The Earth's Creation

[dbmathis]

Hi All,

I have been pondering or should I say re-evaluating what I have learned to date about how the Earth was created.

Science and cosmic evolution theories based on scientific observation and evidence suggests to us that the Earth was likely formed by a ball of gas and then by the bombardment of rocks hitting the earth and massive volcanic eruptions. Then while researching the astral world it seems that everything is created by thought alone.

I was wondering if anyone else has come to any conclusions here? I mean is it possible that the Earth started in the astral world as a ball of gas and then was progressively formed by huge volcanic eruptions that were in some lifeform's thoughts?

I am interested to hear what others on this forum think or know about this.

Best Regards

David

[Pikmin_Fan]

Nice idea!

Science, once you think you know everything, BAM you discover one little thing that makes you don't know 'everything' again.

[dbmathis]

Then again, maybe some lifeform's thoughts created the laws of physics which then by the nature of these laws, the earth was inadvertently or intentionally created.

I look forward to hearing from others.

[galaxy_storm]

"Then again, maybe some lifeform's thoughts created the laws of physics which then by the nature of these laws, the earth was inadvertently or intentionally created."
Yeah that seems pretty close to what I think. The idea of Earth was firstly created in the "thought world", this idea then caused the physical universe to change in a way which allowed the creation of Earth.

[MinstruelZ]

I like to think that science's version of creation isn't really very far off at all. Science can hypothesize that billions of years ago a bunch of rocks were colliding with a giant ball of dirt somewhere and then volcanoes happened and gas was created and then carbon and water, etc. This is all perfectly feasible to me while also believing that it could all be part of a greater entity's thought form and creation.

In other words, because science's version of creation is different from (for lack of a better term) religion's version, doesn't make either perspective incorrect. I think that both versions of creation happened, and continue to happen, exclusively but intrinsically intertwined.

[dbmathis]

I like to think that science's version of creation isn't really very far off at all.

I agree 100%.

In other words, because science's version of creation is different from (for lack of a better term) religion's version, doesn't make either perspective incorrect. I think that both versions of creation happened, and continue to happen, exclusively but intrinsically intertwined.

This I agree with too. I have come to pretty much the same conclusion, I was just hoping that some had brought back some insight from the other higher spiritual realms.

Thanks for the response! Was great to hear fro you.

[IceCold_K82]

I would think all this also.  But I think a God of sorts created our universe with thought.  It would take a powerful being to create earth let alone the universe with just their thoughts.  I think God create ours.  I also think there are many other universes because God is trying to figure out how he came to be.  Each Universe is an experiment in creating another God. 

He lives in the highest planes of Astral or the energy source which some have called it.  Most of us go back to him when we die, stronger souls stay around earth and the lower levels of astral until they merge again with God.

Most of this is my own study of religion and observation.  I could be way off.

[MinstruelZ]

I agree 100%.

This I agree with too. I have come to pretty much the same conclusion, I was just hoping that some had brought back some insight from the other higher spiritual realms.

Thanks for the response! Was great to hear fro you.

This is one of the things I would like to explore in the astral as well. Have you read Far Journeys by Monroe yet? This is something he gets into pretty deeply in this book, as far as the creation of the Earth goes. It's a great read.

[dbmathis]

I have not read that one yet. I just ordered it on Amazon so I guess I will be reading it next. Thanks for the recommendation.

[newmethod]

I wanted to share with you what i wrote today because it seems that it could be prudent to the issue you are discussing (I'd be keen on taking about some of this with you all, hopefully you can read it, and get what i am trying to explain. In the entire writing when i refer to CREATOR i refer to what ever you believe it to be  should you believe in one  and when i say SPIRITUAL or SPIRITUALLY throughout this document i mean in EVERY FEZIBLE way imaginable!) (The universal environment is ALL OF IT!?!)

The creator created for the sole reason of developing spiritually. It created the need for an environment which will cause the spiritual environment to grow. It needs earth (substance) to help it create a greater treasure. It understands better than us the conditions which will create the greatest universal environment required for spiritual growth. (added when typing: Now i think this CAN also cause a NEED for a physical environment - at least this is where it looks like it is ALSO inhabiting at the moment - what is the meaning and requirement for this?)

What came first darkness & light or warmth & cool?

I believe the creator came out of some darkness into a light (awakening). (Whether this is a metaphor or not doesn't really matter.) Whatever scale this is happening on doesn't matter either, it can happen in every way down to the very fabric upon which you were created (not refering to the typical biblical reference (not that I've read it)) - it can happen on a cellular level, on the molecular level, infinitely small and large - This "writing" can happen that in EVERY moment we, others and ALL (creator) is/are writing on the very fabric of the infinite universe.

What arose first to create the physical universe you see before you?

I believe that there was not physical before the physical-less (non-physical).
That there was not dark before there was light, & that there was not cool before there was warmth.

But was it pure thought or feeling that first inhabited the physical-less?

Where did it originate and who can tell?
How??

How long ago did it begin this process?
Was the physical inhabited at the start? Before the start?
Or
was/is there a possibility that the creator was not in fact the creator but occupied what was created before him/her
(maybe when the need for both him & her arises there is a requirement for some substance
And what the hell is happening when we are physically conceived/born?

Are our bodies ACTUALLY created with the help of a non-physical us before we incarnate??
Why?

I'd like to hear any answers anyone has for any of the/my questions throughout this writing? I'd like to discuss?

Please don't leave me in the Dark or am i about to redirect the course of a thread?

[dbmathis]

The creator created for the sole reason of developing spiritually. It created the need for an environment which will cause the spiritual environment to grow. It needs earth (substance) to help it create a greater treasure.

I think this is a very true statement. It seems that through my reading I have noticed the same pattern, that all physical worlds are created in order to bring back physical experiences to the spiritual. I will never doubt this as it seem to be a very logical reason for existence. 

[blackcat]

Or put antoher way, maybe the laws of physics are controlled by thought.  When you get down to the building blocks of reality, quarks, string theory, etc, what we seem to be finding is that obseration/attention seems have a profound effect on what exists and what doesn't.  And that is OUR observation, not that of a separate god, other than if you want to argue we are all part of god. 
-Eva 

[dbmathis]

Awesome response blackcat. This has crossed my mind so many times. Thank you for sharing.

[newmethod]

Or put antoher way, maybe the laws of physics are controlled by thought.  When you get down to the building blocks of reality, quarks, string theory, etc, what we seem to be finding is that obseration/attention seems have a profound effect on what exists and what doesn't.  And that is OUR observation, not that of a separate god, other than if you want to argue we are all part of god. 
-Eva 

Exactly what i am refering to in these two quotes:

(added when typing: Now i think this CAN also cause a NEED for a physical environment - at least this is where it looks like it is ALSO inhabiting at the moment)

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that a creative force, both the CREATOR (if you believe in one) and ourselves as the creative force are inhabiting the physical environment. The laws seem to be the same for both (at least now). One of my theories is that there are infinite amount of smaller consciousness that together form what we deem the CREATOR, ONE or QUANTUM FIELD etc

But was it the CREATOR that formed our consciousness or did we originally form it ourselves?? ... Are we forming it ourselves in every moment, the position in which we reside in the FIELD being defined by our position in the FIELD at the time of the experience (whether past, present or future)?

But how do we experience ourselves in two places at once? what is keeping our bodies formed while we depart them? Is it simply the density of this physical plane and that thought is slower in this plane?

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This "writing" can happen in EVERY moment, we, others and ALL (creator) is/are writing on the very fabric of the infinite universe.

But was it pure thought or feeling that first inhabited the physical-less?

I am suggesting here that the universe is still evolving and we, through our thoughts and actions, are contributing to this evolution OR we could be messing it up depending. But if there was an original creative force that CREATED & is looking to evolve would it not set up certain mechanisms in it's creation that would prevent it's consciousness from being polluted from our shi.tty thinking??

So blackcat:
sounds that you believe thought is the original constructive mechanism behind the universe we see before us?

Do you guys believe all came from THE NOTHING or was the physical CREATED somehow (possibly by chance) and then a consciousness became an opportunist & began to occupy the physical matter??

[jub jub]

Good subject but, shouldn't this be in the Philosophy section? 

[dbmathis]

Good subject but, shouldn't this be in the Philosophy section?  grin

You may be correct! My goal was to provoke thought and imagination, which is key to OBE. I figured it might help us newbies. .

I am suggesting here that the universe is still evolving and we, through our thoughts and actions, are contributing to this evolution OR we could be messing it up depending. But if there was an original creative force that CREATED & is looking to evolve would it not set up certain mechanisms in it's creation that would prevent it's consciousness from being polluted from our shi.tty thinking??

I guess this all depends on your definition of pollution. Maybe it's the misguided thinking that prompted the creation of physical life. Maybe higher forms of life became bored with what "they" had and wanted to experience more, less perfect moments. 

Do you guys believe all came from THE NOTHING or was the physical CREATED somehow (possibly by chance) and then a consciousness became an opportunist & began to occupy the physical matter??

This was basically the original question I had when I opened this topic . What I think may be happening is that thought created everything "Over time". I think that some super focused and intelligent lifeform of pure thought set the laws of physics into motion which resulted in physical matter. My belief at the moment "And this might change tomorrow" is that this lifeform put these laws into place so that an infinite number of physical worlds would come into existence so that an infinit number of experiences from the infinite number of lifeforms inhabiting these worlds could bring back the memories to it's consciousness. The earth would just be one of these worlds.

[tenshi_R]

the molecules are made of atoms and atoms are made of electrons> proton neutron

electron - It is an elementary particle with no known substructure and is believed to be a point particle
A point particle is an idealized object heavily used in physics. Its defining feature is that it lacks spatial extension: being zero-dimensional, it does not take up space

the nucleus of electron is made up of smaller particles which sonsist mostly of energy
probably can go on forever.
the smallest physical particle will still consist of smaller parts
just like a ball bearing appears to be solid when it is made of metal that has its own molecules atoms and so on.

so if theres no real physical matter to begin with  how did it become physical and real?

[newmethod]

I guess this all depends on your definition of pollution. Maybe it's the misguided thinking that prompted the creation of physical life. Maybe higher forms of life became bored with what "they" had and wanted to experience more, less perfect moments. 

Interesting... more "less perfect" moments COULD make for more INTENSE learning experiences.. Just to make sure you've learnt the lesson properly... 

This was basically the original question I had when I opened this topic . What I think may be happening is that thought created everything "Over time". I think that some super focused and intelligent lifeform of pure thought set the laws of physics into motion which resulted in physical matter. My belief at the moment "And this might change tomorrow" is that this lifeform put these laws into place so that an infinite number of physical worlds would come into existence so that an infinit number of experiences from the infinite number of lifeforms inhabiting these worlds could bring back the memories to it's consciousness. The earth would just be one of these worlds.

Very similar thinking to my own.. Thanks for the thread

so if theres no real physical matter to begin with how did it become physical and real?

Not sure.. i'm also not sure if: physical = real

though my original asumption to how this happened was:

What arose first to create the physical universe you see before you?

I believe that there was not physical before there was physical-less (non-physical).
That there was not dark before there was light, & that there was not cool before there was warmth.

But was it pure thought or feeling that first inhabited the physical-less?

Where did it originate and who can tell?
How??

My current belief (based partly on what i sense in my body when asking these kinds of questions) is:
that an intelligence (CREATOR) was born from light and created the physical environment with the help of warmth. How?? I don't know.. All i can guess is, it was EXTREMELY INTELLEGENT and saw a purpose as well as how to design the universe before creating it...

Was it pure thought or feeling that first inhabited the physical-less?
This i cannot tell.. i have trouble conceiving of thought without a corresponding sensation/feeling. I would think this would have been almost simultaneous and the feedback of thought on feeling, feeling on thought, could have triggered something from THE NOTHING. If there was a NOTHING though it still is almost inconceiveable to me as to how that first spark of awareness came into existence. It must have known itself soooooo well before this spark of awareness was to be able to identify itself... in A NOTHING

Though i'm not sure that it matters to us... Maybe in some far off time it will matter but i think what is most important currently is finding what is the deepest PURPOSE to the universe and how we can improve this current universe

That is of course.... if there is a PURPOSE and it is not ALL here by CHANCE??

[tenshi_R]

and another thought
if according to scientists our universe is slowing down and  the energy is distributing evenly throughout the space.
then where does it go? outside our universe?
and light/dark, cold/hot medium would mean total calmness which gona suck big time cuz its gona be boring humans will turn into rocks and  bump into eachother very slowly (enough time to share the news from last bump with another rock).

if it does then how did it get here in the first place to form this univerce space?
if time is relative and we imagine the big bang as really really fast thing that happened long time ago from infinitely small tiny needle space. 
can it be possible that this universe is a tiny needlespace on a much bigger scale( step up from this) and much slower relative time which makes it look fast and as soon as our bang universe reaches the boundaries it will explode into another much larger space startign the cycle over. which then means there is energy remaining in our time from all previous bangs and bigs.


so what is non physical/material/ real?

it is still an idea which means it exists and had to form out of something. withour the thinker it would not exist.

which leaves only one thing if everything is so interdependent with eachother and cannot exist by itsself than it must have started immediately as a whole  system appeared out of something. and kept on going

[tenshi_R]

got carried away lol
i guess my point of the last post was
whether it is light, dark, creator, idea, non matter or anything else that occupies a definition or imagination or pretty much shows up on some kind of radar as present, it had to appear from somewhere at one point of time in order to make something else.
where's the begining? the initial point of creation and where did it come from.

[tenshi_R]

i ve been puzzled with this question for so long lol
the space that our universe occupies. what is it?

as i asked on other forum

assuming that this world with all its limitations feels real to us, does that mean that the 3D simulated world of games in our computers feels real to the game characters? the 2 worlds are totally separate adn cannot be interfaced with eachother directly

[newmethod]

where's the begining? the initial point of creation and where did it come from.

I've asked this of myself also... earlier i wrote:

Where did it originate and who can tell?
How??

The only reason i keep wondering about this is that i think it may help me understand the creator and its PURPOSE more fully..

To me understanding the PURPOSE and the creators vision for us/me and ensuring that i/we reach or exceed that... - probably HEAPS of lifetimes of exploration here.... This is the main priority for me..

So what is the PURPOSE of the universe?? Should we start a new thread for this (maybe the philosophy section) though no one seems to read the philosophy section too often....

can it be possible that this universe is a tiny needlespace on a much bigger scale( step up from this) and much slower relative time which makes it look fast and as soon as our bang universe reaches the boundaries it will explode into another much larger space startign the cycle over.

Wondered about this..
If so how does this current universe interact with the first??

which then means there is energy remaining in our time from all previous bangs and bigs.

Interesting..... i figure you mean "previous big bangs"

and another thought
if according to scientists our universe is slowing down and  the energy is distributing evenly throughout the space.

Is it... I thought years ago i had heard that the universe is currently expanding.. Is its' expanding that is slowing??

which leaves only one thing if everything is so interdependent with eachother and cannot exist by itsself than it must have started immediately as a whole  system appeared out of something. and kept on going

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