I can never make it past the RTZ!!! :(

[Killa Rican]

Hi guys. Most of MY non-physical experiences is from what most people would call here the "RTZ". As they have been all consious exits. I only ever had one "Intense" Astral Traveling experience and that was during a Lucid Dream where i totally felt like I was in another Dimension. But Besides that I stay stuck in the RTZ, And as Much as I Love OBEING I want something new...

Last Night when i Left my Body, The Darkness was 4 Dimensional, way different from where it was in the physical. And I even told myself right there "I'm tired of being stuck in my house, I want to really experience outer space like the more experienced travelers!!" So right then i tried flying up Past my ceiling and closed my eyes and tried to visualize outer space, And when i open them i will be there.

It didnt work however...Flying up through my ceiling closing my eyes and visualizing. I opened them up to see a few stars. But they looked 2D. Really cheap quality. And they started to fall down all around me. And i crashed back into my room. I was still out of body. I was getting really dissapointed.. THE RTZ is too freaking similar to real Life despite defying the laws of Physics & nature.

I want to discover something completely New, Non-Physical concepts, Something my brain could have never possibly been introduced to in waking life.

Anyone have any advice or tips to do in this situation?

Thanks!

[Stookie]

I don't really know how to explain this well, but in this type of situation I move "inward". It's sort of a mental state and the transition kind of feels like being turned inside-out (not in a painful way, just weird). During, I hold the intention of changing my state of awareness towards my goal. Not "going there", but altering consciousness, experiencing a shift (the inside-out), and the experience/scenery/feeling/mode of perception, changes.

But I know others simply fly through a mirror or walk through a door. May be easier.

[justin35ll]

Haha dude.. I think the exact same thing.. can't really help though as I havnt figured out how to have crazier experiences. I want to experience nonphysical things and learn more deeply about conciousness like Robert monroe. I just started working with meditation so well see how that goes

[Pauli2]

I've read about several methods:

1. Find a mirror, that reflects the room behind you. Move into the mirror.
2. Find a picture, large photo, painting. Move into the pic/photo/painting.
3. Move to outer space, move as fast as you can until your surroundings become blurred. Stop.
4. State firmly "To my Total Self". If moved, just follow.
5. U name it.


If you're lucky your are into one of the Focus Levels above F 22.

[Under_the_Midnight_Sun]

I've had success just flying off at extremely fast speeds just a little over the horizon, above the trees

[catmeow]

I usualy do regular exits and end up in my bedroom in my house.  However, when "phasing" I invariably end up in some exotic location way removed from my house.  And it feels very real.  Try phasing.

[Xanth]

As I was telling Killa in IRC earlier today...

I've got myself a theory...
I was reading a chap's method, Bedeekin (from the Astral Viewers) Method... and I never noticed it before, but he describes a point just before he does his separation that sounds exactly like a deep Focus 10 or light Focus 12.  Assuming this is true, then he's INTERRUPTING the normal phasing routine in order to have a classic separation-type obe experience.

That would mean that to do an RTZ projection, one would simply need to interrupt the Focus-Phasing process and begin an exit technique... otherwise, you'd just keep doing what you're doing and you'll end up, NATURALLY, in the astral. 

As I said, it's just a theory for now... but it's one I believe has some merit.

[Greytraveller]

Hallo Killa Rican
I actually think that you are trying too hard to get out of your house. Try calmly moving to a door and going through it. Or go through a window. If either of those are a barrier than try an affirmation, something like, "I will go through the door/window Now!" or "Phase through the door/window Now!" Be aware of Not getting too excited because strong emotions can quickly end an OBE. That's my 2 cents worth anyway. 

Regards 
Grey

[djed]

Hi Killa, I believe anyone who stays in RTZ needs more preperation, that is more stored psychic energy from deep relaxing regular meditation and more sleep, interspersed with exercise. I find it hard to stay longer in RTZ , I just am pulled up through the ceiling and then fly away.
Try for lucid dream starts and you will already be out of RTZ. Good luck
Cheers, djed 

[tweed]

Hey there, wait a sec..   The RTZ or physical world is much bigger than what we take it for. There is that whole etheric section we can't see with our eyes. Apparently you can do that via astral body. I hope you try to stay with what you get for a while, and really wander around more. Perhaps you'll find some odd portal or funny family of little entities/aliens..   My friend told me he met a light being.