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Are you having trouble achieving an exit? Are you not sure if you are getting relaxed enough? Maybe you feel that you are SO close to an exit but just can't get there? You read about "exit sensations", but don't know what to do with the sensations you do feel? You can't remember or maintain the experience longer than a minute or even a few seconds? Simply put, tell us where you think that you are getting "stuck" in the process and we will help you to find a solution. Your support team consists of members who are experienced with most methods for reaching the Out Of Body state or a proper Non-Physical state of consciousness.

Whether you started with a book by one of the four Roberts (Monroe, Bruce, Peterson, Waggoner) or William Buhlman or Kurt Leland or Frank Kepple, or if you even discovered OBE's naturally and on your own, we can draw from multiple disciplines to assist you. We also understand that there can be many unforeseen obstacles to this process which can cause frustration; mostly because we have been there as well, just the same as you.

So, if you have been reading, if you have been lurking, then we invite you to step out of the shadows and help us to help you- Give us some brief information about yourself: What are you trying to achieve and why? -Is it a spiritual goal of helping, or visiting a deceased loved one, or are you just looking for adventure? (These are all perfectly valid reasons) And where do you think you are getting stuck in the process?

Your support team awaits!

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Oh sorry, we don't allow advertising on the Astral Pulse.... oh, wait... it's FOR the Astral Pulse?! 
We're seriously that good?!  AWESOME!

COME ONE!! COME ALL!!  :)

I am smashing the etheric like button right now!!!

I have been stuck for about a month now.... Where is the hotline phone number to call?  :-D :-D

Will do some advertising for this on other forums maybe.
:-D

 All kidding aside, I think this a great idea!  :-)

So, SCHMUSTIN, where do you feel your "block" is? As per the OP, tell us what your technique is, step by step and where you feel you are getting stuck. Let's see if we can help you turn your situation into the first success story here. What do you expect to come out of all of this?

Quote from: Lumaza on October 12, 2018, 23:54:56
All kidding aside, I think this a great idea!  :-)

So, SCHMUSTIN, where do you feel your "block" is? As per the OP, tell us what your technique is, step by step and where you feel you are getting stuck. Let's see if we can help you turn your situation into the first success story here. What do you expect to come out of all of this?

I will put this in writing tonight and post. Should I post in here or create a new topic?

I strongly believe I just need to have someone say something a specific way so the "Light Bulb" goes off... hope that makes scene.

Pressing hotline button*

 I just ended my Phase/soak session and today I focused on this thread here and especially your current situation SCHMUSTIN.

To add to the OP's quote above, I would also put the invite out for those that have had their 3-5 "buys" already and wish to take it up a notch. A buy in my use here, means that you have already had a few successes and now find it even more challenging to get back again, as in "stuck".  We could possibly use the thread for that as well. Making it a win, win "win" for everyone. Unless people here think that it would be better to we want to start another thread for that kind of conversation.

SCHMUSTIN, while focusing on your dilemma, without even knowing your chosen technique, I was shown it is more about the "Technician", than it is the "technique " in this case. So, we need to work on that. A good way to start is to have a good meditative talk with you and your higher self to find out why you are being challenged here. Next we can work on things like strengthening your focus ability in general. That's what I see and what my help to you at this current time would be.

The good thing about this "Hotline" idea is that we can get viewpoints from other members and experiencers here as well. You may not like what one person has to say and seem to sway more to another's view or way of helping. As long as the end result is the same, that's all that matters here.

Sammie, post away! We are all ears!

SCHMUSTIN, post it here. That way other people can benefit from the advise you receive here. I have a feeling that many people share the same problems when attempting to project/consciously shift.

Gee I'm off for a few days and look what you've done EV. LOL

I think this is a great idea to get more people to project more frequently. One of the things I noticed is that perhaps only Lumaza saw this as being more of a test and to be taken seriously, so last night I naturally use the hotline. I can't really wrap my head around what happened later as I had no expectations of what would happen but it was as if some sort of a switch had flicked there. Last thing I remember is flying somwehere and BAMM I was up. My memory there gone. (NVRMIND lol)

Quote from: Lumaza on October 13, 2018, 02:33:57
I just ended my Phase/soak session and today I focused on this thread here and especially your current situation SCHMUSTIN.

To add to the OP's quote above, I would also put the invite out for those that have had their 3-5 "buys" already and wish to take it up a notch. A buy in my use here, means that you have already had a few successes and now find it even more challenging to get back again, as in "stuck".  We could possibly use the thread for that as well. Making it a win, win "win" for everyone. Unless people here think that it would be better to we want to start another thread for that kind of conversation.

SCHMUSTIN, while focusing on your dilemma, without even knowing your chosen technique, I was shown it is more about the "Technician", than it is the "technique " in this case. So, we need to work on that. A good way to start is to have a good meditative talk with you and your higher self to find out why you are being challenged here. Next we can work on things like strengthening your focus ability in general. That's what I see and what my help to you at this current time would be.

The good thing about this "Hotline" idea is that we can get viewpoints from other members and experiencers here as well. You may not like what one person has to say and seem to sway more to another's view or way of helping. As long as the end result is the same, that's all that matters here.

Sammie, post away! We are all ears!

SCHMUSTIN, post it here. That way other people can benefit from the advise you receive here. I have a feeling that many people share the same problems when attempting to project/consciously shift.

Ok here I go.  I am going to explain in word, the best I can, the process I go through while working on projecting.

So, with my schedule, I use mainly what people refer to as the "Indirect Method".
I have started using the direct method but this is challenging LOL. Still a work in progress.

I know the "Indirect Method" is supposed to be a little bit harder of a way to go but for some reason I have always been drawn to it.

-I will go to bed about 30 to 45 minutes earlier.
-I take about 1 – 3 minutes to relax.
-At this point I will usually say a mantra a couple times.
-I will now start by counting (Backwards).
-Then try visualization. Or just looking into the blackness behind my eye lids.
- I will sit/lay and just keep my mind a quiet as possible and sit in silence. This is something I just started doing. I used to always be doing something in my mind but I find that as soon as I basically make it go silent, I get this feeling that my entire bode "tightens" ever so slightly, almost like a very small electric shock. Is this normal? If so, what should I do?
-Once I get the small electric sensation I mention in the point above. My mind will automatically start on a mantra or counting or having thoughts fly in/through it.
-Shortly after this I will start to get the sensation of movement hands, feet or head, or a combination. But have not had more than a partial exit. That I am aware of.

I feel it is important to note that in the last 4 – 6 weeks I am able to get a feeling of my hands legs or head moving. Fairly quick into the process, I would say on average 5 – 10 min.

So I am not sure what ells to say but I am sure there are key items I am missing.
Please ask question to get further information and I will answer.

I have been practicing this since October 2016 and I feel as I am missing a small piece of information to make the "light bulb" go off.

On a bright note I do feel more confident getting to where I am now in the process. To clarify this I mean that all the relaxing, counting, visuals, movement, noises (when I hear them). Basically I have gotten comfortable with the sensation I have been getting for the past 2 years.

Quote from: SCHMUSTIN on October 17, 2018, 02:37:13
Ok here I go.  I am going to explain in word, the best I can, the process I go through while working on projecting.

So, with my schedule, I use mainly what people refer to as the "Indirect Method".
I have started using the direct method but this is challenging LOL. Still a work in progress.

I know the "Indirect Method" is supposed to be a little bit harder of a way to go but for some reason I have always been drawn to it.

-I will go to bed about 30 to 45 minutes earlier.
-I take about 1 – 3 minutes to relax.
-At this point I will usually say a mantra a couple times.
-I will now start by counting (Backwards).
-Then try visualization. Or just looking into the blackness behind my eye lids.
- I will sit/lay and just keep my mind a quiet as possible and sit in silence. This is something I just started doing. I used to always be doing something in my mind but I find that as soon as I basically make it go silent, I get this feeling that my entire bode "tightens" ever so slightly, almost like a very small electric shock. Is this normal? If so, what should I do?
-Once I get the small electric sensation I mention in the point above. My mind will automatically start on a mantra or counting or having thoughts fly in/through it.
-Shortly after this I will start to get the sensation of movement hands, feet or head, or a combination. But have not had more than a partial exit. That I am aware of.

...and then what happens? Why did you stop?

Quotefeel it is important to note that in the last 4 – 6 weeks I am able to get a feeling of my hands legs or head moving. Fairly quick into the process, I would say on average 5 – 10 min.

Those are just effects though. It sounds like you are more focused on them than you are the actual exit. Passively observe them with a "air of curiosity".

I do have a few questions though. When you first start noticing the darkness before your eyes, do you get a slight impulse to "re-adjust" your eyes? I ask this because lately I have been attempting to slow the process down so I can note every little thing. I will get a impulse after having my eyes closed, whereas it is a urge to readjust my closed eyes. Like refocusing. If I ignore it, the urge will strengthen until it almost becomes like a "exploding head" effect. I ignore it further and almost immediately the darkness begins to change and I feel vibrations. I think this urge is one of those tests your body does to see if you still are still awake. When you beat the urge, your body will naturally begin to go through the normal/natural sleep pattern,  that you normally aren't consciously aware of.

What kind of exit are you "expecting"? Are you looking for a "etheric", full body exit?

You have chosen one of the toughest times to project. Many people prefer the 3-4 am hour to awake and attempt their exit. The reasons for this being that they normally already have 4-5 of hours of sleep in and now have interrupted their REM cycle. When you first go to bed at night, you are already mentally tired and ready to completely "tune out".

Another time people are successful is after they awake in the morning. They program their minds to not move or even open their eyes when they naturally awaken in the morning. This makes it easier to go back from where they just came, their last Dream or they can make a new intent and discover that. They haven't fully reoriented themselves to their physical waking body yet.

Then there is the process wake back to bed. Whereas you awaken, get up for about 1/2 an hour, then go back to bed and do a attempt. Once again, this is successful because you still haven't full oriented yourself yet to being awake. Just don't drink a coffee, lol?

You call your technique "Indirect", but to me, I still see it as "Direct". There was no loss of consciousness involved. When I do what you did above, set my affirmation and notice before I go to sleep, that will normally lead to a LD, not a full bells and whistles projection.

Other than that, I would say your technique is good. Counting, Mantras, etc. work very good for some people. I like playing games with counting. Once in awhile I mentally count to 300. Sometimes, I change it up and just run 1-20 and 20-1 in a continuous cycle. I even like to do the more challenging way, which is counting and as soon as my thought leaves the count, which happens often, I immediately start the count over again. This is great way to "lose yourself" while you are awaiting the natural shift to occur. It also teaches you how to "hone" your focus ability.

I think you may be giving up to soon. I find the "separation/shift" occurs, after all the bells and whistles have been exhausted. I shift during the "calm" after the storm, per se.

I don't like to practice in my bed though. In my view, "bed is for sleeping". We train ourselves all our lives for that. Instead, get up and use a comfortable chair.

I have given you some things here to work on and I am sure some other experienced members here will soon share what works for them and how to possibly help you as well. Apply what feels right.

Good Luck!  :-)

Schmustin, I second Lumaza's advice about the clock time. If I were you would also try the indirect Wake-Back-To-Bed method and give myself 3 hours of sleep, then after the alarm-clock rings would give it a try. It can make a difference. It did so for me. Give it a try if you can and will.

QuoteI do have a few questions though. When you first start noticing the darkness before your eyes, do you get a slight impulse to "re-adjust" your eyes? I ask this because lately I have been attempting to slow the process down so I can note every little thing. I will get a impulse after having my eyes closed, whereas it is a urge to readjust my closed eyes. Like refocusing. If I ignore it, the urge will strengthen until it almost becomes like a "exploding head" effect. I ignore it further and almost immediately the darkness begins to change and I feel vibrations. I think this urge is one of those tests your body does to see if you still are still awake. When you beat the urge, your body will naturally begin to go through the normal/natural sleep pattern,  that you normally aren't consciously aware of.

Had a Frank K flashback reading this, as about 2 yrs ago when I found this place and was reading his compilations, he always talked about the eyes. I don't think Ive seen hardly ANY posts since then about this part of the body. So much concern about relaxing the body, but how much impact can restless eyes have? Frank suggested looking up with eyes closed to the point of slightly straining them if I recall. I know for me, in the beginning, my eyes are sort of jerking and searching for something to focus on. Is there a consensus on direction of eyes and/or is it just a matter of doing other things like counting to take our focus away from eyes? Not sure if Im getting my point/question  :?

My problem is I haven't spontaneously gotten to the vibration stage during my sleep for like a year, at least not while conscious. Then suddenly it happened tonight, but that immense fear
had returned and I wasn't prepared and just wanted back into my body, even though I was already out.. :(

Quote from: Lumaza on October 17, 2018, 07:37:50
...and then what happens? Why did you stop?
Those are just effects though. It sounds like you are more focused on them than you are the actual exit. Passively observe them with a "air of curiosity".

That is a good question... Not 100% sure why I stop, never really thought about it. Best answer I can give at thins point it either 1) I feel it is time to go to bed and get the rest 2) I feel the experience is over and I wont get anything more out of it. I realize my believing make is so.

You may be correct, Once I feel a part of my body moving I focus on it and work on getting it to move more. No that I think about it the limb that is moving never dose what I want it to do.  :?

Quote from: Lumaza on October 17, 2018, 07:37:50

What kind of exit are you "expecting"? Are you looking for a "etheric", full body exit?

Ha ha ha.... Yes I would love the experience of opening my eyes and seeing my physical body laying on the bed. But I also realize that I will get what I need, when I need it, and it may not be what I think I want.

Quote from: Lumaza on October 17, 2018, 07:37:50

I do have a few questions though. When you first start noticing the darkness before your eyes, do you get a slight impulse to "re-adjust" your eyes?

Okay, I know this is something I missed when I was doing the original post.... Thanks for the question....

After a bit into the process. I will start looking into the blackness and work on keeping my mind silent.
After a few seconds it is almost like there is... Don't really know how to explain this in words...
But it is like a second set of eye lids is slowly lowered over the "Blackness" that was originally their and as the "eye lids" (We will call them that for now as I don't know how ells to explain it) slowly lower over my eyes the blackness becomes blacker/darker... This is where the small electric shock sensation comes over my whole body.

As far as wanting to re-adjust my eyes... yes I think I know what you are talking about but cant say for sure.
More so I get the feeling as if sand is placed where my upper eye lids would contact my lower eye lids. Not sand in my eyes but just where the two touch. It is really hard to not open them. I can usually "will" it away and not pay much attention to it now.

Quote from: Lumaza on October 17, 2018, 07:37:50

You have chosen one of the toughest times to project. Many people prefer the 3-4 am hour to awake and attempt their exit. The reasons for this being that they normally already have 4-5 of hours of sleep in and now have interrupted their REM cycle. When you first go to bed at night, you are already mentally tired and ready to completely "tune out".

Another time people are successful is after they awake in the morning. They program their minds to not move or even open their eyes when they naturally awaken in the morning. This makes it easier to go back from where they just came, their last Dream or they can make a new intent and discover that. They haven't fully reoriented themselves to their physical waking body yet.

Then there is the process wake back to bed. Whereas you awaken, get up for about 1/2 an hour, then go back to bed and do a attempt. Once again, this is successful because you still haven't full oriented yourself yet to being awake. Just don't drink a coffee, lol?

Even at this time (Bed Time) when I am physically and mentally exhausted I still find I am able to keep my mind alert (really without much effort) and I will only fall asleep when I make the conscious decision to do so.

Now on the other hand you are right I do know that some nights (rare) I am way to tired to lay their and project so I opt to just go to bed.  
But I will set an intent to project upon waking or remembering my dreams... Something like that.

Quote from: Lumaza on October 17, 2018, 07:37:50

You call your technique "Indirect", but to me, I still see it as "Direct". There was no loss of consciousness involved. When I do what you did above, set my affirmation and notice before I go to sleep, that will normally lead to a LD, not a full bells and whistles projection.

Other than that, I would say your technique is good. Counting, Mantras, etc. work very good for some people. I like playing games with counting. Once in awhile I mentally count to 300. Sometimes, I change it up and just run 1-20 and 20-1 in a continuous cycle. I even like to do the more challenging way, which is counting and as soon as my thought leaves the count, which happens often, I immediately start the count over again. This is great way to "lose yourself" while you are awaiting the natural shift to occur. It also teaches you how to "hone" your focus ability.

I think you may be giving up to soon. I find the "separation/shift" occurs, after all the bells and whistles have been exhausted. I shift during the "calm" after the storm, per se.

Sorry you are right I meant to say "Direct" ... Got the two mixed up.

I as well play games with counting, I find counting works well for me to keep my mind active when needed.

Think I'm giving up to soon? On average a session will go to 20 - 25 minutes. I set a 30 min alarm. Sooooo I will usually make the decision to end the session (as I detailed in my original post) due to the fact the usually after the second set of "eye lids" come don nothing really happens so I end the session and go to bed. I take it I should keep my focus harder than ever at this point and push through the nothingness?

Quote from: Volgerle on October 17, 2018, 19:21:48
Schmustin, I second Lumaza's advice about the clock time. If I were you would also try the indirect Wake-Back-To-Bed method and give myself 3 hours of sleep, then after the alarm-clock rings would give it a try. It can make a difference. It did so for me. Give it a try if you can and will.

I did just start venturing in to techniques like these only a couple months ago.
Have not had much /any success with these yet but am still trying theses out on the weekends or, if i don't have to work the next day.

Quote from: Yodad on October 17, 2018, 19:56:57
Had a Frank K flashback reading this, as about 2 yrs ago when I found this place and was reading his compilations, he always talked about the eyes. I don't think Ive seen hardly ANY posts since then about this part of the body. So much concern about relaxing the body, but how much impact can restless eyes have? Frank suggested looking up with eyes closed to the point of slightly straining them if I recall. I know for me, in the beginning, my eyes are sort of jerking and searching for something to focus on. Is there a consensus on direction of eyes and/or is it just a matter of doing other things like counting to take our focus away from eyes? Not sure if Im getting my point/question  :?

I had issues all kinds of issues with my eyes. Sometimes they felt like my eyelids were opening. I fixed that with a "Blindfold". I used to use the "Mindfold", but it got rather ragged, so I replaced it with a much better design. The mindfold lasted me a year though. It wasn't comfortable to sleep with though. This one is: https://www.dreamessentials.com/product-66/escape-luxury-sleep-mask-with-earplugs-and-carry-pouch

The movement of the eyes be bothersome. I found a way to fix that too, by focusing upwards, like I was now seeing with my 3rd eye or what they call the "Mind's eye". It was like changing screens, from visual to more of a mental picture. It's hard to explain, but when you do it, your physical eyes won't "chase" the visuals anymore.

I found that once I truly learned to "passively observe", that visuals just began happening quicker and with more vividness. I normally ignore a visual until it does become very vivid. This means that there is a stage of "fade ins and fade outs". You normally know when it's time to "engage" the scene.

I used to have a great link over at Xanth's Forum in Destynee's Plan sub-forum there. It was in a thread titled "Learn to Focus". The link went to a YouTube video where you watched a ball moving around the screen. The screen would change dramatically from clouds to mountains, etc.. The challenge was to keep your focus on the center of the screen, while the images around it were moving. It really taught you how to "lock in" and hold your focus.
I doesn't seem to be there anymore. But I know YouTube did a major clean-up of all there prior videos. Copyrights and everything.
Here it is. I just found it again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxvb9pgkrvI&list=PL2RpAxWhbdxqDI-jyPdG5826X6Vgoktu0

Another great "target focus" is candle staring. I am a strong proponent of that. You do it in a pitch black room, so that you can only see the flame in front of you. You stare at the flaming candle for about 10-15 minutes. You then blow out the candle and immediately close your eyes. Now, there is a automatic "imprint" of that candle's flame in visual screen. The trick is to hold it as long as you can. When it goes away, will it back. Play with that for a while, with complete focus on the task at hand and watch what happens. Candle staring was my first totally conscious "Direct" experience. While staring at the imprint in my closed eyes visual screen, I started feeling vibrations. They came on quite quickly and soon I felt like I was in a actual Earthquake. The sounds that accompanied it were of what could only be described as a Helicopter about to land on my home. Then everything went silent and I was seeing the room I was in. I then felt movement and saw I was venturing around my home. It was scary, but I was hooked, lol!

Quote from: Sammie on October 17, 2018, 20:05:07
My problem is I haven't spontaneously gotten to the vibration stage during my sleep for like a year, at least not while conscious. Then suddenly it happened tonight, but that immense fear
had returned and I wasn't prepared and just wanted back into my body, even though I was already out.. :(

I know that fear. Once in awhile, it still gets me today too. I then kick myself for letting it, after the fact!  :oops: :-(

Congratulations! Almost!  :-)

Quote from: SCHMUSTIN on October 17, 2018, 21:32:36
That is a good question... Not 100% sure why I stop, never really thought about it. Best answer I can give at thins point it either 1) I feel it is time to go to bed and get the rest 2) I feel the experience is over and I wont get anything more out of it. I realize my believing make is so.

You may be correct, Once I feel a part of mu body moving I focus on it and work on getting it to move more. No that I think about it the limb that is moving never dose what I want it to do.  :?

Ha ha ha.... Yes I would love the experience of opening my eyes and seeing my physical body laying on the bed. But I also realize that I will get what I need, when I need it, and it may not be what I think I want.

Okay, I know this is something I missed when I was doing the original post.... Thanks for the question....

After a bit into the process. I will start looking into the blackness and work on keeping my mind silent.
After a few seconds it is almost like there is... Don't really know how to explain this in words...
But it is like a second set of eye lids is slowly lowered over the "Blackness" that was originally their and as the "eye lids" (We will call them that for now as I don't know how ells to explain it) slowly lower over my eyes the blackness becomes blacker... This is where the small electric shock sensation comes over my whole body.

As far as wanting to re-adjust my eyes... yes i think i know what you are talking about but cant say for sure. More so i get the feeling as if sand is placed where my upper eye lids would contact my lower eye lids. Not sad in my eyes but just where the two touch. It is really hard to not open them. I can usually will it away and not pay much attention to it.


Even at this time (Bed Time) when I am physically and mentally exhausted I still find I am able to keep my mind alert (really without much effort) and I will only fall asleep when I make the conscious decision to do so.

Now on the other hand you are right I do know that some nights (rare) I am way to tired to lay their and project so I opt to just go to bed.  
But I will set an intent to project upon waking or remembering my dreams... Something like that.

Sorry you are right I meant to say "Direct" ... Got the two mixed up.

I as well play games with counting, I find counting works well for me to keep my mind active when needed.

Think I'm giving up to soon? On average a session will go to 20 - 25 minutes. I set a 30 min alarm. Sooooo I will usually make the decision to end the session (as I detailed in my original post) due to the fact the usually after the second set of "eye lids" come don nothing really happens so I end the session and go to bed. I take it I should keep my focus harder than ever at this point and push through the nothingness?

I did just start venturing in to techniques like these only a couple months ago.
Have not had much /any success with these yet but am still trying theses out on the weekends or, if i don't have to work the next day.

SCHMUSTIN, there are many sensations and occurrences in this practice in general that are very hard to describe. The "feelings", eye movement impulse, things like that are hard to describe. You just kind of learn like you are blind and getting to "see" for the first time. You have to "feel" around.

That link above should help you with your focus. The trick is to keep your eyes centered, more like targeted. Instead of having them chase the visuals, try using just your "peripheral vison" to see and take in al the movements in your "visual screen".

Also, I noticed how you stated that you put 30 minutes into this. When I first began practicing in 2011, I would put at least an hour in before I got to feel any kind of intense vibrations. Sometimes it took a hour and half. It took me that long, because like you, I was chasing visuals and focusing on every little vibration, etheric body movement, basically anything that occurred. It was like one step forward, 3 steps back. I was constantly "resetting". But then I learned to just trust and passively observe all that I was seeing or feeling, until I just "knew", it was time to engage the scene/reality I was experiencing.

Quote from: Lumaza on October 17, 2018, 22:44:51
SCHMUSTIN, there is are many sensations and occurrences in this practice in general that are very hard to describe. The "feelings", eye movement impulse, things like that are hard to describe. You just kind of learn like you are blind and getting to "see" for the first time. You have to "feel" around.

That link above should help you with your focus. The trick is to keep your eyes centered, more like targeted. Instead of having them chase the visuals, try using just your "peripheral vison" to see and take in al the movements in your "visual screen".

Also, I noticed how you stated that you put 30 minutes into this. When I first began practicing in 2011, I would put at least an hour in before I got to feel any kind of intense vibrations. Sometimes it took a hour and half. It took me that long, because like you, I was chasing visuals and focusing on every little vibration, etheric body movement, basically anything that occurred. It was like one step forward, 3 steps back. I was constantly "resetting". But then I learned to just trust and passively observe all that I was seeing or feeling, until I just "knew", it was time to engage the scene/reality I was experiencing.

So in short I need to go longer and let it play out.... I am cutting it to short.

Got it... Thank you.... Will give it a go over the next couple days and see ho it pans out.

At the start I would lay there for 60 to 90 minutes and would not get as far as I do now in 20 to 30 minutes. I will let the process play out for at least an hour and see what comes with it.

Hoping for the best!!!  :-D :-D :-D

Quote from: SCHMUSTIN on October 18, 2018, 01:33:57
At the start I would lay there for 60 to 90 minutes and would not get as far as I do now in 20 to 30 minutes. I will let the process play out for at least an hour and see what comes with it.

I don't need 60 to 90 minutes anymore either. The reason it took that long in the beginning was that "I" was the one getting in the way of any successes. I would have a symptom and lock onto that, instead of just "passively observing" it. Once I had a few successes, I was taught by a mentor (deceased Brother-inlaw) the importance of "passively observing" and mentally "allowing" things/the shift to occur.

Quote from: Lumaza on October 18, 2018, 06:51:17
I don't need 60 to 90 minutes anymore either. The reason it took that long in the beginning was that "I" was the one getting in the way of any successes. I would have a symptom and lock onto that, instead of just "passively observing" it. Once I had a few successes, I was taught by a mentor (deceased Brother-inlaw) the importance of "passively observing" and mentally "allowing" things/the shift to occur.

I am having a hard time with the "passively observing"... I find it is better now a days, then it was a year ago. But I always latch on to a new sensation when they/it arises.

Is there a trick to this or is it simply a practice item?

Quote from: SCHMUSTIN on October 17, 2018, 02:37:13
Ok here I go.  I am going to explain in word, the best I can, the process I go through while working on projecting.

So, with my schedule, I use mainly what people refer to as the "Indirect Method".
I have started using the direct method but this is challenging LOL. Still a work in progress.

I know the "Indirect Method" is supposed to be a little bit harder of a way to go but for some reason I have always been drawn to it.

-I will go to bed about 30 to 45 minutes earlier.
-I take about 1 – 3 minutes to relax.
-At this point I will usually say a mantra a couple times.
-I will now start by counting (Backwards).
-Then try visualization. Or just looking into the blackness behind my eye lids.
- I will sit/lay and just keep my mind a quiet as possible and sit in silence. This is something I just started doing. I used to always be doing something in my mind but I find that as soon as I basically make it go silent, I get this feeling that my entire bode "tightens" ever so slightly, almost like a very small electric shock. Is this normal? If so, what should I do?
-Once I get the small electric sensation I mention in the point above. My mind will automatically start on a mantra or counting or having thoughts fly in/through it.
-Shortly after this I will start to get the sensation of movement hands, feet or head, or a combination. But have not had more than a partial exit. That I am aware of.

I feel it is important to note that in the last 4 – 6 weeks I am able to get a feeling of my hands legs or head moving. Fairly quick into the process, I would say on average 5 – 10 min.

So I am not sure what ells to say but I am sure there are key items I am missing.
Please ask question to get further information and I will answer.

I have been practicing this since October 2016 and I feel as I am missing a small piece of information to make the "light bulb" go off.

On a bright note I do feel more confident getting to where I am now in the process. To clarify this I mean that all the relaxing, counting, visuals, movement, noises (when I hear them). Basically I have gotten comfortable with the sensation I have been getting for the past 2 years.

My advice to you would be to continue your process but actually get as close to sleep as possible without falling asleep. Keep pulling yourself back from sleep before you cross the line and fall asleep. You will obviously eventually fall asleep but with the point being to get as close as possible and monitor for any electrical like sensations or noises. Do this especially upon waking. Upon waking immediately try to go back to sleep but remain consciois. You need to make these intents so you naturally do this every time you awake and/or go to sleep. Most nites nothing will happen. But the nites something does happen makes it all well worth it. Good luck!

Manifestations are amazing!

This blog came to me at the right time and with that in mind, here is where I am right now.

I have been practicing OBEs for about two months now. So far, I have had 2 successful exits in which i was able to explore and even grow an extra finger (pinky) just for fun (it wasn't).

After the first 2 successful (in one of them, i asked for assistance and a monk came and activated my kundalini and puff, I was out) exits came 5 semi-successful ones. So, here is where i feel a bit stuck.

One night, i was doing the back to bed technique (i moved to the sofa from the bed) and I was using the rollover tech and got to about 80% of the way (roll) till i felt something like a sheet of plastic holding me back. It took an incredible amount of force to break through it and when it finally snapped (ripped) I landed face down on the floor. The thing was that it felt so real that I thought i had actually fallen from the sofa while sleeping. I felt the floor, the weight of my body, the effort to get up from the floor, etc. It felt so real that I felt frustrated cause i new i was coming out and instead i felt to the ground. So, i decided to lay down in the sofa again to try one more time and AHA! I woke up in the sofa with the covers on. So I did not trust myself that i was out.

There where other two instances where this same thing happened. It felt too real to be obe and I hesitated and eventually woke up.

Then I met a hypnotherapy guy and we started experimenting with inducing obes with hypnosis. The first time was actually very successful. I was using the rollover tech and got to about 40ish % of the way, but it felt so real that i thought i was doing it in this reality, so i gave up. After the session finished, I mentioned this incident and he reported that i never moved.

then 3 night ago, I was practicing again and managed to come out 3 times for about a minute or so. each time withing maybe 30ish minutes of each other.

I don't know what i am doing wrong. Here is a detail step by step on how i approach it.

I go to bed at around 9 pm
I chant Ohm and meditate until i feel extremely relax. There was an instance where i heard 2 pops coming from my ears. about 5 minutes or so apart.
After I feel relax, I start repeating (in Spanish cause it seems to not work in English) I am out of my body. I repeat this non-stop till i fall sleep.
then i wake up at 3 am an move to the sofa where I try again.

My attempts are lengthy. I once tried for about 6 hours. So, i am def putting in the time and I feel that i am ready to really explore, but i keep coming back to my body a few minutes after i come out.

Hot Line, this is code red. please help!

Okay, you're actually doing really really well. I suggest the moment you realize, 'oh wow I was out' that at that point instead of allowing your consciousness to come fully online/aware that you stay in that half sleep state and drop back into where you left off.

On your next attempt look for things that are different when you feel you've failed. Since you KNOW you were out once you really woke up before then you KNOW you can do this and that it IS happening. So next time go with whatever is happening, that is falling on the floor or whatever. Perhaps the lights are on but you know they were off. Or the doorknob is not the one you know is on the door. Little things like that and those little differences will tell you you aren't in Kansas anymore Dorothy.

Good going, you CAN do this

First- In my opinion, you are not doing anything wrong.

In your first post you don't exactly state just what it is that you are thinking is wrong, so I will assume that your frustration is with just how short in time your OBEs have been, and the fact that you are not immediately launching off into some adventures.

The simple truth is that this is how it is for most all of us early on in our efforts.

There are several aspects at work here and I am not sure anyone can really pinpoint just which ones apply directly to you; so I will present some ideas.

1- Your OBEs are very brief because you are learning to utilize the etheric energy body which requires a fair amount of energy and only has a short time of operation. It is like a scuba tank with only 40 minutes of air; this energy body early on only has a few minutes at most. Also there is the question of storing and maintaining the memory and transferring it to the Physical Reality (PR) consciousness. This can actually be a bit difficult early on.

2- If your first OBEs are etheric in nature, then you only have a very small range to operate within, proximity to your physical body...50 feet at most. So you need to stay within your apartment or house, maybe the backyard at the most. Moving beyond that boundary will often cause loss of consciousness.

3-If you can find yourself operating beyond that 50 foot distance, then it likely means that you have activated your consciousness within your astral body, and that will begin a whole new area of development, and this is where your initial idea of "adventures" may begin...

4-There is learning to take place at every level, and as Nameless pointed out, this learning begins right there in your bedroom/living room at the etheric level. Slow down and take careful notice of everything that you can. Just observe. Is the room the same as the PR version? Has some furniture re-arranged? Have some new fixtures appeared? Look at your energy body; how do you move? Are you floating; can you put your hand through the wall? What does that feel like?

Do not rush the process. There are very specific lessons to be learned in these early OBEs. We cannot define each and every one of them for you; they are often very definite and personal insights that need to be experienced and learned before you can move on; one of these insights is in fact the patience of allowing the space to learn these very insights!

5-I will say this, that it seems apparent to me that you are in fact being forced to slow down and focus on these subtle aspects of your current experiences...that your training has already begun, that some outside influences are taking an interest in your education. So accept that and go with it; relax a bit and go with the flow of what is presented. Push when it feels right but don't fight.

Also, don't try for six hours...that was no doubt a beautiful effort; but it does not have to be that difficult. 20 minutes to an hour. Sometimes you just need to take a break. If you feel the absolute need for the three day shamanic sweat lodge, then go for it...I have found that much can be done comfortably at home :-).

Great post and thank you for sharing!

EV

Thanks for these words of encouragement. They mean a lot to me. I feel better now. I know I have the tendency to rush into things. To always try to push and accelerate the learning process without respecting the abc's. I would like to add a bit of background as to my energy work. I was blessed to manifest a group with whom I have been training pure energy (psi) work. We have successfully done telepathy exercises and other energy related tasks. Like moving someone with your energy and without touching them. We have learned about intake, grounding and centering. I have been also introduced to shamanic plant medicine work. I received the blessings of San Pedro ceremony and recently Kambo and Rapè.

To sum things up and give a better understanding of my purpose here, I feel the call to become a healer. A life coach of sorts that integrates practices and knowledge from all sorts of spiritual and energetic practices. I have been researching O.B.E, Buddhism, Taoism, shamanic, wicca, trauma work through inner child, shadow work and other mindsets and techniques to develop a way to better help my fellow brothers and sisters.

I appreciate all the guidance that can be given to accomplish this beautiful task.

Hi All! I thought I'd ask for any advice if that's okay.

I just began trying to astral project from a meditation state about a month ago. I've tried in the morning, afternoon and evening. I also learned how we can AP from a lucid dream, so I also began the process of trying to become aware of when I am in a dream. The following has happened five times so far. I am aware I am dreaming. I "go back" to my body and begin vibrating. The vibrating just happens. I don't make it happen. The vibrating seems to last about 15-25 seconds, I suppose (although it's hard to be certain). The first time I vibrated, it was intense; and I also heard a rushing wind and beautiful music. It was a fantastic experience. The next four times I vibrated were soft and pleasant. I heard a soft wind the second time and not the other three times. I've tried to exit during vibrations, and I've tried to exit after the vibrations have subsided. One time during vibrations, I lifted my astral arms but couldn't sit up, so I lifted one leg but couldn't lift the other. Then my body woke up and the experience ended. I was not totally sure whether this lifting of my body parts was a dream or the astral body. Although, it felt quite real, physically. This last time upon "coming back" from a dream and the vibrations came on, I felt my head sort of come back into position and softly adjust to the comfort of my pillow (I realized later, it was actually my astral head I felt). I then instinctively (because this is how I prepare to meditate) pulled my hair back (I don't like it touching my face or neck), I put my head back down on my pillow and put my arms to my side. Again, I realized later this was not my physical body doing this. When I "came to" and the experience ended, my body was on its side and NOT on its back at all, but I definitely "physically" felt all these motions when I was doing them (in other words, it was NOT like when I dream and feel nothing physically). I have tried to exit using the rope method, the lines of force method (this method seems to do something in me like make me feel...dizzy), the floating up method while also picturing the ceiling (and I do feel a bit of sloshing in my head), and lastly, imagining myself standing in front of my bedroom door with my hand on the doorknob.

I have a feeling that part of the reason I haven't been able to project is due to fear. I'm a recovering fundamentalist Christian (LOL) and I recently came across The Law of One where the ET entity who is called Ra (social memory complex existing on higher level of consciousness, who also happens to have evolved from Venus) said that one must be careful exiting the physical body. (Another similar entity Q'uo said something like that as well). There is supposedly a chance (although slim) a negative entity (existing on a higher level of consciousness) can *trick* a novice into following them to a negative space/time existence and their physical body will die.

Okay, I know this sounds very new age and being that my personality type has always sort of gravitated to the spiritual, this is what I've been reading. However, I *don't* want to get all fundamental about it, like I did with Christianity. That's the last thing I want to do! But I know myself and because of some of the things I've read, it's now in my subconscious and now I have to work harder to get past the fear. When I read that about a negative entity being able to do that, in all honesty it didn't resonate as something that could happen. I'm trying harder to trust my gut these days.

I don't think my gut is taking over yet, though. Two times this week, I dreamed I was in a house (first dream with my sister and second dream I don't remember who but it was more than one person) and went around closing all the windows and shades in every room. In my dream this morning, I saw that some gorillas got loose and I wanted to shut them out (I had watched a sweet gorilla video the day before). Some of the people in the house with me deliberately went outside to see the gorillas. I heard them laughing like they were having fun with the gorillas. Something about these dreams made me think maybe I was still having some fear to explore and maybe the folks who went outside to enjoy the gorillas were another part of me saying, "You're missing out."

So, I thought maybe I should focus on WILDs for now. From what I understand, one waits for hypnagogic images and that's sort of a window into a lucid dream. I just started practicing that. Seems so similar to what I do when trying to deliberately project (OBE). But, unfortunately, I don't really get much of those hypnagogic images. Not yet anyway. I'll keep trying.

Well, that's it. Any advice? :-D

This is a great post Lighthouse4!

Despite your apparent frustration, you are making good progress and the clarity of your description is excellent; it's really a bit difficult for me to make sure that I comment on all your noteworthy insights! Personally I am lousy at doing quotes, so I have to give an abbreviated mention of them to get started.

First, a point of clarification that might help: You state that you are aware that you can AP from a dream, and then you describe doing it and becoming lucid enough in a dream to then imagine going back to your Physical body and making an 'etheric' exit. The truth is that you are already 'out'! More than likely, once you become lucid within a dream, you are now in your astral body. And you can move on from there into more important experiences. But instead, you are trying to return and manifest an etheric body exit...now that is all fine and good, but you are encountering some difficulty. You are, in fact, close to an etheric exit when you do this; you are noticing many of the various etheric exit sensations (vibrations, body-loosening, etc), but you become stuck. Bcause your Higher Self wants you to realize the distinct difference between the states. And another big aspect of this is encountering and overcoming any remaining FEAR issues, as you have properly recognized.

So, one way to deal with the fear is to re-program and reassure yourself with some simple pre-practice/pre-meditation affirmations-

I ask permission of my Higher Self to move Out of Body. I know that I am safe and protected.

I wish to experience the out of body consciousness. I ask for permission and grant it to myself. I trust in the protection and experience of my Guides.

This is a bit of re-programming the personal computer and asking for and allowing permission from the subconscious safeguards that are in place for all of us. I had to figure out my own safeguards and gently lower them. And actually, I think that you are doing quite well all on your own.

Your FEAR insight is likely right; it can be any kind of 'fundamental' belief system that does not recognize this other-world possibility. We have to overcome this natural, built-in, cultural rejection. proper affirmations and repeated exposure will accomplish this. And you are already making progress on your own. Dismiss the ideas of negative entities or experiences; this is nothing worse than taking a walk in the woods; there are subconscious fears to be aware of but really not much more. And you do have protection. With that said, if you are a personality subject to aberrant delusions, then no, definitely this is not for you. Your insight that a negative entity could affect you to this degree is exactly right. Again, this is a good confirmation of your 'gut' and insights being trustworthy perceptions. A newfound ability, as it were...

Your dream is an excellent symbolic and metaphorical representation of the development your consciousness is undergoing, so pay close attention to these dreams; always write them down. The fact that it repeated should tell you something. In my experience, any dream of a house represents a metaphorical construct of my personality, my ego, my place in the world. The other people who populate it represent aspects of myself, whom I am observing in their actions/reactions. A person represented by your sister may indicate a closer resonance to you (either good or bad), (nonetheless, it is an aspect you are giving special credence to). I think that your analysis of the dream is exactly right and in this the 'feel' is very important. The gorillas were a recent image of your subconscious dredged up to represent the interesting but inherently unknown aspect of the Non-Physical Reality which you are contemplating exploring. The other aspects of you were allowed to venture outside and explore and the laughter was your insightful confirmation of it's safety. Nicely done! And you understood the 'feel' of the situation very well.

So, you can also explore the WILD but I think you are doing great with what you have. You just have to learn a bit more of recognizing the messages and insights, which you are doing quite well.

This period of learning for me felt like a lot of 'scrambling around' from experience to experience and I felt some confusion in making sense of it all. This may just be a simple fact of learning during this time, so just be aware of that and let it continue. This is all a form of very subtle teaching.

You could also add an affirmation, asking to start putting it all together, asking for something like-

Okay, I have all that and thank you for it. What is the next important lesson that I need to learn?

Thank you so much for your reply, EscapeVelocity. Your words are very encouraging to me.

The few times I have become aware I'm in a lucid dream, I seem to automatically "come back" to my body. I think it's because when I first read about going from LD to AP it mentioned coming back and then projecting from there. I think my subconscious is a powerful thing. :-D I need to remind myself that I can project straight from LD to AP without "coming back" to my body. You are correct, when I come back I get stuck even though I'm right on the edge. :-/

Your comment that my Higher Self wants me to realize the distinct differences between states is interesting to me. Since I began researching this, I have been very fascinated by the nuances of each state.

I will definitely begin your suggestions of reprogramming myself with pre-meditation affirmations to get rid of all the fear.

I am excited to see what happens tonight and in the early morning hours.

Where is the best place to update on my progress? Here? Or another thread?

Thanks again for your insight and encouraging words!

You are welcome!

The subconscious is a powerful thing and it does push us in subtle ways from place to place. The possibility of your Higher Self wanting you to experience different states is a subtle and interesting thing and can create a fair amount of frustration here on our 'ground level', Lol. Your sensing of the nuances is a good indicator to trust in this newfound perceptual ability of your psychic sense, in other words, your intuition.

These are multiple, non-physical senses, just like our 5 physical senses, that you are now becoming aware of. It is exciting and just a little overwhelming. Just let it happen in its natural course. Just follow whichever one takes you. It's like riding different horses...

When you realize that you are LD, then you are already AP. The next step is to apply an 'intention' to change your environment; either go somewhere, visit someone or do 'something'. Just understand that your 'learning' may intrude and offer you something unexpected or slightly different then your original expectation.

Early morning hours are great opportunities for exploration; my personal favorites! Right on the edges of dreams, in between...sometimes it works, but not always...

Here is a fun exercise: Next time you become fully aware in a lucid dream, command it to stop! Then collapse the scene into blackness and you may find yourself in the 3D Void/Blackness. Either way, if you can stop the scene, then you can simply announce your desire of where you wish to go, whom you wish to visit or what you wish to experience...give that a try...after all, it is your personal dream space and you can do with it what you want...

You could start your own personal Dream Log or OBE Log, either here or down with some notable others in the Dream Board...your choice and we look forward to it!

Pleasant dreams,
EV

Quote from: EscapeVelocity on October 02, 2019, 05:26:23
You are welcome!...

Hello again! Not much success so far. I haven't had any other lucid dreams. :-/

When I try to project during the afternoon, I simply allow my body to think I'm going to take a nap and when I start to slip, my mind wakes up and I begin to focus on the blackness behind my eyes. I'm not sure how this "technique" is different than focusing on the blackness behind my eyes right away. It takes like 20 minutes before I'm deeply relaxed, so that's a lot of focusing. So, I changed it up and just allow myself to almost fall asleep before focusing. Is this okay to do? Also, I don't really get any distinct images, let alone 3D images, during that time. Is that okay?

Many nights I find myself "coming to" every couple  hours, probably as I am ending the sleep cycle. I try to focus my mind but I usually fall back to sleep. I have been having/remembering lots of crazy dreams. The other night I felt something strange happen, and I'm not quite sure what to make of it. I *think* I was dreaming about something first and then as I slowly came out of it, perhaps I began to subconsciously try to project? My body felt like it was being... massaged and as I "came to" I realized it was my astral body feeling the sensations. It was different than the vibrations I had felt before but it felt similarly exhilarating. I suppose it could have been related to some kind of transition. When I was totally awake, I wondered if I had been groped by "another" or if it was just my own energy. I really couldn't make sense of it. I wasn't afraid as I sat there. I was kind of irritated, though, like it had interrupted my process of projecting. Any thoughts on that odd happening?

Quote from: Lighthouse4 on October 05, 2019, 01:35:17
When I try to project during the afternoon, I simply allow my body to think I'm going to take a nap and when I start to slip, my mind wakes up and I begin to focus on the blackness behind my eyes. I'm not sure how this "technique" is different than focusing on the blackness behind my eyes right away.

It's not any different. The key is to strengthen your ability to hold onto that focus until the "natural shift" occurs.

QuoteIt takes like 20 minutes before I'm deeply relaxed, so that's a lot of focusing. So, I changed it up and just allow myself to almost fall asleep before focusing. Is this okay to do? Also, I don't really get any distinct images, let alone 3D images, during that time. Is that okay?

Just curious, what's the rush? You are fortunate, when I first began practicing non physical exploration, it took me anywhere from 45 mins to an hour and half to be able to get into a good deep relaxing mental state. Now it only takes me about 2 minutes. But that came after a lot of practice. I questioned every little thing that happened. Things changed when I was told to just passively observe everything and allow things to happen the way they will. There was plenty of time to question it afterwards.

QuoteMany nights I find myself "coming to" every couple  hours, probably as I am ending the sleep cycle. I try to focus my mind but I usually fall back to sleep. I have been having/remembering lots of crazy dreams. The other night I felt something strange happen, and I'm not quite sure what to make of it. I *think* I was dreaming about something first and then as I slowly came out of it, perhaps I began to subconsciously try to project? My body felt like it was being... massaged and as I "came to" I realized it was my astral body feeling the sensations. It was different than the vibrations I had felt before but it felt similarly exhilarating. I suppose it could have been related to some kind of transition. When I was totally awake, I wondered if I had been groped by "another" or if it was just my own energy. I really couldn't make sense of it. I wasn't afraid as I sat there. I was kind of irritated, though, like it had interrupted my process of projecting. Any thoughts on that odd happening?

I think you need to learn something that most of here already have and that's that you need to change your mindset on things. By changing your mindset, you change your reality. Check out this video link, It has been very helpful to me. I have my own process for that begins with a quick mantra that I visualize as well. By asking "who is it" that is seeing, hearing and feeling while I am focused on the darkness before my eyes, it somehow deepens the experience. Sadhguru and Deepak Chopra talk about that very thing in this fantastic video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMhJgdpj1d0

From what I have read from your previous posts here on this Forum, you have already had a number of non physical experiences, it's just that for some reason your expectations seem to be getting in the way. Whenever you find yourself in a experience wherein you are not consciously aware of this "physical" waking reality here in this realm, you are then in a non physical realty. It can only be one of two things, waking reality or non waking reality, also known as the Astral, Otherwhere, etc.


I allow my Dreams to occur unabated. I am consciously aware in them what is occurring, but I don't attempt to change the narrative. Instead, I find out what the purpose of that Dream scenario is itself. I keep the fact that I am Lucid in it as far back in my mind as I can. I found that too much focus on the fact that I am lucid in the Dream ends the Dream right then and there.

Quote from: Lumaza on October 05, 2019, 04:10:53
It's not any different. The key is to strengthen your ability to hold onto that focus until the "natural shift" occurs.

Okay. Hold the focus. Should I allow my eyes to drift here and there or should I strain to keep them focused on a particular dot of light? It's just a bunch of scribbles and whatnot of light behind my eyes. Not sure what particular piece to focus on.

QuoteJust curious, what's the rush? You are fortunate, when I first began practicing non physical exploration, it took me anywhere from 45 mins to an hour and half to be able to get into a good deep relaxing mental state. Now it only takes me about 2 minutes. But that came after a lot of practice. I questioned every little thing that happened. Things changed when I was told to just passively observe everything and allow things to happen the way they will. There was plenty of time to question it afterwards.

Twenty minutes is when I begin to relax. I lay there for up to two hours, sometimes, just focusing. 

QuoteI think you need to learn something that most of here already have and that's that you need to change your mindset on things. By changing your mindset, you change your reality. Check out this video link, It has been very helpful to me. I have my own process for that begins with a quick mantra that I visualize as well. By asking "who is it" that is seeing, hearing and feeling while I am focused on the darkness before my eyes, it somehow deepens the experience. Sadhguru and Deepak Chopra talk about that very thing in this fantastic video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMhJgdpj1d0

Thanks! I will check it out. :-)

QuoteFrom what I have read from your previous posts here on this Forum, you have already had a number of non physical experiences, it's just that for some reason your expectations seem to be getting in the way. Whenever you find yourself in a experience wherein you are not consciously aware of this "physical" waking reality here in this realm, you are then in a non physical realty. It can only be one of two things, waking reality or non waking reality, also known as the Astral, Otherwhere, etc.

I know the non-physical is real. I have experienced it several times in my life. I do have high expectations because my belief is all there. Maybe I'm too grounded? LOL Expecting too much too soon...the story of my life. LOL

QuoteI allow my Dreams to occur unabated. I am consciously aware in them what is occurring, but I don't attempt to change the narrative. Instead, I find out what the purpose of that Dream scenario is itself. I keep the fact that I am Lucid in it as far back in my mind as I can. I found that too much focus on the fact that I am lucid in the Dream ends the Dream right then and there.

Perhaps I need to find contentment in simply tuning in to the purpose of each dream. But, yes, it seems as soon as I realize I am lucid it ends the dream. Interestng.

Quote from: Lighthouse4 on October 05, 2019, 04:59:53
Okay. Hold the focus. Should I allow my eyes to drift here and there or should I strain to keep them focused on a particular dot of light? It's just a bunch of scribbles and whatnot of light behind my eyes. Not sure what particular piece to focus on.

I let my focus drift into the darkness before my eyes. I don't  use a single point anymore. Nowadays, after a few minutes of doing this, I get  a really strong urge to readjust my vision. I fight that urge and immediately I feel a wave of energy sweep over/through me. It's difficult to put that sensation into words. But after that wave has passed, I see that I am now experiencing a 3D depth and can now set my intent for that session. Frank Kepple and others here have talked about it being necessary to stop chasing imagery with our physical eyes. When you do that, your "Mind's Eye" takes over.

QuoteTwenty minutes is when I begin to relax. I lay there for up to two hours, sometimes, just focusing.  
Thanks! I will check it out. :-)

During extreme bouts of my Trigeminal Neuralgia I would lay for hours unable to sleep. This is what actually led to me understanding and experiencing what the Tibetan's called "Dream Yoga". I would be totally consciously aware of my entire Dream cycles. At first it was very tiring. But even though I was aware of my Dreams, my physical body was still resting and sleeping
I also found that too much of that noticing, led to many sleepless nights. There came a point where I couldn't turn it off. So, be careful what you wish for!  :-o.

QuoteI know the non-physical is real. I have experienced it several times in my life. I do have high expectations because my belief is all there. Maybe I'm too grounded? LOL Expecting too much too soon...the story of my life. LOL
Perhaps I need to find contentment in simply tuning in to the purpose of each dream. But, yes, it seems as soon as I realize I am lucid it ends the dream. Interestng.

It sounds like you already can see what is hindering you. You seem to answer your own questions in many of your posts here. Perhaps posting here helps you think out loud. Keep it up!  8-)

Practice, patience and perseverance will be your key to success, as it is in any other goals you set in your life. You are doing good. You just need to release the pressure you are putting on yourself here. Calm down, set the stage, per se, and go enjoy the show, for now at least!  :-)

Quote from: Lumaza on October 05, 2019, 20:11:44... Practice, patience and perseverance will be your key to success, as it is in any other goals you set in your life. You are doing good. You just need to release the pressure you are putting on yourself here. Calm down, set the stage, per se, and go enjoy the show, for now at least!  :-)

Thanks for engaging. :-) Yes, it definitely helps for me to write my thoughts out.

Hello guys!

First time participating here, I have had some experiences of becoming lucid during some dreams very sporadically starting when I was 16 but unhappily I was never too dedicated so have had few results.
Trying to stay in my back in my bed during relaxation, I would always or drift into sleep or feel so exhausted to turn into another position before feel sleep paralysis/hypnagogic state. Is there any good trick to achieve this state or I have to boost my determination and keep trying?
In the last two weeks had two experiences, slept 8 hours then woke up and back to sleep again after 30 minutes. Most of the tries I just slept normally but 2 times I became conscious during what seemed to be the vibrations I roled out of body and start to use stabilization techniques could activate my vision that was unstable at first.
1- First experience saw my bedroom as it is, daylight and everything. Decided to go in to the apartment next door, so I passed through the door of my apartment as it is, same color, shape etc. but the corridor seemed larger, passed through the door of the other apartment, I was conscious and could see and feel carpet tried to keep my awareness after a bit of exploring I woke up. Problem my perception of the color of the walls in the corridor were different, lighter. The configuration of the other apartment was different, but I know all the apartments have the same configuration.
2- Second experience saw my bedroom as it is, decided to jump through the window direct into the parking, as I passed through the window I found myself in a parking but the buildings around have the exterior in brick (not as my condo, wait that's not my parking!!!  :-o), I demanded awareness now, vision now, as I realised my vision was partial. I felt really aware (not like hyper reality but..) walked around and tried to talk with people walking around, realised I could not talk, I tried to force and force and woke up speaking what I wanted  :cry: the intention was to talk/ask questions to my higher self as I saw one video about lucid dreaming talking with dream characters.. am I mixing up thing?
I read all 3 books of Robert Monroe loooong ago, read some Laberge, Robert Waggoner and some William Buhlman. Any suggestions why I'm not getting to sleep paralysis or why I feel overwhelmed for the feeling to turn in the bed?
Any theory why after being in my bedroom when I transition to other place it seems like not the physical (well it is physical but not the place I was supposed to be).
Thanks for the patience of reading/ or giving some suggestions.
Ozzy

 Hi Ozzy and Welcome to the Astral Pulse Forums!  :-)

You have some great adventures under your belt now and have definitely done your research on the how to's.  8-) All 4 of those Authors have great info to share. Robert Waggoner seems to target LDing (Lucid Dreaming) more than he does OBEs. If I remember correctly he says they are completely different. I believe they may use a different system or vehicle, per se, but they all end up with you being in a "non physical" realm/reality.

Our first adventures are normally very short, more like a "sneak peak". Our first adventures are normally of a "etheric" nature as well, just as yours was. You are finding yourself in a realm that is very much like your real physical one, but it is not the same. You are witnessing that fact yourself now. The Etheric realm can be a seem to be a mirror of this one, but if you look around and explore further, you will find a number of things that are new about the realm you have found yourself in. This is because when we shift out of our body, we have also shifted to a new dimension and that now you are experiencing the same place, but at a different frequency. If that makes any sense to you!

It sounds like you are knowledgeable about the grounding process as well. This is good, for this will help you to extend your adventures. Feeling the ground, touching a wall or some other object, all of those are fantastic for grounding you further into the scenario at hand. The key is to stay the course and don't make the error of thinking about your physical body at all. To do that is a instant OBE killer.

At any time, you could make a new intent and just be there. When you are experiencing a new realm/reality, you will find that it is very thought responsive, as in thought = action, pretty much immediately. Here we need to pick up the grass  with our hands, there it is already in your hands with just a thought. Try your "Happy Place". That will usually lead to some great experiences.

Good Luck and Safe Travels!  :-)

Hello Ozzy and welcome to the Pulse!

Lumaza has given you some good perspective to add to the knowledge base you have started with Monroe, Buhlman, Waggoner and LaBerge. I will back up what he says 100% and add a little to his comments and offer ideas on some other areas you mentioned. This is all MY opinion but includes much of what you have read and a few of my own favorite authors filtered through my own experiences. This is my personal 'provisional perspective'...if future information requires me to update, then I gladly remain open to that!

-Usually our first direct attempts to shift our focus into these new areas do result in a number of short experiences which can get timed-out for a number of reasons: Sometimes we simply run out of energy or staying-power, sometimes we lose concentration/focus/intent, sometimes too many questions arise and confusion sets in. In fact, when confusion or frustration sets in, it can seem that an outside force ends the experience for us so that we can contemplate and digest what we have experienced.

-These first experiences are most often what is described as Locale 1/ the Etheric Plane or Dimension/ the Real Time Zone. This dimension closely approximates the Physical Dimension, but as Lumaza wrote, this is a misperception which can lead to some confusion about actual locations such as you described. It can appear to be your apartment building but there can be confusing differences such as you have noted. This dimension appears to be a mirror-image of the Physical, but it is actually an 'energetic' version with notable differences which can confuse your perspective. Doors and windows may change places, as well as furniture or pictures...the exterior may appear different, as you've noted. Historical changes, maybe both past and future, can intrude in the form of visual overlays (such as the furniture was different 50 years ago), and this environment is susceptible to your subconscious introducing unexpected elements. Ghosts can show up, if their energy is still strong enough within that proximity. A lot of interesting phenomena can show up here, so don't just expect it to be a simple 'mirror' of your Physical Reality. A lot of distortion can occur here.

What's more, as your experiences grow and your Non-Physical (NP) energy bodies and senses develop, your experiences in this dimension will naturally evolve into the next- the Astral. You have already experienced this in at least two ways I noticed from your adventures: In the first, you explored the neighboring apartment which may have pushed your etheric body beyond its rather limited 20-50 foot physical range. At this point, you either lose consciousness and return or you shift your focus into your astral body, if it is developed enough. I ran into this limitation many times until I understood it and moved beyond it. In the second instance, you tried to communicate verbally and physically, and found out that this is useless...you are Non-Physical, NP. Now you will need to learn another aspect of Intent and how it applies to communication. Communication in the NP is by thought or telepathy. It is not by delivering a linear sequence of words or symbols; it is by forming complete gestalts or thought-paragraphs and mentally sending them. Think of comics and thought balloons. It's more than that but it is a good starting point. You think of the complete idea of what you wish to communicate, add some visual component if you think that helps; and very importantly, you add some sincere feeling/emotion of the idea you wish to convey. And then with 'Intent', you push it out and toward its intended recipient. Kurt Leland calls this 'feel/think'.

In its more complex form, it is like Monroe described as a ROTE. For me, receiving the communication happens the instant I send mine and it is like a PDF. file and it unfolds immediately...I just sort of hurriedly transcribe it within an instant. A ROTE is often a much more complex thing and feels like a 'compressed file' downloading.

This is just another aspect of the NP that shows you the demand and necessity for understanding and controlling your thoughts and emotions; as you pursue this, the skill level requirements will astound you as to what may be required within certain environments.

You will be learning that these 'energy' bodies have new senses beyond the five PR senses; Location and Communication are just two that you have noticed- Where am I and how do I talk to people?

Your NP experiences will likely begin involving dream elements or elements introduced from your subconscious; this will help you resolve leftover personal issues, so don't preoccupy yourself with it, just be aware of it. As your experiences merge from the Etheric to the Astral, then to the Mental, you will encounter Personal Astral or Dream Zone experiences (designed specifically for you)...so don't take everything at face value, there are many distortions that can take place.

Sleep paralysis- This is a natural stage of sleep that very few of us become aware of; it occurs almost always between dreams and sleep stages. To me SP is not readily accessible from a meditative/relaxed state or while trying to remain conscious as we drift into sleep...so don't waste time trying to look for that. If you gain awareness between sleep stages and notice that you are in SP, then certainly take advantage and explore what you can do within the state. Also any time you get vibrations. Sometimes you can make them work, sometimes not. It is always nice to have multiple methods to explore.

Now, drifting to sleep and looking for the hypnogogia to start- yes, that is a perfectly valid transition method and if you are adept at it then go for it. I like the Wake, Back To Bed (WBTB) technique for this plus you could try not laying flat and reclined, but sit up in bed with pillows or move to a recliner chair. Sad to say but often an illness such as a cold or flu or indigestion can offer difficult but great opportunities. One of my breakthrough experiences was during a night of severe indigestion and no sleep. About 4am, I propped myself up in bed for some gastric relief and was then able to drift off and completely observe the hypnogogic process and have multiple NP exits. Successful but exhausting! Lol.

If you liked those other authors, then I would highly recommend checking out Kurt Leland. His website and the two books, Otherwhere and The Multidimensional Human are among my favorites. MDH will give you great insights into his ideas of the many NP senses that need to be developed...great stuff!

Great adventures await!

Hello Lumaza and EscapeVelocity!

I'm sorry I disappeared, I read your answers and you guys rock  8-) 8-)!!!
I was reading about etheric plane, Kurt Leland and preparing to ask some more questions ... but my contract finished  :cry: so now I'm not having so much time as I'm looking for new contracts.
As soon as I fix that and get more time to try some more OBEs and read more, if does not bother you guys I will come with more doubts  :evil:
Thanks!!

I'm a little late to the party, so to speak but do want to applaud Lumaza and EscapeVelocity for their more recent excellent responses here. Nothing to add, just dropping by.

Hello everyone.
My name is max I'm from germany and I really want to learn out of body. In the past I tried to learn it about 2-3 times but I gave up really quickly out of frustration :(

I feel alone with the topic and I'm really happy that I found this website. I feel pretty lost. I read Robert Monroes book and I watched YouTube videos on how to go out of body. Also when I first joined the website xanth (from this forum) gave me his book: my Astral projection truth which I read recently. I also watched a YouTube video I found in the forums here can't remember the name it was about obe (obviously). The first time I heard about the akashic records I had a deep feeling of I have to go there and it felt like someone was reminding me of smth I know...

I consider my diet to be spiritual. I heard it's easier to go out of body when you support your body with the right foods. I'm a full vegan I avoid sugar as good as I can chemicals in my food even gluten and I try to eat organic stuff. I try to eat things that help me with obe and things that support the production of dmt in my body.

I Recently started trying to learn obe again because there is something about it... It just can't stop trying to learn It.

So if you want to know why I wanna learn it It just feels right. And I also want to see if everything my spiritual teacher teached me is accurate. I have to see it for myself. I also feel as if I could learn so many new things about myself and the universe. I could grow as a person. I could do so many interesting things with it. Flying to countries, visit spiritual teachers, and maybe most Importantly atm see if I have guides and talk to them, get help and guidance from them and talk to my higher self. I could explore my subconscious and heal myself more, learn to use my third eye, learn what I came here to do and how to create abundance etc etc there is soo many reasons for me and I feel as this is the next step. I can feel it. But I'm stuck.

This is how far I came so far in one week, I know 1 week isn't that Long but I feel If I can't exchange thoughts and ideas and get some help with it my frustration will overwhelm me again.

So I lay down on the ground on my sleepingbag with covers. My head should be pointed to north legs to the south. Then I'm supposed to relax, right? which I feel as if I am pretty much always. So I lay down and try to breath and relax. And then I'm not sure what to do. I also wonder if meditating before helps. I only tried it once and felt as if I was closer in meditation to have an obe then when I was laying down after.

I tried a few times with affirmations as my spiritual teacher suggested;
I'm consciously out of body,
and I could feel some sensations as if my light body tried to get out. It felt a bit like bubbles popping on the bottom of my legs and my light body raising but my body always also moves upwards too which frustrated me today for example. Then I try to relax again and allow my light body to leave but then just nothing happens.

I also tried to focus on the darkness behind my eyes but so far I saw some images and landscapes but that was it because I read that we want to focus away from our body, I also tried to imagine myself leaving my body several times.

Sometimes I try to focus on my third eye and then I get some sensations too. Today I had my eyes closed but I saw some blurry whiteness! For 1-3 seconds maybe for 3 times. Which was interesting.

I'm also always asking my guides to help me if anyone wants to help but I only imagine or see them standing there when I try the rope technique. I imagine them helping me to get out by pulling me out.

I also tried binaural beats. One time I fall asleep and when I woke up again I think I experienced what people call the vibrations.

Sometimes I just fall asleep. I mostly have to try obe at the evening and sometimes I'm tired then. I can only try it in the morning on the weekend. But when I'm tired I just try to stay awake and see it as practice.

So my main problem is I don't really know what to do after I relax. I can't seem to reach the vibrational stage where I feel any vibrations in my body no matter what I do! At least that's how I feel. Do you have any tips? Should I choose one way (only affirmations for example) or mix them? It's like laying on the floor totally relaxed waiting for anything to happen but nothing happens. :(

Greetings from Germany,
Max

Quote from: InspireMe7 on November 15, 2019, 13:32:52
So my main problem is I don't really know what to do after I relax. I can't seem to reach the vibrational stage where I feel any vibrations in my body no matter what I do! At least that's how I feel. Do you have any tips? Should I choose one way (only affirmations for example) or mix them? It's like laying on the floor totally relaxed waiting for anything to happen but nothing happens. :(

Hi Max,

First of all, what I was taught by a guide once in a 'cut-the-crap'-lesson (as I later called it) is the fact that you do not need to wait for vibrations. That is what most beginners think. You might already be earlier in sleep paralysis (mind awake body asleep) state and thus be able to 'climb' or 'roll' or 'phase/teleport' out to an astral scenery or your bedroom (or an overlaying astral version probably) without experiencing symptoms like vibes.

During that teaching the nonphysical guide was actually laughing at me a little when I was lying there and waiting, before she then just grabbed me by my (astral) wrists/arms and dragged me out/up. I had these helpers quite a lot in my early times of learning AP (about 2009-2011) but later I was all alone. So I am now.

So maybe, as a AP beginner, you could ask for a 'helping hand' from your guides if you dare so. Normally they should hear you.

Since during exit phases you most likely are in the Dark / Void you might not see them first or not even afterwards since they can stay invisible to you later on, but you need just mentally ask for being helped and it might work.

On the other hand, well, I know many don't like or trust this method since you do not know what or who is really grabbing you then. And I understand that, it takes a bit of courage and trust that the helper will be there.

Anyway, still the lesson is valid: do not necessarily wait for any 'vibes' or other symptoms but try it first alone to get up/out or phase.

Another tip would be the time of day. You say you also tried in the morning a few times when you try it but it is not clear to me after how many hours of sleep. Also in the evening, did you sleep before trying to induce AP?

Many (also here) have had their first and then also constant success with the so-called WAKE-BACK-TO-BED technique (although it is better called a strategy than a technique):

Try sleeping (normally!) for 3 or 4 hours, then get up for a little while, some even stay up for half an hour but I do not find this necessary, for me I use my usual bathroom bladder emptying break at night and go straight back to my place of rest.

Then you are in a right physical state and somewhat 'primed' for success because too sleepy is not good and too awake also might rather make you fail. Use your alarm clock if you do not automatically awake after 3-4 hours of sleep and then give it a try. Lay back on your back after your short (bathroom) break and try whatever method suits best for you.

Quote from: InspireMe7 on November 15, 2019, 13:32:52
Greetings from Germany,
Max

Greetings from a fellow German. (You can guess my first name by my nick here). Nice to have s.o. from my country here.
8-)

 Hello Max and Welcome to the Astral Pulse!  :-)

Reading your post here, I can see that you are getting stuck in the "release" and "let go" of the process. I see this often here. People say they are ready to experience "everything", but when something begins to occur, they shut it down. Tom Campbell says you need to go into this with an attitude that if you don't return, so be it. How many people do you know that are willing to "risk" that?
When they do finally "get out", thought equals action immediately occurs and they scare themselves or over anxiety themselves back "in".
For further info on "possible" symptoms and signposts check out this thread here:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/exit_symptomssignposts-t46206.0.html
This thread that was made in the past here will show you that you are not alone with your difficulties:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/you_have_to_give_everything_on_your_first_attempt-t11722.0.html

Now to the techniques. Bedeekin's "pre nap" technique that Volgerle spoke about above works very good. But only for a few times. After a few times, your system gets used to it and for some reason it doesn't work anymore. I find that many times techniques you do will only work for so long before you are forced to find another way or another focus target. Other people here on this Forum have found that to be true as well.

My first actual conscious OBE occurred during a "Candle staring" session I had and it led to a RTZ (real time zone), otherwise known as "Etheric" experience. I did what the video on youtube said and stared at the flame of a candle for about 20 minutes. I then blew the candle out, closed my eyes and focused on the "visual imprint" that was left behind. Soon I heard a sound that sounded like Helicopter blades overtop of my home. I was also experiencing vibrations. The sound became deafening and the vibrations felt like I was in earthquake (living in Minnesota I knew better though). I was hooked. It was the most extraordinary thing I have consciously experienced.

I have awoken in full SP (sleep paralysis) many times as well. I still do today. One time, I became aware of the Astral winds and vibrations then just "passively observed" it and saw it through. The next thing I knew, I was being raised up by my ankles, turned upside down and spun through my ceiling. I could only hold my conscious awareness for so long before it overloaded me and I clicked out.

There are a number of great techniques to be found in these Stickies here. Have a look. Find one that you think will work for you and have at it!  :-D
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness-b30.0/

Quote from: Lumaza on November 15, 2019, 22:31:22Now to the techniques. Bedeekin's "pre nap" technique that Volgerle spoke about above works very good. But only for a few times. After a few times, your system gets used to it and for some reason it doesn't work anymore. I find that many times techniques you do will only work for so long before you are forced to find another way or another focus target. Other people here on this Forum have found that to be true as well.

I agree that every technique/method wears off after a while or does hardly work at all. This is why I am always somehow a 'beginner' again trying other and new methods that hold up for me at least for a while. So far have not found the 'perfect' one but maybe it does not even exist at all (for me).

However, I don't see Wake-Back-To-Bed as a technique. I also was not aware of former Pulse member Bedekin posting it as 'Pre-nap' but rather referred it to Albert Taylor's book "Soul Traveler" because he coined that very name iirc. I suppose Bedekin also got it from him somehow.

I see WBTB as a strategy especially suitable for beginners, that is why I always recommend it to them and as said: to myself when I reboot my 'AP career' after a long dry period because it really is the one that seems promising to get your 'first' OBE despite the fact that it all wears off again later on. And honestly, so far it seems the only thing working for me after all.  :|

WBTB is thus not a technique for me but more of a done preset / priming / preparation strategy regarding the timing of when you do it. (Lumaza, that's a bit similar to your strategy of 'soak sessions' when you let in the water for the bathtub). Techniques is what follows then for induction and 'exit' when you lay down again (which in your case would e.g. be energy work and/or your Doorway phasing method combined).

But okay, hey, I'm a nitpicking nerd, I guess you know that already.
:-D  :wink:

Quote from: Volgerle on November 16, 2019, 15:02:21
I agree that every technique/method wears off after a while or does hardly work at all. This is why I am always somehow a 'beginner' again trying other and new methods that hold up for me at least for a while. So far have not found the 'perfect' one but maybe it does not even exist at all (for me).

When in doubt go back to the drawing board. Return to what initially got you "there". I find a good way to have a Etheric projection is to place a chair in the middle of your room. Before you sit in it, memorize everything around you. Be aware of how far the walls are away from you, where the Mantles are (if any are there), doors, stairs, etc, Now sit down, close your eyes and recreate everything around you in your mind. Next, take a few deep breathes. Now on the inhale feel you feel your Etheric body expanding towards your walls. On your exhale you feel your Etheric body shrinking back into your chair. Do this for about 20 minutes and you will all of a sudden be able to "see" your room like you could with your eyes open. A blindfold of some type will aid you in knowing that what you are seeing is a NP vision. Now, you can will yourself to your door, window, touch your walls, move up or down your stairs, etc.
I used that technique when I was new to this practice and had some great experiences with it. Another good technique is to simulate the tactile feeling of a moon walk, as in walking in 0 gravity. That's a fun one.  :-) 8-)

QuoteHowever, I don't see Wake-Back-To-Bed as a technique. I also was not aware of former Pulse member Bedekin posting it as 'Pre-nap' but rather referred it to Albert Taylor's book "Soul Traveler" because he coined that very name iirc. I suppose Bedekin also got it from him somehow.

I heard Albert talk about that in one of his video interviews as well. I enjoy Albert's interviews. He has so much passion for this practice!  8-) Albert said he got that technique from William Buhlman.
Here is a link to Bedeekin's write up. I like it because in it he dispels many of the Astral projection "falsehoods":
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/fantastic_obe_technique_bedeekins_method-t31819.0.html

QuoteI see WBTB as a strategy especially suitable for beginners, that is why I always recommend it to them and as said: to myself when I reboot my 'AP career' after a long dry period because it really is the one that seems promising to get your 'first' OBE despite the fact that it all wears off again later on. And honestly, so far it seems the only thing working for me after all.  :|

WBTB is thus not a technique for me but more of a done preset / priming / preparation strategy regarding the timing of when you do it. (Lumaza, that's a bit similar to your strategy of 'soak sessions' when you let in the water for the bathtub). Techniques is what follows then for induction and 'exit' when you lay down again (which in your case would e.g. be energy work and/or your Doorway phasing method combined).

I see WBTB more of a Lucid Dreaming 101. That's basically what it entails. Very rarely do you experience exit signs or signposts. The challenge seems to be in "grounding" yourself in the scenario you are experiencing. That and keeping your anxiety level at a minimum.

QuoteBut okay, hey, I'm a nitpicking nerd, I guess you know that already.
:-D  :wink:

LOL  :-D

I think I never read that Bedekin thread, thanks, will check it out.

Yeah, I got my first success with Buhlman's book, so maybe I got it from there then too.

And I remember the 'etheric' technique also from Buhlman's book well with going around in your room and touching things described there. I could give this another shot again although then I might have an etheric instead of astral projection. This was indeed the case back then in 2009 when I projected etherically into my room and flew to the ceiling, looked down on my physical body and then just went back again.

It was a 'heavy' experience I love to remember.

I have been seriously interested in AP for about 6 months now. I think that I might have overloaded my brain with too much information, as I have been reading so many different books. Robert Monroe's 3 x books, 2 of William Buhlman's books, My Big Toe, Toth tablets decoded, Astral Codex, Frank K Practical Guide book, Astral Dynamics. I've also watched countless Youtube videos & have researched on a lot of websites too. I guess I'm just too confused about which techniques to use. I was wondering if someone could give me some hints on what I need to focus on to have my first OBE.

Quote from: Panda Beast on November 17, 2019, 19:15:14
I have been seriously interested in AP for about 6 months now. I think that I might have overloaded my brain with too much information, as I have been reading so many different books. Robert Monroe's 3 x books, 2 of William Buhlman's books, My Big Toe, Toth tablets decoded, Astral Codex, Frank K Practical Guide book, Astral Dynamics. I've also watched countless Youtube videos & have researched on a lot of websites too. I guess I'm just too confused about which techniques to use. I was wondering if someone could give me some hints on what I need to focus on to have my first OBE.

Hello and Welcome to the Astral Pulse!  :-)

It sounds like you have done your research. Each one of those Authors has great techniques in those books to aid you in your first OBE experience. Use them as "blueprints", but not something set in stone, per se. You can tweak them to your own liking or comfort level. I can't say I have been really impressed by YouTube videos though, unless they are seminars or talks by the famous Authors of AP. Many people there haven't quite handled their own "fear tests" and because of that they seem to share some bad info.

Your first experience will likely be a very brief "sneak peek". Normally this is just enough to "wet your appetite".

 A few posts above I replied to another new member with this link to help them find something that they would be comfortable with. so, once again I will post it here for you too. This time I will put in bold letters so it is definitely noticed by anyone else searching for actual techniques to aid them in their NP (non physical) explorations.
There are a number of great techniques to be found in these Stickies here. Have a look. Find one that you think will work for you and have at it!  
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness-b30.0/

Another great thread to read is this one here. You won't necessarily experience all or even any of the many signposts or symptoms of a approaching OBE. If you do experience one, "passively observe" it with a air of curiosity and see it through.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/exit_symptomssignposts-t46206.0.html

Good Luck and Safe Travels!  :-)

Hello Panda and welcome to the Pulse!

Lumaza made the suggestion to refer to the very good threads that have been made "Stickies" and moved to the front of the appropriate Board and highlighted in blue. And I would suggest something else that may help us point you in the right direction and techniques: Can you answer some questions for us?

Do you meditate or practice any at silencing your mind?
Are you good at visualizing in your "mind's eye"? Do you easily get lost in daydreams?
How is your sleep? Do you fall asleep fairly easily and quickly and can you observe yourself/the process as you fall asleep?
Do you remember your dreams? Do you keep a dream journal? Have you had lucid dreams? Have you experienced Sleep Paralysis?
In the early morning, are you ever able to hover at the edge of sleep and observe the last of your dreams or any of the hypnopompic imagery that floats through your mind? Do you get odd kinesthetic sensations during the night like floating/falling or spinning? Do you hear odd noises like pops and bangs, voices, machinery,  hurricane-like roaring or helicopters, etc.?

Your answers can help us understand whether you are inclined towards meditative visualization techniques or sleeping techniques or dream activation techniques. You may have more of a tendency towards one method so you might as well exploit it if you can.

Most of us initially think of learning OBE techniques as simply learning how to lay still for twenty minutes or so and floating out of our body. Some people can do that pretty early on, but actually that is one of the more difficult techniques for most people. Our first OBEs are generally very short duration events, like Lumaza said; and they usually occur at unexpected times like in the middle of the night or early morning or during a nap or even during an illness. So it does help to be aware of the many possible symptoms and signposts that could occur because we simply don't know what will show up and we have to be ready to first notice the symptoms and then "allow" them to unfold, and "observe" the process. This is a key aspect no matter what technique works for you; as the transition occurs the symptoms will intensify and you naturally become excited. This excitement has to be contained otherwise you will lose control and the experience. This is where you go into "passive observation" mode.

We utilize whatever technique gets us into the game; then we refine it from there.

 EV's entire post above was excellent!  8-)

I have to apologize. This thread wasn't created to direct you to other links. The purpose of this thread was to give people direct help to the best of our abilities. It wasn't to send you off to read page after page of information, even though there is nothing wrong with that either. Because of that I am going to put EV's questions in bold letters here so that anyone that comes to this thread can make sure they see them. By answering them, we can not only see where you are at (as in how much progress if any you have with this practice), we also can see how to help you to the best of our own knowledge and experience.

"Do you meditate or practice any at silencing your mind?
Are you good at visualizing in your "mind's eye"? Do you easily get lost in daydreams?
How is your sleep? Do you fall asleep fairly easily and quickly and can you observe yourself/the process as you fall asleep?
Do you remember your dreams? Do you keep a dream journal? Have you had lucid dreams? Have you experienced Sleep Paralysis?
In the early morning, are you ever able to hover at the edge of sleep and observe the last of your dreams or any of the hypnopompic imagery that floats through your mind? Do you get odd kinesthetic sensations during the night like floating/falling or spinning? Do you hear odd noises like pops and bangs, voices, machinery,  hurricane-like roaring or helicopters, etc.?

Your answers can help us understand whether you are inclined towards meditative visualization techniques or sleeping techniques or dream activation techniques. You may have more of a tendency towards one method so you might as well exploit it if you can. "

Quote from: Lumaza on November 17, 2019, 21:13:22
Hello and Welcome to the Astral Pulse!  :-)

It sounds like you have done your research. Each one of those Authors has great techniques in those books to aid you in your first OBE experience. Use them as "blueprints", but not something set in stone, per se. You can tweak them to your own liking or comfort level. I can't say I have been really impressed by YouTube videos though, unless they are seminars or talks by the famous Authors of AP. Many people there haven't quite handled their own "fear tests" and because of that they seem to share some bad info.

Your first experience will likely be a very brief "sneak peek". Normally this is just enough to "wet your appetite".

  A few posts above I replied to another new member with this link to help them find something that they would be comfortable with. so, once again I will post it here for you too. This time I will put in bold letters so it is definitely noticed by anyone else searching for actual techniques to aid them in their NP (non physical) explorations.
There are a number of great techniques to be found in these Stickies here. Have a look. Find one that you think will work for you and have at it! 
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness-b30.0/

Another great thread to read is this one here. You won't necessarily experience all or even any of the many signposts or symptoms of a approaching OBE. If you do experience one, "passively observe" it with a air of curiosity and see it through.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/exit_symptomssignposts-t46206.0.html

Good Luck and Safe Travels!  :-)

Thank you very much! I will look at these posts & let you know if I have any issues :-D

Quote from: EscapeVelocity on November 18, 2019, 03:23:26
Hello Panda and welcome to the Pulse!

Lumaza made the suggestion to refer to the very good threads that have been made "Stickies" and moved to the front of the appropriate Board and highlighted in blue. And I would suggest something else that may help us point you in the right direction and techniques: Can you answer some questions for us?

Do you meditate or practice any at silencing your mind?
Are you good at visualizing in your "mind's eye"? Do you easily get lost in daydreams?
How is your sleep? Do you fall asleep fairly easily and quickly and can you observe yourself/the process as you fall asleep?
Do you remember your dreams? Do you keep a dream journal? Have you had lucid dreams? Have you experienced Sleep Paralysis?
In the early morning, are you ever able to hover at the edge of sleep and observe the last of your dreams or any of the hypnopompic imagery that floats through your mind? Do you get odd kinesthetic sensations during the night like floating/falling or spinning? Do you hear odd noises like pops and bangs, voices, machinery,  hurricane-like roaring or helicopters, etc.?

Your answers can help us understand whether you are inclined towards meditative visualization techniques or sleeping techniques or dream activation techniques. You may have more of a tendency towards one method so you might as well exploit it if you can.

Most of us initially think of learning OBE techniques as simply learning how to lay still for twenty minutes or so and floating out of our body. Some people can do that pretty early on, but actually that is one of the more difficult techniques for most people. Our first OBEs are generally very short duration events, like Lumaza said; and they usually occur at unexpected times like in the middle of the night or early morning or during a nap or even during an illness. So it does help to be aware of the many possible symptoms and signposts that could occur because we simply don't know what will show up and we have to be ready to first notice the symptoms and then "allow" them to unfold, and "observe" the process. This is a key aspect no matter what technique works for you; as the transition occurs the symptoms will intensify and you naturally become excited. This excitement has to be contained otherwise you will lose control and the experience. This is where you go into "passive observation" mode.

We utilize whatever technique gets us into the game; then we refine it from there.

Hi, thank you for your reply!

I do meditate, I am also doing hemi sync gateway program. I am not great with visualization, but I think I am OK with it. I am trying to be more aware & have some triggers that I use to keep me more aware, to minimize daydreams.
I am a very light sleeper, it can take me ages to fall asleep. When I try to observe myself falling asleep I end up just lying there for up to 2 hours without falling asleep.
I do remember my dreams, I do have a dream journal, I have had many lucid dreams, I don't have lucid dreams when I'm smoking weed though. I have experienced sleep paralysis a couple of times. I have even reached the vibrational state before, & separated for a very short time before snapping back to my body.
In the early mornings I normally don't hover at the edge of sleep. I never hear the weird noises you mentioned.

Thanks for your answers Panda, now we have a starting point!

My answers to those questions are much like yours with the exception that I gave up weed thirty years ago and have had about a hundred SP episodes.

So now that we know you have some practice in calming and silencing your mind, and even the benefit of the Gateway exercises...this is all great training for getting your mind/awareness into that sweet spot of 'receptiveness'. You do that with a daily, repetitive routine of practice. Lumaza is the resident 'Master' at that arcane practice, :wink:. It doesn't have to be hours at a time, that can actually be self-defeating. Do 15 minutes a day of meditation, or a Hemi-Sync session every other day. What you are striving for is to make your mind/awareness comfortable with that Focus 10, Focus 12, Focus 15 level and feeling. It does NOT have to be perfect. It took me two trips to The Monroe Institute to find out that there are nearly infinite gradations to these various Focus levels, both high and low, so it is a mistake to get frustrated in thinking that I haven't reached the necessary level during any particular session. You go with what 'ya got.

Honestly, the simplest technique may be to put on a Hemi-Sync session, like a 12 or a 15 and totally relax into it until you fall asleep...because the session is still working while you are asleep. Many sessions that I have had at TMI, I fall asleep or 'click out'. That happens for many people there and learning is still taking place, except at a deeper and subconscious level...which is sometimes, exactly where the learning needs to happen...so forcing it is not the answer, just let it happen. Do that like ten times and see if something changes.

A lot of this is re-learning and re-orienting our perspective to the various Realities available to us. Your daydreams, dreams and lucid dreams are one 'gateway' to the Wider Reality, the Non-Physical (NP) aspect of it. So you have already been there, where you are trying to go. Realizing that is just another step in realizing that it is just a change in perspective or Focus. In fact, your lucid dreams show you that you are already demonstrating higher awareness within the NP...so nicely done! This is the ability and awareness you should wish to expand and develop. This is the awareness you will learn to take you deeper into the NP dimensions.

Now you know why I asked the questions. :wink:

And now we come to areas of discussion and disagreement and all I can do is point out some of the conflicts and my ideas on them.

Most people, new to the idea of OBE, expect to lay down, relax and float out of their physical body like a ghost and go roaming about the planet. That experience can happen and often does, but you might get something else entirely. You might instead, awaken early one morning and immediately transition into a dreamlike, yet 'super-physically' real environment. You might be astounded at the hyper-reality of the event and the complexity of the experience that unfolds, but in the end just think of it as a crazy 'one-off' kind of dream. The truth is that both experiences are authentic and legitimate NP or OBEs. Given a few dozen of these experiences, you begin to re-question your assumptions about our overall Reality.

For me, it becomes a question of 'Did I learn something of value from the experience?' And if so, then why is it not legitimate and therefore 'real'?

So you meditate, have some Hemi-Sync experience...you are great to go with many of the 'noticing' techniques presented in the stickies of the Pulse. The candle flame, the Bedeekin method, various active Rundown methods...these are all active visualizations that keep your awareness concentrated while your physical body slides off into sleep. For me, it is the timing that counts and the WBTB method is recommended. Wake, Back To Bed...sleep a few hours, then get up for an hour and then try and observe yourself as you slide back into sleep. Try a technique or just observe. One of my big breakthrough nights was a night that I had awful gastrointestinal pains throughout the night. It wasn't easy nor fun, but I learned a lot! Three sleepless nights can do it too, when the dreams hit you almost instantly! Jeez, what fun! :-P

So all this should give you some ideas. There is another aspect-And that is re-programming your mind and asking permission of your Higher Self to step into this new arena. You don't just do it; you don't just make the jump...

You need to ask your 'Higher Self' for permission and cooperation in achieving this. I learned the hard way, over decades. It is still a form of communication that I am learning and I still get it wrong at times. It may seem like releasing instinctive, subconscious barriers, but I definitely think that it is more. You do this in a very simple process of nightly affirmations-

I ask for permission to have an out of body experience.
I know that I am safe and protected at all times.
I grant myself permission to explore the Wider Reality.
I ask for guidance from those I trust and know that I am ultimately in charge of my Life.

Words to that effect, mix and match as you see fit. Keep it simple. It is basic programming of our subconscious computer, as well as communication with our Higher Self.

Whew, that seems like enough for tonight...

EV

Quote from: EscapeVelocity on November 19, 2019, 06:07:12
Thanks for your answers Panda, now we have a starting point!

My answers to those questions are much like yours with the exception that I gave up weed thirty years ago and have had about a hundred SP episodes.

So now that we know you have some practice in calming and silencing your mind, and even the benefit of the Gateway exercises...this is all great training for getting your mind/awareness into that sweet spot of 'receptiveness'. You do that with a daily, repetitive routine of practice. Lumaza is the resident 'Master' at that arcane practice, :wink:. It doesn't have to be hours at a time, that can actually be self-defeating. Do 15 minutes a day of meditation, or a Hemi-Sync session every other day. What you are striving for is to make your mind/awareness comfortable with that Focus 10, Focus 12, Focus 15 level and feeling. It does NOT have to be perfect. It took me two trips to The Monroe Institute to find out that there are nearly infinite gradations to these various Focus levels, both high and low, so it is a mistake to get frustrated in thinking that I haven't reached the necessary level during any particular session. You go with what 'ya got.

Honestly, the simplest technique may be to put on a Hemi-Sync session, like a 12 or a 15 and totally relax into it until you fall asleep...because the session is still working while you are asleep. Many sessions that I have had at TMI, I fall asleep or 'click out'. That happens for many people there and learning is still taking place, except at a deeper and subconscious level...which is sometimes, exactly where the learning needs to happen...so forcing it is not the answer, just let it happen. Do that like ten times and see if something changes.

A lot of this is re-learning and re-orienting our perspective to the various Realities available to us. Your daydreams, dreams and lucid dreams are one 'gateway' to the Wider Reality, the Non-Physical (NP) aspect of it. So you have already been there, where you are trying to go. Realizing that is just another step in realizing that it is just a change in perspective or Focus. In fact, your lucid dreams show you that you are already demonstrating higher awareness within the NP...so nicely done! This is the ability and awareness you should wish to expand and develop. This is the awareness you will learn to take you deeper into the NP dimensions.

Now you know why I asked the questions. :wink:

And now we come to areas of discussion and disagreement and all I can do is point out some of the conflicts and my ideas on them.

Most people, new to the idea of OBE, expect to lay down, relax and float out of their physical body like a ghost and go roaming about the planet. That experience can happen and often does, but you might get something else entirely. You might instead, awaken early one morning and immediately transition into a dreamlike, yet 'super-physically' real environment. You might be astounded at the hyper-reality of the event and the complexity of the experience that unfolds, but in the end just think of it as a crazy 'one-off' kind of dream. The truth is that both experiences are authentic and legitimate NP or OBEs. Given a few dozen of these experiences, you begin to re-question your assumptions about our overall Reality.

For me, it becomes a question of 'Did I learn something of value from the experience?' And if so, then why is it not legitimate and therefore 'real'?

So you meditate, have some Hemi-Sync experience...you are great to go with many of the 'noticing' techniques presented in the stickies of the Pulse. The candle flame, the Bedeekin method, various active Rundown methods...these are all active visualizations that keep your awareness concentrated while your physical body slides off into sleep. For me, it is the timing that counts and the WBTB method is recommended. Wake, Back To Bed...sleep a few hours, then get up for an hour and then try and observe yourself as you slide back into sleep. Try a technique or just observe. One of my big breakthrough nights was a night that I had awful gastrointestinal pains throughout the night. It wasn't easy nor fun, but I learned a lot! Three sleepless nights can do it too, when the dreams hit you almost instantly! Jeez, what fun! :-P

So all this should give you some ideas. There is another aspect-And that is re-programming your mind and asking permission of your Higher Self to step into this new arena. You don't just do it; you don't just make the jump...

You need to ask your 'Higher Self' for permission and cooperation in achieving this. I learned the hard way, over decades. It is still a form of communication that I am learning and I still get it wrong at times. It may seem like releasing instinctive, subconscious barriers, but I definitely think that it is more. You do this in a very simple process of nightly affirmations-

I ask for permission to have an out of body experience.
I know that I am safe and protected at all times.
I grant myself permission to explore the Wider Reality.
I ask for guidance from those I trust and know that I am ultimately in charge of my Life.

Words to that effect, mix and match as you see fit. Keep it simple. It is basic programming of our subconscious computer, as well as communication with our Higher Self.

Whew, that seems like enough for tonight...

EV

Thank you so much for taking the time to give me all this info & your insight, I really appreciate it tremendously. I have some work to do & will share my progress as I go along.

 :-D

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