The reality of negative entities??

[astromalt]

 Hope you are all well..

I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on a strange experience that we have been having lately -

My wife are I have been practicing AP for about a year now as well as trying to develop spiritually through daily meditation. We have two boys, aged 7 and 5 who are, for the most part, really happy, healthy kids. We are really lucky actually and have a very positive, happy home which we are grateful for every day.

Recently, my wife has been experiencing these regular dreams where there seems to be this entity of sorts, trying to pull her from the bed and move her around the room. She says it is a "creepy old woman"? I looked into this online and have read stories about "the old hag" and decided that it must be some sort of manifestation of her own fear but when we talked about it, she is adamant that she does not have any fear of AP and that any experience she has had until now has been lovely.

The bomb dropped last week when our kids both came through to us in the middle of the night saying that they had both had nightmares and when we spoke about it, they both said that a "scary lady" was trying to pull them out of their beds?

I have had similar experiences in the past (not lately) but it is not something i'm afraid of.

I could understand this if it was just my wife and I that were experiencing it, but I have no idea how my kids could be experiencing the same thing. Is it just a freakish coincidence?

Any thoughts would, as always, be most appreciated.

Thanks

[omcasey]

Hi astromalt,

My initial thought, if there truly is no fear on your wife's end, is to the let the old lady pull her out and ask her what she wants.

Being 'helped' out is not always easy for the central nervous system to get used to I'm helped out a lot.  Radiate as much pure love in the event as possible and often it is found that the energy was indeed something less than this and something broader was needed to throw the consciousness further out into a more expanded experience.


hope this helps, all the best to you and your family!

Casey

[astromalt]

Thankyou Casey, i'll have a chat with her and pass on the advice.

Any thoughts on why the kids are seeing/having the same dream??

Be well

[omcasey]

Looking in on what it has accomplished I would say to secure it more in your awareness. (make it more real)

[EscapeVelocity]

astromalt-

I agree with what Casey is telling you and I'll add these thoughts:

I have encountered this issue many times over the decades and although I may not fully understand the energetic how and why, I can confirm that Casey's advice is correct.

Even though I thought I had long ago dispelled any lingering fears, this type of negative entity would show up from time to time, in different forms, to challenge me. I think that, in the vast majority of cases, this 'entity' is what is defined by some as a thought-form that is unconsciously generated by the projector. Given enough emotional energy, this thought-form becomes an independent, semi-conscious entity, with a minimum of programming to operate within a very limited area. This limited area could naturally include where your kids are sleeping and it's programming is based on her/your desire for an exit.

Many, if not most of us, generate these thought-forms upon initially gaining etheric/astral awareness while still in our physical body such as while in Sleep Paralysis; thus the ubiquitousness of the Old Hag phenomenon around the world and in so many cultures.

It could be generated by your wife or even you...given experience and understanding, the effect can be minimized.

A second possibility is that this is a 'helper' or even a potential guide, trying to help your wife exit but your wife's subconscious is overlaying a fear-based template on the helper, thus giving it the image she gets...but then that doesn't really explain what's happening with the kids; I doubt a helper would be trying to pull them out.

So, in order to find out what you are really dealing with, like Casey suggested, your wife should allow herself to be pulled out or whatever is necessary to confront the entity. This requires a great deal of courage and fear control. Then she needs to simply ask why the entity is there and why it is doing what it is doing.

If the answer is coherent and involving some degree of complex reasoning then it may be a conscious entity and she can respond accordingly, commanding it to go away, if need be.

If there is no answer or if it is gibberish or cryptic, then it is likely a thought-form, actually an aspect of one of you. If so, then the best response is to take a BIG leap of faith and open your arms and with as much love and acceptance as possible, embrace the thought-form and invite it to merge back into your being; in simpler terms, give it a big hug.

That's always fun the first time!  

Always know that you are safe and protected.

EV

[Bluefirephoenix]

Soarin's approach is probably easier than the one I will suggest. Regardless of the origin of the entity the only thing giving it any power is the person or people who are acting as unintentional mediums. You need to withdrawl your attention from it and focus it on either positive attributes or positive beings. ( beings are easier) You focus must be steady regardless of what happens. Ask the positive being for help with the fear. The fear is what is feeding the shadow

deprived of fear or belief the entity will not be able to sustain a presence.

[Szaxx]

It may be a real entity, read reply 4.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/strange_feeling_toward_one_side_of_my_room-t36209.0.html

[Xanth]

I'm starting to wonder what "real" really means in regards to consciousness...

If everything is consciousness and everything that we experience is derived from that consciousness, then what exactly is the difference between an entity from "inside" compared to an entity "outside"?

[Szaxx]

Those labels again...
Self created thoughtforms or an event that occured in this physical world leaving a connection to the NP.
It's longer than 'real'. 
Subjectively of course.

[astromalt]

Thats some really good advice guys thanks for taking the time to share..

I'll be honest, i'm a novice at this! I've had a few cool lucid experiences but most of the time I try, I don't remain conscious. I've never had to deal with anything particularly fearful but realise that it probably will come hand in hand the more I achieve successful AP's.

Whats really quite amazing is the level of control, all you guys who do this often, must have over your own fears!! Thats quite an achievement and I take my hat off to you all.

We have tried to project together to see if we can confront whatever (if anything) may be lingering but have never managed it. Maybe deep down our reasons for developing AP differ slightly. I think I might fall into the category of "Spiritually aware adventure junkie".

I'll post back with an update and look forward to seeing what happens

Thanks again

[Xanth]

Those labels again...
Self created thoughtforms or an event that occured in this physical world leaving a connection to the NP.
It's longer than 'real'. 
Subjectively of course.

Well, I think that most (if not all) of the labels we have today are derived in comparison to our "physical" lives.  That's really the only way we CAN do it, because this reality is our base for any such comparisons to exist.  You can't compare something to something else if they're not experiences to be had.

So, here physically, we have our internal discussion, which people would call as happening "in" our minds/heads/brains/whatever... then we have our external discussions, which happen with what we identify as being other people.  We, as physical humans, extend this separation of "us" and "everyone/thing else" to everything we experience.  

Well, ultimately, you can't use that extension with anything OUTSIDE (metaphorically speaking) of this physical reality... and that extension even begins to fall apart when you begin to view this physical reality from a perspective of pure consciousness.

Consider all of this just me thinking outloud... LoL

[omcasey]

I like what Xanth is saying.


Whenever possible try coming at things from the inside out--  from the fundamental, OUT into multiple layers of detail.


Consciousness is creating it all.. Regardless of it being Consciousness Itself or particular dimension(s) of consciousness it is the same---


Thought-----thought form-----manifestation.


This is Creation. (visual/virtual reality)


Let it blow your mind.

[Xanth]

I like what Xanth is saying.


Whenever possible try coming at things from the inside out--  from the fundamental, OUT into multiple layers of detail.


Consciousness is creating it all.. Regardless of it being Consciousness Itself or particular dimension(s) of consciousness it is the same---


Thought-----thought form-----manifestation.


This is Creation. (visual/virtual reality)


Let it blow your mind.

Blowing my mind right now, in fact.  Actually, that's complete understatement as I'm currently sitting here in an "awe" moment thinking about the implications of it. 
It's one thing to intellectually know the concept of "we are one"... but to discover it for yourself is something else entirely.

[Szaxx]

The 'we are one' has overwhelming implications for most people who have only experienced the individuality of self in the material world. If you've been fortunate to experience this oneness with everything, any attempt to replicate its true feeling is near impossible without a base of reference.
The difficulty is similar to playing Mozart to an ant and asking it how it feels.
Deaf ears lol.
The nearest thing to knowing the basic feeling of just the concious you occurs in extreme stress situations. If you've fallen from a height and been 'out of it' from the physical side, the you within is awake in total blackness. No body or physical sensation exist for those moments. When the world reappears, you know it and the fuss from those around, complete with the pain etc take precedence and the pure conciousness is forgotten.
That is a relatively common experience but the oneness is far more difficult as it's far outside any physical world perception. The NDE being the most prominent I can think of.
It's the opposite end of the experiences we can have, away from negs as I've never had anything remotely negative during these oneness experiences.
Trying to fit in some perspective with the OP. If you take an imaginary line from oneness back to the physical world, it appears the negs are self generated through fear and belief systems. It's subjectively a concious construct from your database of physical worldly experiences.

[astromalt]

I don't know about you guys but one of my all time favourite things to do is to "gear up" and head off, just me and the dog, into the forests near where we live here in Scotland. There is a particular area, about 3 miles in, that for some reason, has always given me a great vibe! We'll make a fire, get comfy and chill out! There is no better time or place to contemplate life and its meaning than being alone in nature!

It is truly mind boggling sometimes, this whole spiritual path that we find ourselves on and sometimes the "not knowing" can feel painfully frustrating. I think that, human beings are hard wired to want to understand whats around us, where we come from, where we're going next, what we're capable of but ultimately, this physical experience cannot answer all these questions. If it is "the experience" we are here for, then what must be more important is the journey itself. Of all the members on this forum, how different are all our lives? Yet everyone of us is here, having their own adventure/experience because of a common belief that there is more to life and its meaning than we have been led to believe!

I'm thinking out loud now too!!

Back to reality.

Be well.

ps. Is there a way of attaching a photo to a reply post?

[omcasey]

Beautiful.   ---(I'm with you)

[omcasey]

I think to attach an image you just need to push the "image" button (just below the 'italic' button) and insert the link.

Give it a try.