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Originally posted by rodentmouse
either way its been difficult trying to remain calm as my awareness shifts into the 3rd eye area.
anyone know what i mean, if so how did you overcome it?
Well, when you start getting to the stage where you're seeing brief astral images, then you're right on the border of a successful projection.
However, if you're having trouble at this point, you may want to try switching tactics. For example, meditate until you see these images. Then, when you're consciously aware of the stage you're at, switch your focus to your astral hearing.
Simply "listen" and see if you can catch a glimpse of some astral sounds, like bells, chimes, static, etc.
This will take the attention off your eyes/vision, and at the same time, it will still take you forward in the right direction of mind awake/body asleep.
Your almost there! Keep practicing and keep your attitude positive!
Yours,
JC
hello jeff mash, i should have mentioned actually that my problem with astral sight also applies to astral hearing, as in when i hear banging, hissing, or screwed up tin foil kinda sounds i am shunted back to my normal awareness and physical body.
i also try and project by focusing on a small part of my brain, it takes about 10 minuites of using Roberts Mobile body awareness tecnique until i locate it and feel my astral body breifly come loose, the problem here also is that as soon as i feel myself fall or float i get excited, hence causing tension in my physical body, hence causing me to return.
The times i come close to projecting are always botched by me thinking "wow its actually happening" this applies to me hearing, seeing and feeling any kind of astral phenomena.
its annoying that because i look forward to projecting, it actually stops me from doing so but as you say jc84- keep on practising.
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Originally posted by rodentmouse
its annoying that because i look forward to projecting, it actually stops me from doing so but as you say jc84- keep on practising.
I am having the same problem that you are. Since recently finding this site I have been trying some of the techniques described here
with some success but I am getting stuck in the same place that you are. The first obstacle I had to overcome was the "fear factor" as
my first OBE experience was spontaneous and very frightening because
at the time I had very little knowledge of this subject. I have now gotten past that and learned to ignore the strange noises (most of the time) and the sensations akin to my cat jumping up on the bed with me when I know damn well that he is outside. I was pleasantly surprised the first time I was able to see the room I was in through closed eyes, however like you, my surprise ended the experience. Just the other day I had a closed eye vision while attempting to project.
It was like looking through a keyhole and getting a glimpse of
something. Whatever it was, it was definitely
alive. It was moving and even seemed to be beckoning me (I concede that I can't be certain of the beckoning part because I had just a flash of it)
This inspired me to try even harder, which I think turned out to be counterproductive. Once I decided to give it a rest and not try so hard, similar phenomena started to re-occur on their own without trying at all. At this point my strategy is to just take advantage of these experiences when they occur on their own and see how it works out. One thing I have noticed is that the closed eye vision etc. seem more prone to occur when I am very tired but alert at the same time. Like when you stay up for a day or so without sleep, your body is very tired but your mind has made it past the "wall", so you are alert even though you are exhausted.
Well Last night I was having this realy fast spinning sensation and my eyes started to flicker after I got I mages and I had to try to force them to stay close, but the flickering wouldnt stop. So i just opened my eyes for a little bit, like 3 sec. and the flickering stop and I was still in a meditative state.[;)]
I am curious Rodentmouse. I am familiar with Roberts Mobile awareness techniques. You mentioned focusing on a small part of the brain - what part were you focusing on? I agree that all the sounds relavent to AP can be distracting. I find that the best way to deal with them is to just act like you are bored with them and let them pass on thru your consciousness without dwelling on them or even acknowledging them.
centa five, try to completely relax all the muscles in your face and head/crown, the more relaxed it is the more youll be in touch with the crown and brow chakras.
i think the part which i focus on when trying to project is the brow chakra/3rd eye. The more relaxed your entire head is, inside and out, the more aware you are of this chakra- which usually when i focus on it long enough causes me to slip out of my body breifly or to get glimpses of those astral landcapes.
its hard really to describe where it is, it begins at the bridge of the nose and works its way towards the center of the head between the ears pretty much.
its like a path of awareness you must take from the bridge of the nose to this "point" that needs constant focus, if you lose focus you have to start again. With me i notice that merely thinking about anything at all creates tension in my brain and blocks this path of awareness.
whatever it is must be the 3rd eye, just try to relax your head and focus on the bridge of your nose and allow the awarenss of you doing that take you to this point in the center of your head.
i think the physical gland is either the pituatry gland or pineal gland, one of these is the physical manifestation of it, just like the heart is the physical counterpart of the heart chakra.
But the physical counterpart of the 3rd eye chakra as far as i know has no use according to modern medicine...
could this be that because man has forgotten about it and doesnt use it, that its physical counterpart is dying?
i wonder if modern medicine would find any abnormalities in the pineal gland of a person fully adept in using or understanding the 3rd eye.
Thanks for your explanation Rodentmouse. Your description of how to do it sounds very intriguing and I'll give it a try. The area in the brain that you are referring to may be what they call the Amygdala. I'm not too familiar with the technique by bringing your awareness to it is supposed to stimulate ESP and other psichic faculties. The idea of placing your awareness on the bridge of your nose and allowing it to proceed on its own up thru your Brow Chakra and into the center of the brain to a specific location is very interesting. Allowing this to occur would probably be a lot more accurate than if we try to guess where in our brain to focus our awareness. Thanks for the tip.
I also have experienced some weird interplay about using my eyes when obe, maybe because i still don't have much vision and i have to remind myself not to open my physical eyes.
I have noticed that focusing on the third eye area actually produces some sort of tension there, i have been able to overcome it by looking at an inner projector there, looking for hypnogogic imagery, it seems to relax the face more and deepen the trance somewhat.
Don't know if this applies, it seems to be an area that is hard to describe what we experience. Looks like you are making progress.
hello good people :D
i beleive now that my only hurdle in being able to AP is getting over trying to see the astral with my physical eyes.
when i get into trance and relax my body, i get shots of astral landscapes in my 3rd eye, but my awareness keeps shooting back to my physical eyes when these visions occur, thus losing the connection.
i also get the strobe effect as my 3rd eye becomes active, but when i acknoledge that it has become active i lose touch with it.
its either getting over the habitual use of my physical eyes, or the tension which is created in my body due to the exitement of being close to projecting.
either way its been difficult trying to remain calm as my awareness shifts into the 3rd eye area.
anyone know what i mean, if so how did you overcome it?