Travelling to the Spirit World

[T_Kman0610]

quote:Originally posted by Graupel

I have read many of my mom's old books regarding astral projection, and intrestingly enough a good portion of them deal with travel to the actual spirit world (heaven and hell? im not sure about this part hehe) to interact with deceased loved ones and whatnot.

Is this possible, and would this be done by "phasing" into the astral world instead of projecting into the real time zone buffer?

well yes it is possible but you have to have some experience to the point where you can travel the planes the plane  you would go to is the lower plane, it is somewhat like the physical, those who have passed over but continue to cling to theyre physical life are here. well there ya go, [8D]

[Allanon]

If you beleive you are projecting around talking to deceased relatives you are being deceived by Satan and his minions. The Bible is very clear on the fact that those who attempt to talk to the dead and travel around the spirit world are really just being led astray by demons.

Beleive in Jesus!!!!

[Tab]

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

If you beleive you are projecting around talking to deceased relatives you are being deceived by Satan and his minions. The Bible is very clear on the fact that those who attempt to talk to the dead and travel around the spirit world are really just being led astray by demons.

Beleive in Jesus!!!!

LOL!
good one

[WalkerInTheWoods]

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

If you beleive you are projecting around talking to deceased relatives you are being deceived by Satan and his minions. The Bible is very clear on the fact that those who attempt to talk to the dead and travel around the spirit world are really just being led astray by demons.

Beleive in Jesus!!!!

So that time Jesus went up on that mountain and talked with Moses he was being led astray by demons? Jesus said that man can do all the things that he can do. Jesus talked with the dead so man can talk with the dead.

quote: I have read many of my mom's old books regarding astral projection, and intrestingly enough a good portion of them deal with travel to the actual spirit world (heaven and hell? im not sure about this part hehe) to interact with deceased loved ones and whatnot.

Is this possible, and would this be done by "phasing" into the astral world instead of projecting into the real time zone buffer?

Yes it is possible, though I have not done it. From what I have read it is usually done on the astral instead of the real time zone.

[Tayesin]

Hi All.

Yes it is very possible and do-able.  

I am sure Ginny could supply much more information on the levels that the newly dis-embodied Soul travels through.  Also, remember that all the 'levels' and dimensions are co-existing, meaning that they are all around us all of the time.

Allanon, what can I say in any way that you would not judge it by the belief-system that you choose to have ?
 
Yes, your God is the creator of all things and therefore created all the possible Soul and astral levels that many of us experience DIRECTLY.   Satan, does not confuse me when I am in Spirit on a journey because I FEEL the Presence and Great Love of the Creator which cannot be coerced onto me by any force.  

So please try not to enforce you very limited belief system and experience upon members of the forum who do have direct experience of something that you have no idea about. (Said to you lovingly)

You may not be aware of this, but, you are at this forum for something far more deeper than your wish to set us all back on the straight and narrow christian path, for 'God' does move in mysterious ways brother.

Love always.[]

[jc84corvette]

quote:Originally posted by fallnangel77

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

If you beleive you are projecting around talking to deceased relatives you are being deceived by Satan and his minions. The Bible is very clear on the fact that those who attempt to talk to the dead and travel around the spirit world are really just being led astray by demons.

Beleive in Jesus!!!!

So that time Jesus went up on that mountain and talked with Moses he was being led astray by demons? Jesus said that man can do all the things that he can do. Jesus talked with the dead so man can talk with the dead.

quote: I have read many of my mom's old books regarding astral projection, and intrestingly enough a good portion of them deal with travel to the actual spirit world (heaven and hell? im not sure about this part hehe) to interact with deceased loved ones and whatnot.

Is this possible, and would this be done by "phasing" into the astral world instead of projecting into the real time zone buffer?

Yes it is possible, though I have not done it. From what I have read it is usually done on the astral instead of the real time zone.

Very good point, but if the Bible says so??

[beavis]

Allanon "The Bible is very clear on the fact that..."

Thats all I needed to read. The rest of your post must be crap.

[Allanon]

THE BIBLE IS FACT AND ALL OTHER BOOKS AND ANY OTHER GOSPEL IS THE CREATION OF MAN AND DEMONS.

[Makaveli]

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

THE BIBLE IS FACT AND ALL OTHER BOOKS AND ANY OTHER GOSPEL IS THE CREATION OF MAN AND DEMONS.

Then how do you explain all of the contradictions, inconsistencies, and stupid verses in it?  I would like to hear how you could possibly know this as a fact.  

[jc84corvette]

EVERY ONE JUST STOP IT, STOP IT NOW!

This post was for traveling to the Sprit World, NOT a book discussion! You mods and admins would have to agree? If you want this chat to continue I would ask the admins and mods to move this to the book discussion.

That is all.

[curiousgirl]

well, i must say that i am VERY interested in finding out about how to visit the deceased while AP'ing.  so if anyone has some things to say about it, please post!  i know that there is some difference between OBE'ing and AP'ing...  let's see.. when you OBE, you are put on one of the lowest planes, the real time zone?  i really don't know much about this stuff yet.  anyway, so if you're at the real time zone, is there anyway to get to the other planes from there?  is it difficult?  do you need a spirit guide or something to help you?  or is it possible to "call" a deceased person from his plane to come visit you on the plane you're on?

[Allanon]

You guys don't get it do you. When you die you are dead. Dust. Ashes. A rotting corpse. Do not try and contact the dead unless you like to talk to demons and Satan.

[jc84corvette]

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

You guys don't get it do you. When you die you are dead. Dust. Ashes. A rotting corpse. Do not try and contact the dead unless you like to talk to demons and Satan.

Thank you for a reply witch deals with this topic.

[Graupel]

Are you saying you don't believe in life after death?  There is just too much evidence and paranormal occurrences, and I for one believe that the spirit world exists and it is possible to travel there.

[jc84corvette]

I would not care to travel to that world, I will see life after my death in heaven.

[Allanon]

quote:Are you saying you don't believe in life after death? There is just too much evidence and paranormal occurrences, and I for one believe that the spirit world exists and it is possible to travel there.

The wages of sin is death. When you die the only hope for life after death rests in Jesus Christ and Him alone. This topic here deals with talking to the dead and that is just what Satan wants you to think. That you live on without the NEED of Jesus and the cross. Do you think you have the power to bring yourself back to life. Are you responsible for the functions of your body, your breath, your heartbeat. Do you actually think you do any of that? It is only by the power of God that these things happen and not yourself.

[shadowatcher]

"Do you think you have the power to bring yourself back to life?"

No, I dont think you die at all. My spirit will live on as a part of everything. Matter is never destroyed, just relocated. When I die, my soul will be a part of the universe, no part of god. SCREW GOD! I dont want some old guy in robes taking care of my soul. It can take care of itself...

[jc84corvette]

Its all in your little head people! Belive in what you want to belive in, simple as that.

[Allanon]

quote:No, I dont think you die at all. My spirit will live on as a part of everything. Matter is never destroyed, just relocated. When I die, my soul will be a part of the universe, no part of god. SCREW GOD! I dont want some old guy in robes taking care of my soul. It can take care of itself...

How do you think you came to life anyways. It was by the grace of God. Without Him you are DUST.

[curiousgirl]

so does anyone have anything to say about the original topic?  allanon has, as usual, veered us off course! *slapping forehead in frustration*[xx(]

[Allanon]

Very well curious girl I wil respond to the direct question at hand.

quote:I have read many of my mom's old books regarding astral projection, and intrestingly enough a good portion of them deal with travel to the actual spirit world (heaven and hell? im not sure about this part hehe) to interact with deceased loved ones and what not.

Is this possible, and would this be done by "phasing" into the astral world instead of projecting into the real time zone buffer?

I will respond directly to the bold type to be more specific.

There are many places in the Bible which regard the state of the dead as being just that. DEAD.

14 They are now dead, they live no more;
those departed spirits do not rise.
You punished them and brought them to ruin;
you wiped out all memory of them.


31 " 'Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God.


3 Now Samuel was dead, and all Israel had mourned for him and buried him in his own town of Ramah. Saul had expelled the mediums and spiritists from the land.

DO NOT ATTEMPT TO CONTACT THE DEAD UNLESS YOU ARE WANTING TO TALK TO DEMONS. THE DEAD ARE DEAD.

When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?

[Soulfire]

quote:Originally posted by curiousgirl

well, i must say that i am VERY interested in finding out about how to visit the deceased while AP'ing.  so if anyone has some things to say about it, please post!  i know that there is some difference between OBE'ing and AP'ing...  let's see.. when you OBE, you are put on one of the lowest planes, the real time zone?  i really don't know much about this stuff yet.  anyway, so if you're at the real time zone, is there anyway to get to the other planes from there?  is it difficult?  do you need a spirit guide or something to help you?  or is it possible to "call" a deceased person from his plane to come visit you on the plane you're on?

When I am conscious in the astral, all I do is think clearly where I want to go or who I want to see and expect to go there and then say loud and clearly, "I want to...(whatever I want to accomplish)".  Usually my perception of everything blurs and I feel sensations similar to but not quite the same as physical movement, then after what seems a few seconds I am there...or at least NEAR where I wanted to go.  Sometimes it won't work the first time, and then I have found if I close my eyes and do it again with better focus it will work.  I assume when it fails the first time that my intention was probably not strong enough or something, but I can almost always get it the second time.

Sometimes I do get different results than I expected.  One time I wanted to go see my father (who had passed away).  It did not work at first, so I tried closing my eyes like I said.  I felt the movement sensations, but instead of only lasting a couple seconds, it seemed to take MUCH longer...as in several full minutes.  When I got there, I had the distinct "feeling" that I had somehow accidentally gone back in time and was seeing my father when he was young and still alive instead of going to his spirit in the astral as I expected.  I have no idea WHY that happened or even if my interpretation of it is correct, but I believe it is.  In any event, I could not get his attention when I tried (which has never happened in the astral) and when I asked my mom if he ever played basketball with uncle Bill when he was in his late teens (the scene I saw when I got there) she said yes.  Before that, I never would have guessed that of my father as the closest thing he ever did to playing or watching or discussing any sports my whole life was playing catch with me when I was a kid.

I hope this helps...

--Soulfire

[curiousgirl]

yes, soulfire, it certainly does help! thanks![]  now, if only i could manage to get myself onto the astral in order to try it out...[:I][]

[beavis]

jc84corvette "Belive in what you want to belive in, simple as that."

Thats a sure way to be correct [/sarcasm]

[Graupel]

I have read many of my mom's old books regarding astral projection, and intrestingly enough a good portion of them deal with travel to the actual spirit world (heaven and hell? im not sure about this part hehe) to interact with deceased loved ones and whatnot.

Is this possible, and would this be done by "phasing" into the astral world instead of projecting into the real time zone buffer?