. It has to do with parallel lines.
But in a nutshell, traditional Euclidean geometry, the angles add to 180 because the figure is assumed to be on a flat, 2D plane, and that the physical space respresented by Euclidean geometry is assumed to be "straight," for want of a better term. In non-Euclidean geometries, which more accurately dipict the nature real space-time, such "figures" are distorted to some degree because the space-time continuum "curves" and "bends," so to speak.
It's a little bit like the difference between Newtonian physics and Quantum physics, in that the Newtonian model is accurate enough for everyday observations but breaks down when attempting to describe what happens at the sub-atomic level.
I think it it pointless and naive to speculate how many dimensions there are. Why try to go higher than the 4th when we can not even understand that one yet?
and no... the 4th dimension axis is _NOT_ time, that is just an errorous conception about it in my opinion, but it could be that time is a consequence of
the 4TH dimension and/or changes in it. It may also be that time
functions very differently in the 4TH dimension. If we start to think
about what time is. Then we can make a parallel that time = movement.
For every time unit we go 'forward' everything in the universe moves or rotates forward in its gravitational paths. So can someone
tell me how in the hell movement is 90 degrees to the X,Y and Z axis when it is only a definition of movement within this 3D world and nothing else.
Einstein was right but he was also wrong :)
What would the 1st dimension be like? Is there no such thing or could you only move in one direction? Would that direction be forward?
A very lovely program was just released by NOVA and PBS a few months ago called "The Elegant Universe," based on the book about string theory by Brian Greene. The entire 3-hour series is viewable online, with extra interviews and articles. One of them is on imagining extra dimensions (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/dimensions.html).
Sounds very similar to something I was reading regardeing Quantum physics-except I thought it was 11 dimensions...anyhow-intresting thought!
A few years ago, my teacher told the class that a very wise man told her that there are approximately 10 dimensions. The 3rd is what we apparantly reside in, and the 4th spans across the waves of time (Real time Zone/Astral?). Above our dimension the man claimed we cannot percieve, and the lower dimensions we can see, but anything in a lower dimension could not see us, for the minds of those beings/things would be too simple to comprehend it.
But with Astral Projection, we are essentially going into and percieving another dimension. So that must be it. Our physical brains cannot percieve anything higher, but that is why we have our other energetic bodies.
Any other thoughts and comments appreciated
~FT