Help please! I don't understand where to go from here

[dalearner]

Hi All,

I have had a couple of Lucid dreams etc, and am slowly getting to the point of being awake when it is done. It's getting that final point out that seems to be a little tricky.

1. I started practicing for a fully concious exit about 4 days ago. The first time I tried, I was buzzing etc but couldn't get out - my head felt stuck and it felt like my feet were up near the top of the room. However my chest felt like It was in ecstacy, and I didn't sleep all night because I was so full of energy after the experience.

2. The second time I tried the rope technique and after climbing for ages I could feel one leg out, and a little bit of my upper torso was out but my mid waist was stuck and I felt really heavy....then I could feel a tickle in the middle if my back, and then my back felt all light - it was weird, but I still couldnt move, and eventually it all just faded until I was in my body again.

3. The third time I could feel my head slipping away and all of a sudden I could slowly move my head, and I could feel the matter of my physical body moving through my head as I moved - strange feeling. But that's as far as I got. As soon as I tried to move any other part of my body as well, I ended up moving my physical body and it was all over.

4. The fourth time my head came out again, but this time it was below my physical head, I know this because I could feel my breathing from my physical body blowing air on my face, so I must have been slightly below myself.

5. Last night I relaxed again, felt the floating sensation but couldn't see anything even though I tried. I felt really light and felt like I was all the way out and my head must of been out this time because I could hear the ticking of a clock in my room - but there is no clock. When I got out of bed today I went to my desk and realised my watch was on the desk but it has no ticking hand on it. So I put the watch up to my ear and I could hear it ticking very very quietly, however when my head was out of my body last night I could have sworn there was a clock on my desk ticking away - it seemed so loud, so my hearing senses had obviously been working outside of my body.

6. I have tried the rope technique - that's nothing but hard work. The ladder hasn't worked either. Picturing myself near the door looking back at myself has been a little bit better, but not the greatest sense. But what gives me the most amount of energy and buzzing is when I put music headphones on and raise my vibrational energy and picture myself flying....it is very clear when I do this and my body just feels like it is plugged into the power socket in the wall, but I am more concious of my body even though the flying seems a tiny bit real. I just haven't yet been able to "crack it open" and get fully out and fully concious of it. After trying all this and once I go to sleep I usually get a lucid dream or two which seem to go on forever as I slept in til lunch time today, and my dream felt like it went for hours. I am sick of dreaming though, I am aiming to do it fully concious.

Any help or suggestions?

Cheers
Justin

[Lucky]

You are doing really well so far Justin, from the sound of it.

Maybe some of the following will help with your understanding:

First, whether you are dreaming, lucid dreaming, or full out of body doing your thing, here's what's in common with all 3 states (and I am telling you this because you might be able to use it, to shift from dreaming to fully conscious oobe).

1. All 3 states are states of consciousness, simply different degrees of it.

2. How awake you is key.  Meaning how awake you are and how conscious you are while:

   a).  awake in the physical
   b).  while dreaming
   c).  while lucid dreaming
   d).  while oobe

What this has to do with it is that if you can get to the lucid dreaming state, (and it appears from what you wrote, that you can) one of the things to keep in mind is that to get from lucid dream to "full blown oobe" is a shift in consciousness.  But an easier way to say it is you need to wake up just a little more. 

You see, the more awake you are, while the body is asleep, the more apt you are to get completely out of body. 

Now this isn't the only requisite to getting out but it's one of the key things.

So a little more practice (or will power) as regards waking up a little more while having your lucid dreams  may give you that extra umph you need.

Drills or exercises you can do to help this happen are things like:

1.  Looking hard and looking with great intensity at your hands as soon as you realize you are lucid dreaming.  And doing this same drill in the physical can help you remember to do it in the dream.  Why is this a good drill for this?  Because when you look hard at anything, you are bringing in more focused attention, and thus more consciousness to that which you are focusing on.  And in this case what you are focusing on is YOU in a non-physical environment!  And to become fully awake in the non-physical planes, it requires that you be full awake, AND be fully focused on a NON-physical environment.  So focusing hard on your (non-physical) hands pulls attention away from the physical plane and away from THINKING.  When you think to much, what you are thinking about gets more attention than the non-physical world you want to be more fully drawn into.  See how that works?  Recap:  thinking too much while trying to get from lucid dream to oobe, focuses attention on thinking and on the things you are thinking and not on where you want to be.  Focusing your attention on your energy body's hands draws more and more consciousness into your non-physical realm.  And with greater consciousness comes the shift in consciousness to "oobe consciousness".  And from there you can "step out of" (i.e. shift consciousness out of) the dream state and emerge (in consciousness) into any number of realms, like: the belief system territories, F3, Focus 23, Local 2, the astral, parallel universes, alternate realities, the etheric plane, or whatever.

2.  next little drill.  While lucid dreaming if you can say to yourself something like "I am here, this is real" then look closely at various things in your dream environment, this can help (much like the hands drill above) in that it will help you become more conscious of the environment, and how real it appears.  Remember, to get from lucid dream to "oobe" one of the things required is a boost in consciousness, and usually just a little more.


Next subject:

Also I've noticed that you are doing a terrific job getting partially out, and getting the buzz going.  That's great!

That shows that you are able to shift focus from the physical to the non-physical pretty well.  And focus on or get in touch with the buzz energy.

Maybe you know this, but if not you might want to give it try...
next time you get the buzz going...

1.  See if you can keep it going for as long as possible.  One way to do this (found in Monroe's 1st book) is to imagine there's another chakra or energy center further past the crown chakra at the top of your head.  Just reach in that direction (along the body's axis) and reach for a source of the energy... if this works, what happens is you feel the energy kick in and start vibrating more and faster.  If it happens, use will power to make it buzz faster, and then more will power to pull the buzzing down through your head, then your chest and on down to your feet...and then back up if you can.

Why do all this?  What's the theory behind it?

Well the theory is that one of the reasons you can get partially out. like you head or feet, but not the rest... is that some parts of the two bodies (physical and astral) are 180 degrees out of phase with each other and can thus separate easily, while other parts are not.  The buzzing (as the theory goes) is you feeling the two bodies shifting out of phase with each other...which is a good thing if you want out of body. 

So doing the buzz control and direct exercise can make sure the entire astral/emotional body (the one you travel around in) gets vibrated and shifted far enough out of phase (or out of sync. you might say) with the physical to allow easier separation.

Make sense?

By the way... do you see vivid imagery easily?  If ya do, I know a great technique...

Hope this helps.

Lucky

P.S.  If this stuff rings your bell and you try it, let me know how it goes.  If not, hey there's a ga-jillion other things you can do.  And it won't be long either, cause from the sound of your post you are almost there!  So keep up the good work!

P.P.S.  And yeah, that rope technique can be a pain huh!

[dalearner]

Lucky, you are a champion mate. LOL, the rope technique?? I decided to cut the rope up and throw it in the bin. It's about as useless to me as petrol with no spark. I think what you have given me there should most probably help get me "over the hump", there is some really good stuff that I had not thought of so THANKS a heap.

About 5 days ago I was reading as many posts as I could on this website to get as many answers and knowledge as I could so I could get it happening as quickly as possible. From what I have read, I think I am doing ok....but those people who get projection on first go absolutely annoy the crap out of me LOL.

In regards to your comment about the astral and physical body getting out of sync, yes I understand what you are saying, it feels a little bit like when you put two repelling ends of a magnet together and they tend to start pushing each other away because the magnetic fields are out of sync (which is sort of what the vibrations actually feel like when I have experienced them).

I have been practicing to project about 2 - 3 times per day/night, as I have read that practice seems to be a major key. I noticed while doing a couple of times that I felt exhausted trying to project, so I did a search through the posts for answers and found that my chakras might not be charged.....I thought "what the heck is a chakra??!!" So I read up on it and now know what and where they are and what each ones functions is, so I have been doing some chakra techniques the last few days to raise the energy, as it makes a big difference I noticed - even physically, I used to need 10hrs sleep, since I started practicing I am lucky to get 6 hrs sleep and I feel about 5 times brighter than when I was sleeping longer hrs.

Also to answer your question, yes mate I am mostly a visual personality so anything visual usually gives me a good kickstart. If you could share that visual tecnique with me that would be great.

P.S - Also I have one other question. My leg was out, and my left foot was having trouble getting out and my leg started twitching alot and it was like my astral foot was trying to shake free - It felt like my astral foot was handcuffed to my physical foot, it was loose but I couldn't get it totally free - do you have any Idea what that sensation was all about - Mind you I noticed that was before I spent time working on my chakras - since then I havent had any troubles with that foot. 

I'll wait to hear from you.

You're A champ.

Cheers
Justin

[Lucky]

Morning Justin,

MAGNETIC FIELDS and the STUCK FOOT Thing:

Yes there's a field around the body, or it's the field energy of the second body... and I have noticed a very definite magnetic field type phenomena when trying to pull away from the physical body (on some occasions at least).  The further you get from the physical body, the weaker the field and the pull.

This magnetic pull apparently can have a localized affect like on a foot or ankle.  And like how a magnet is difficult to separate from the refrigerator door when it is in complete contact... so it it is with a body part (unless you can change the polarity i.e get the second body out of phase with the physical entirely.)

Also there are minor chakras at ankles and feet.  Just speculating here but if the foot thing were to come up again, maybe a little chakra energizing on it specifically would help.

But generally speaking you seem to be moving right along with this whole thing rather quickly.

It took me three weeks using one technique every night, plus lots of intention and affirmations (100 times written) and various little tricks before I got my first partial oobe. 

But before that intensive work I had been wanting to get out of body for about 14 years and had done quite a few things that were supposed to help me get there but in fact they turned out to be good set ups, but with out any of the pay-offs.  (Long story - but all that "set-up" stuff finally paid off in the end.)

The rope technique and others, like the "elevator" and the "log-rolling over" sort of deal... these techniques (I'm thinking), are most effective when the physical body is totally asleep, you are totally awake and it's after the buzz... or it's when you wake up (spiritually) after you and the body both have fallen asleep.  Often, you -not the body though- wakes up just a few minutes after you and your body have fallen into a sleep state. 

When it happens this way, there's a chance you won't feel the vibs or the buzz, but you will be in good shape to try one of those rope or elevator type deals.

Thing is, those types of techniques appear to be more for the person who doesn't know how to move away from the body, than for the person who's stuck in the body.  Kinda like a person in stuck in the middle of the pool who can't swim.  They're not stuck, they just don't know who to get out.  A rope would help.  But if they have their foot tied to a rock at the bottom of the pool, they don't need the rope trick, they need something that's going to help them detach from the rock (or the body as it were).  Big difference.

Well done on all the studying you are doing.  That's excellent.  Da leaner - that fits (is that why you picked it, or is your name something David A. Learner or something? 

Just curious.

Oh it could be Dale Aner, just noticed that.   

One of the reasons I'm "Lucky" is cause lots of my oobes have pretty girls in them... that love me (really).  But probably the real reason is cause I feel lucky having had so many educational type, long duration oobes in "far away" places.

Anyway, where were we?

The single most effective thing I did to get my oobe ability up to speed was to use the first 3 or 4 tapes in the first series from the Monroe Institute.  "Wave 1" I think they called the series.  (I got the set in 1987 - and still have it).  It's the relaxation thing, (brain hemispherical-synchronization thing and the "toning" thing (ooohs and ahs), and the breathing thing that you learn and use that really gets thing moving along as far actually getting out goes.  (All really simple stuff, actually... you've probably heard of this stuff yes?  Anyway, it worked for me really well.  But I have tried lots of stuff.  Even bought some expensive Nova Dreamer Glasses and stuff - didn't work for diddly - but I think that was just me - wearing the glasses knowing the lights were going to flash once i went into REM made it difficult to impossible for me to even fall asleep in the first place.)

It felt like my astral foot was handcuffed to my physical foot

If that's what it felt like, perhaps it was (in a sense).

There's a lot of wild and crazy stuff going on just across the veil, and not everyone (on this plane or on other planes) are really keen on you learning how to get out of body at will. 

So someone could be fooling around with you, and attempting to "cuff you" to your body.  This isn't necessarily likely.  But it's possible. 

A fix on something like this is simple. (The only hard part - if this was really going on is the part about diagnosing the "problem" in the first place.) 

Anyway the fix on something like this (handling mischievous entities) would simply be to imagine the "cuffs" holding your astral body to the physical, and imagine (while in a relaxed, meditative state) picking the lock, or if it's an electronic hi tech lock, imagine breaking the circuit or some such deal.

Non-physical entities can fool around with us (and do) but we, innately are very powerful as our imagination literally creates worlds "over there".

So all we have to do (if entities are fooling with us - and I am not really saying that's what's going on with you, I'm just yapping here) ... All we have to do, in most cases is focus on them, spot what they are doing (meaning spot their intention toward you) and they are OUTTA HERE!

They don't hold up well to scrutiny from the likes of us.


You're visual, great.

Let me ask yo a few questions about your visualization ability.  Hope you don't mind.  (if I'm too nosey, just ignore 'em.)

1.  When you lay down for oobe practice or for a nap or sleep at night...
Do you easily see vivid imagery, like just stuff just sort of start appearing?  like trees, or ceilings, or people's faces or anything?

2.  I guess what I'm asking is do visual images come to you that easily?

3.  When you consciously practice visualization how vivid are the images, and do you have much control over them?

4.  On a vividness scale from 0 - 10 how vivid are the images you when you are doing a visualization exercise?  (0 being can't see anything period and 10 being 3D Hi definition Photo realistic.)

I have coached a few people using the techniques and the better they could visualize, the better and faster the technique worked on them.  It's research and a work in progress you see.  It's what I love to do.

Now I don't know if any of these techniques will work for you, but I'll be glad to share them with you, and if they seem like they are worth a try, you can give 'em a go.  The better I understand your level of ability, the better I can present the material in a way that will be most workable for you.

It's because different techniques work with different levels and degrees of visualization ability, that I am asking such snoopy questions about your ability.

But just so you know, my own visualization ability is only around 2 or 3 on the above scale.  Not actually good enough for these techniques.  I can't use on myself!  I have used them with some of my very visual friends though with stellar oobe success.

About the TIREDNESS:
On several occasions I have come back from an oobe totally exhausted.
To the bone as it were.  Charging your chakras has helped you?  Great.  Tell me more.  I have never actually found a good solution for this myself.

Ok, that's about it.

Hope ya don't mind long posts... once I get started...look out!

Lucky

[dalearner]

Hi Mate,

Wow, good stuff. That is some really valuable info you've shared Lucky. I hear what you are saying about the magnetic field and the pulling away.

Moving along rather quickly you say?? I have never been more frustrated. I started getting a little bit doubtful in the last day or so, whether or not I could actually get out. But persistence prevails. Yes I am aware of the chakras and may have had to spend a little time working on it. I tend to get ticked off pretty quick though when things don't work as they should and it affects my ability to relax, so sometimes I just need to put things down and then come back to them later.

A couple of other people have said that I am moving rather quickly....the only thing I can think of that may help me move along a bit faster is I don't have any hang-ups on if the spiritual is real or not, because I've experienced it and have grown up with a spiritual influence (I am a Christian) but before I was, I was a druggo & a crim and when I decided to turn away from that style of living I noticed that I started to have alot of spiritual opposition - demonic presences in my room, sometimes wake me up etc and the feelings were sometimes overwhelmingly evil, so I knew I wasn't too popular anymore. While I was doing their bidding I don't think they had a problem, until I decided to change teams. So I tend to feel what goes on around me more than I see things.

Man you have no idea, I am just aching and itching on the inside to get out and I want to go and help in the bad areas (with an angel of course) where people need help, as I have read about.

I hear what you are saying about the rope deal and the log rolling. Here I am trying to pull a rope etc, but need to be out first. I hear you loud and clear.

And the name dalearner - yes mate I picked that name because I am always hungry to learn more and understand more about life etc. So I picked a name that would also keep me humble as I tend to get a bit cocky from time to time, so It's just a reminder to myself that "I AINT THE excrement" Like I used to think I was - which is what got me in the excrement in the first place LOL.

Mate honestly, I don't know why I have even started thinking about OBE's, just recently my business has been going well, life is good and I have the lifestyle I want, and then "BANG" - out of no-where I am feeling bored senseless with making money and I get a spritual hunger that just won't settle down and next thing I am watching you tube and start looking up OBE's and then I'm trying to do it. It's been a bit strange actually I don't really understand where this hunger has come from but I am determined to find out and part of finding the answers is to get out of my body and go find them.

About micheivious beings...hmm actually it was the first thought that came into my mind when it happened. What do you mean by not everyone is keen about getting out of my body at will?

In regards to your visual questions:

Visual when I close my eyes and then see faces or trees etc - Nothing, I don't see anything clearly like that.

However - In my imagination, it is crystal clear, I would say a 10 because sometimes my body jerks out of reaction so my brain must think its real.


In relation to chakras - here's a link to help with chakras

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3hy3P0W2BU

Chat soon champion

Cheers
Justin

[Lucky]

Hey, Dalearner:

That technique - if you're visual is really simply really.

When You close your eye's and get relaxed and all...

1. If you can start seeing vivid imagery rather easily what you do is simply reach for the imagery.  Sort of mentally reach out for it, as if to grab it and draw it near.

2.  Second step is to then withdraw from the image.  Sort of mentally draw back away from it.  Get the image to recede if possible.

The just repeat steps one and two over and over.

It's a reach and withdraw process that gives you more control over the images that you are creating subconsciously.

It also helps you stay focused on the none physical stuff.

If all goes well, what's likely to happen next is that other things will start appearing in context with the image you are working with.

Like it it's just a face, more of the body might start showing up.

After a bit what you can do (again this is for the people who are good with the vivid imagery stuff) what you can do is look down from the image, and look up.  From experience as I have coached people on this, what happens is that what starts out to be just a single image, turns into a full scale 3D environment, that can actually be interacted with... in other words, with a little work, there comes a consciousness shift and a person may find themselves in F2 (their own universe).

You asked me about this:
"What do you mean by not everyone is keen about getting out of my body at will?"

maybe that was a typo on my part cause what I meant was "not everyone is keen about getting you getting out of your body at will."

In other words other (non-physical) beings may not like you learning how to get out.  And what I mean by that is that there are all kinds out there with all kinds of intent.  And I was just speculating that maybe some were messing with you trying to 'cuff' you to your body.  (It's not a big deal they don't have a lot of power in most cases, but sometimes they like to willy with you.)  But the whole stuck ankle thing could've been any number of things.

Lucky 

[soulche]

your conversation is very interesting

I am in a similar spot as dalearner, I haven't actually felt an out of body anything(be it arm, leg, head)
though.
I can just get the vibes and start to feel stiff/numb and some slight rushing feelings now and then
it sort of feels like I'm looking within. some times it will peak intensely.

Not sure what to do from here, when i get into this state i just keep repeating: "now I am out of body"
visualization helps but only gets me so far...so far anyway-

I've only been doing it for a bout 5 days so thats pretty good in my book

Each night, though, it seems I get a little further and something new happens
Like last night after i fell asleep I woke up with the most intense vibrations yet.. startled me very badly since I woke up with it
it eventually wore off though.

All in time I guess



peace

che