An interesting experiment idea.

[T.L.]

I actually came up with this idea a while back but have not gotten around to try it yet. It stems from my interest in a different area of parapsychology particularly EVPs (Electronic voice phenomena). For those who have never heard of it, it is when you are doing a recording on a tape recorder or other electronic mediums and upon playback you hear voices and sounds that you did not hear while recording. A lot of people have tried to dismiss this as radio transmissions or a persons brain is just making a person think they are hearing something they are not (persons brain is using the random sounds to internally create a dialog). Honestly these explanations can be applied to some situations and evp experiments but not all of them. However in those cases obviously you wouldn't consider them true evps anyway.

Sometimes you can get stray signals from radio broadcasts however those are obvious to spot. However these rebuttals do not apply to an Evp in which a person is calling out to you by name, talking about what you are doing at that moment, or asking or answering direct questions. All of the above has happened to me and most of my friends who experimented with Evps back in the day. However now with these Hollywood movies about the subject like the movie White Noise for instance, which was completely ignorant and idiotic in many ways, a lot of public interest has ensued. Now you can not talk about the subject without people saying things like "Do you believe everything you see in the movies?". The only reason why this has not been scientifically proven as a real occurrence is because the variables involved and the fact that they can not explain where they (the voices) come from. Unless it can be explained from the current scientific stand point it would not be officially validated.

They could have a EVP on tape that talks about the lab setup, and it will not matter unless there is a legitimate theory about how the voice got there that did not involve disembodied beings (because in science this is frowned upon). If you want to experiment go ahead, with time and patience you will see it is a legit phenomena. I have only mentioned this idea a few times, and I don't believe I've posted it here before. Anyway the idea is to setup a tape recorder or other electronic recording device out of earshot range of the area you go to practice the obe state. The reason for this is obvious, you can talk while projecting just like you can talk in your sleep (with practice of course). You can setup the tape recorder near some kind of ambient noise generator if you want, or try both with and without. The program I use to filter out the noise and amplify is cool edit pro 2 (yes its changed its name but I still use the old cool edit pro) and it works perfect for it. Once you project you go to the room with the recorder and try to imprint your voice on the recording through a variety of ways.

Try speaking into the mic, try screaming into the mic, try concentrating on the words, try everything you can think of to add your voice to the recording. After you are satisfied of the attempt, end the experience writing down in your journal what you tried to say. Add the audio from the recorder to your pc to strip out the ambient noise, and amplify what is left then listen to the recording. Obviously you will have a long recording so it will take some time to listen to the recording, unless you succeeded in projecting rather quickly. You can estimate the length of time it took you to succeed and go from there, or just go through the recording with a fine tooth comb (which is what I would do). If you succeed let us know of your results and obviously add a link to the recording. I will get around to this experiment myself sometime soon. I located my tape recorder but Im trying to hunt down my electronic recorder since it has a longer recording time, and sound quality is better.

[T.L.]

Also I wanted to explain and add something to avoid questions so we can stick to the subject at hand, and without cluttering the original post. The reason for adding a ambient noise/white noise generator is to wrap/trap ultrasonic and other noises not heard by humans and recorders in the recording. When the vibrations of the ultrasonic (or other inaudible sounds) intersect/collide with the vibrations from the white noise it creates an imprint on the white noise you can hear like a carbon copy of the inaudible noise. Another thing some people have questions about that involve disembodied noises is how a person can be recording (like for instance on the ghost hunters show) and hear the voice yet upon reviewing the recording they do not find the voice on the tape.

My theory on this is that in fact they did not hear the voice with their ears at all. Sure they heard the sound but the sound was not heard by their ears. There is an organ in the brain called the saccule. It has nerves that connect to the memory part of the brain, and to the parts of the brain that compute/resolve vibrations into sound. The saccule can receive ultrasonic sound vibrations and the person will hear those vibrations as sounds. In fact there are devices that people use to do just that, that will let you for instance hear a cd without the ears entirely. With a device such as this you could be deaf and use it to listen to your favorite cd/recording/television..etc.  Sure not a lot of people have heard about this kind of device, but yet it exists and costs around 300 to 500 dollars US. The only way it would not work is if you had some kind of brain damage, or trauma to the head that has compromised the saccule organ which is possible considering the very small size of the organ which is said to be about the size of a pea.

So a person could hear a voice with the saccule even without a machine, however the recording might not pick it up because there was not ambient noise to imprint the voice to. Microphones have a limited range of sound much as the human ear has a limited range of sound. This is my theory on that subject anyway. You can take it for what it is or just disregard, makes no difference to me.

[SkepticBoy]

Is anyone going to do this? it seems a good idea.

[SkepticBoy]

Anyone?

[kurtykurt42]

Yea, go for it SkepticBoy! 

[SkepticBoy]

Knew that was coming grrrr. would if I could .

[T.L.]

I think this will be my next thing I attempt. I just have to find my digital recorder since it has more recording time then the one I have that actually uses the micro cassette tapes.

[SkepticBoy]

K then try the time experiment sometime in the future.

They gotta have some sort of page where you can declare experiments you are going to do and by what deadline. That would be easier for people to keep track of progress and see easily and properly what the outcome was with each one.

You admins think that would be any good or?

[T.L.]

It's not a bad idea for us to have a section for experiments. Not only experiments dealing with the obe state but also experiments that deal with information or observations gathered from the obe state, or inspired by the obe state. Like perhaps other facets of parapsychology, like evp's. I have this idea based off a theory I have about the mechanics behind evp's, why it's possible, and how it really works... not only that but if I am right I would be able to take an already existing invention and put it to use for purposes it wasn't intended to actually have a two way real time dialog with people who have passed on.

Yes, I am serious and not insane =-) This is just one idea but it was a theory I came up with because of the obe state... so it does tie in to the main topic of this forum. However the deadline part isn't the best idea. Because if this section was created and I decided to post this particular theory and experiment idea I wouldn't create a deadline for myself simply because it is going to take me at least $600 to apply my idea, and I have no idea when Ill have the money to put it all together. Also when it comes to obe state experiments, no one can really now when it is the next time they will be able to project let alone sustain a stable projection long enough to carry out the experiment. Deadlines just really are not practical when it comes to obe'ing/projection. Kudos on the good idea though skeptic, I like it. +1 karma point for you my friend. That takes you up to -6