The Final Word On OBEs

beavis · July 23, 2003, 19:15:05

The government would kill you first. They killed Tesla because he knew too much. What he did confuses modern science. He had to have known a lot of metaphysics. It would be interesting to try to get Tesla's knowledge in astral.

JustLikeThePill · July 23, 2003, 19:21:11

huh?

someone already created an OBE while treating a woman for epilepsy (or a similar condition) accidentally i think.

beavis · July 23, 2003, 19:22:12

Theres already proof, but its not interesting enough to morons for it to get on the news. It would have to be big.

JustLikeThePill · July 23, 2003, 19:23:07

huh?

someone already created an OBE while treating a woman for epilepsy (or a similar condition) accidentally i think.

WalkerInTheWoods · July 23, 2003, 19:24:14

You cannot convince someone of something they do not want to believe, no matter how much proof you have. So we will have to continue doing it one person at a time. Face it, some people just are not ready for such knowledge yet.

shadowatcher · July 23, 2003, 19:50:28

I think if someone found out something really important in the astral plane, and then put it in the news...and kept doing it again and again, it might work. I mean, like if someone had AP into a printing press and read the whole Harry Potter book and posted all the spoilers on the internet, or emailed them to JK rowling or something. Something like that, that grabs people onto an issue.

beavis · July 23, 2003, 21:32:32

*** news ***

"Astral projector" has vision of an extra dimension where aliens are planning to take over earth.

*viewers* hahahahaha

strwrs_guru · July 23, 2003, 22:27:31

shadowcatcher.........this is already being studied scientifically(sp). robert monroe has started an institute for the study of this subject as well as other subjects. it is not government backed science, but it is still a scientific endeavor.

also the government did look into this subject with the remote viewing aspect of OBE and a really talented man named Ingo Swan. i would post a link here for you but i am kind of computer illiterate and i dont know how to do that yet.sorry.

Michael_E · July 24, 2003, 00:37:44

quote:
Originally posted by shadowatcher

It will never come...will it. Not until a group (us) of people who can travel in the astral plane get together a group of scientific types, and conduct an official-ish experiment. What Im suggesting is lasting proof of OBEs and their impact on society. When Ive asked this of people before, they explained what a mockery it would make of the entire point of Aping. I know this is many peoples opion, but when you say that to someone who has never APed, it sounds like an excuse not to prove the truth in APing. I think an expirement like this one is necessary for the OBE community. Any thoughts?

Hello shadowatcher,

The group of astral travelers getting together to prove astral experiences to scientists has been done already and is still being done as we speak.
The military sponsers things like this, i think it is a shame that the only time leaders take interest in such a thing is if they think that it will be of some military use. Maybe all of society isnt ready to learn to have astral experiences...?

Birm · July 24, 2003, 01:14:22

They all are living in a material world...

BTW: Michael_E are you talking about Hodja Nasreddin in your signature??? [

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Frère · July 24, 2003, 09:38:24

It's like wanting to make realise to the majority that their culture is mass culture, that they could do a lot for a better world, that "love could change the world" as the beatles said... it's an illusion... masses will always be masses we all have to accept that, even a group like ours is not interdependent, and it is hard to find 3 persons who really want with their heart to send love thoughts to our world... in such a world who will care for the dreams of some APers?... and anyway these dreams are only interesting to read about for people who are already conviced they make sense. That conviction may never be carried by some kind of mass media, because it is too hard to acknoledge to let mass publishers take the liberty to impose it to their large public.

Michael_E · July 24, 2003, 10:03:04

quote:
Originally posted by Birm

They all are living in a material world...

BTW: Michael_E are you talking about Hodja Nasreddin in your signature??? []

yes, i believe that hodja nasreddin and mulla nasrudin are the same, but i dont know why there is two different names for the same person. Myabe Hodja Nasreddin is the turkish equivalent?

travelinbob · July 24, 2003, 10:14:17

The scientific method was designed to prove things in the physycal world. It has failed partially to prove theories in things as psycology, and sociology. And even in the physical sciences it can only show corrolations between states of two things. But it cannot prove real cause and effect relations.

Example: The physiological state in which the brain's level of seratonin is low has a high degree of corrolation with the existance of depression. But: Does the low level of seratonin cause the depression, or does depression lower the level of seratonin? Both arguments could be made. Which you choose depends on your bias.

I would be surprised if our OBEs could be proven scientifically, since the data could not be made to fit the existing sceintific methods of investigation, to the satisfaction of dogmatic scientists. A new scientific method would have to emerge to be able to prove these matters. But would the scientist accept a change to their existing methods they cling to like a crucifix? I don't think so.

But the effort should still be undertaken.

Frère · July 24, 2003, 10:31:08

well said travelinbob
I would have liked to write this, but unfortunaltely was not able
*greetings*
nevertheless, since einstein, there are ways to be able to say that time and space don't exist that much (I heard some say)
so maybe the way einstein exposed existence may open the door to a world on multiple planes.

jason · July 24, 2003, 12:52:02

I remember reading somewhere that physicists have realized that the only way modern theorys in quantum physics make any sense is if we were in a multi-dimensional universe.

it seems we just gotta wait for the average "don't believe it till I can grab it with my hand" type person to catch up...

Frère · July 24, 2003, 13:04:22

did anybody out there hear about some student in quantum physics who would have delt with OBE?

By the way, I'm trying to imagine what would hapen in the astral plane if the whole humanity was in this buisness of OBE... would we come across adds in the astral plane, and all these commercials that we find now on internet, and that weren't there at the start of it when it was "confidential"?

zakaroth · July 24, 2003, 13:11:36

just thinking...
maybe there are planes below the physical that human beings once populated, but after everyone learnt how to ascend nobody stayed there....
just a thought [

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please dont hurt me [:O] [B)]

shadowatcher · July 24, 2003, 14:16:55

SAMPLE EXPEREMINT:

Two rooms under close observation. One holds a bed and a man about to achieve AP. The other holds a table with a single object on it. A candle, for instance. The man Aps, and travels to the other rooom. He takes note of all that is in the room, then returns. Repeat until the government is satasfied.

Frère · July 24, 2003, 16:28:01

Useless
he might have guessed
And even if he can know what's in the other room, doesn't proove he can talk with the dead, report on planets, tell prophecies...

shadowatcher · July 24, 2003, 17:42:18

Yes, but if you did enough trials, with a more scientificy experiment... comeon, im not the scientificy type anyhoo....

Right, so are you saying that there is no way anyone who isnt a directly related friend of an APer will ever believe in AP?

Birm · July 25, 2003, 04:51:04

quote:
Originally posted by Michael_E

yes, i believe that hodja nasreddin and mulla nasrudin are the same, but i dont know why there is two different names for the same person. Myabe Hodja Nasreddin is the turkish equivalent?

Yes it is... [

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quote:

Two rooms under close observation. One holds a bed and a man about to achieve AP. The other holds a table with a single object on it. A candle, for instance. The man Aps, and travels to the other rooom. He takes note of all that is in the room, then returns. Repeat until the government is satasfied.

People believe what they want to believe... so if they want to believe it there is no need for such an experiment i think. Everyone sees dreams when they sleep... As Bruce says in Treatise on OBE:

Once the astral body has separated, it is free to create dreams. This is the natural (sleep, dream) process we are all familiar with.

LogoRat · July 26, 2003, 14:52:57

mms://win.ispstream.com/matthewc/disclosure/coasttocoast1_31_2003.wma

Click that link and listen.

shadowatcher · July 23, 2003, 18:54:02

It will never come...will it. Not until a group (us) of people who can travel in the astral plane get together a group of scientific types, and conduct an official-ish experiment. What Im suggesting is lasting proof of OBEs and their impact on society. When Ive asked this of people before, they explained what a mockery it would make of the entire point of Aping. I know this is many peoples opion, but when you say that to someone who has never APed, it sounds like an excuse not to prove the truth in APing. I think an expirement like this one is necessary for the OBE community. Any thoughts?

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