Hey everyone,
It has been many months since I last posted on this forum. Many of you may recall me as the creator and destroyer of AstralSource.com
I have been practicing OBEs for over 8 years, after having an NDE. After 2 years of diligent practice, I had, maybe, half a dozen experiences. They blew my mind; the most awesome thing I have ever experienced. I then got a little complaisant, cocky actually, and felt I had mastered the technique. Just to let you let you know, my OBEs only happened while sleeping – something to keep in mind while reading my insights below...
Because I stopped practicing, I stopped having OBEs, and my daily life started to consume all of my energy. I returned to practice 2 years ago, on and off, with little success.
Recently I stumbled upon a copy of The Vehram System (vehram.com) stashed away in my backup hard drive. I studied it carefully and have new hope that OBEs are within my grasp again.
I've been working on some fresh interpretations and alternate methods of the Vehram System over the past week.
Before sleep, I reinforced that I would awake numerous times during the night/early morning hours, and it has worked 5 nights in a row. I think this has been successful due to my conviction that the basic concept behind the Vehram System is sound. My intention has powered my subconscious mind to obey my command. Only by studying the System was I able to generate the enthusiasm to produce results. The System is designed that way, and I highly recommend downloading it.
Before sleep last night, while in bed, I picked a position that kept me awake longer, into the hypnogogic stage - better than any other method so far! This is not in the System but something I came across on my own. I'm sure I'm not the first one to discover it. I lay half on my side, half on my back. Not quite cuddled up in the fetal position but halfway relaxed on my side. I didn't stay fully awake, like when lying on my back, or crashed into sleep, like when I'm curled up on my side. I felt that consciousness lasted longer than usual, being more aware of the hypnogogic. I am quite confident that I will be able to select a perfectly balanced body position for prolonging the hypnogogic stage in time.
Following the System, at the right time, when I breathed out, I would relax my body - when I breathed in, I would imagine drawing energy from the Vehram Array. The Vehram System .pdf download is only ten bucks and well worth it. I have intentionally not given the system away here because the creator deserved the credit and business. The 34 pages of knowledge is tantamount to breakthrough OBE technology!
I will be practicing this new method for the next several weeks and update this post.
I would very much like to discuss the system in detail, via PM, with others who have studied the ebook.
In conclusion, I think approaching an OBE from the hypnogogic window of 3 - 10 seconds, numerous times a night, is so incredibly exciting. Finally, the Zone has been mapped! Gone, for me, are the endless hours of pre-sleep practice sessions, week after week, month after month, year after year!
Don
Welcome back OBEvideoguy,
I just bought the book after reading your post here. I will read it over the next few days and let you know what I think. I will be more than happy to discuss results via PM.
Thanks for this information.
Best Regards
David
Very much glad you've made it back OBEvideoguy.
Its always good to have more incite, and I will be checking out The Vehram System.
I do have a question for you. If your waking up several time during the night, how do you get any sleep? Do you not feel tired and sleepy all day long?
I finished reading the book at approximately 8:30 PM and then went to bed around 9:30 PM. I fell asleep at 10:30 PM while running the mantra "I will wake up at 3:00 AM" through my until I fell asleep.
Sure enough I woke at 1:15 AM which is my normal 3:15 AM because normally go to sleep around 12 AM. I began the breathing technique outlined in the book and created the sensation of getting heavy as described. I continued this for about a minute and then I clearly remember passing into the hypnagogic state. My body got heavy and I felt my body lose the ability to move and I was left in a totally paralyzed state
While laying in blackness I did exactly what the book suggests. I willed energy from the Vehram array and directed that energy into my body and within less then a second very strong vibrations consumed me.
I was not able to exit at first so I relaxed and then rolled out to the left side and found myself standing next to my bed. Everything was all distorted at first so I asked for total awareness and clarity and almost instantly I was seeing the room and the house EXACTLY how it is in waking life.
I made a conscious effort to stay as close to the physical world as possible this time and then I walked down stairs, through the closed front door and outside. I continued walking until I was out in the street in front of my house. I turned and looked northeast towards downtown Austin which is 6 miles away and hidden behind trees. I commanded my vision to zoom in on the skyline and instantly I could see the buildings with crystal clarity. I was completely amazed by this new ability and was very excited. I looked down at the street and I could see every detail of the pavement.
Next I turned and faced southwest because I remembered once again that I told my friend that I would visit him next time I was out of body for validation purposes. I started imagining his face and for some reason I felt a rushing and could not stay focused. I woke up and it was 1:20 AM. I went down stairs and wrote up a skeleton version of this and then went back to bed to try again. I could not go back to sleep after the experience.
This new found system seems to work very well and I really don't know what to think about it yet. I would like to do some validations and then report back my findings.
Yes please try and work on some validations as you are able to view your physical surroundings very exact.
Oh, I believe that the astral world is very real, in fact I think it's much more real than waking life. The validations will be with the energy system itself. For example I would like to reach out and feel the orbs power flow through me.
Quote from: phxsun on March 19, 2009, 09:05:34
If your waking up several time during the night, how do you get any sleep? Do you not feel tired and sleepy all day long?
As it is, without using the System, I wake up a couple of times each night to answer nature's call. Waking up 5 - 10 times a night is no problem really, as the time to practice getting into the hypnogogic state takes less than 15 seconds. No signs of sleep deprivation so far.
Don
So what is the fundamentals that make this Verham system please. How is it different to other techniques? ty.
You Should read the book, but the fundamental difference is that the astral body and any other vehicle that your consciousness creates is created by 6 energy orbs that surround you. These orbs bind your body to your soul and your soul to other bodies such as the astral body.
Plus I found that the technique works much better than any that I have tried. I suggest spending 10 bucks and buying the book.
Quote from: OBEvideoguy on March 19, 2009, 13:04:42
I wake up a couple of times each night to answer nature's call.
Don
What's the reason behind the above. Nocturia 2-3+ times a night. Are you on medication that would cause this otherwise if you didn't drink heaps of water/ETOH close to sleep i would be getting investigations done as to why nocturia more than 1x/night?
Is the Vehram System only useful for achieving OBE or can you incorporate it into other methods ie. Meditation etc
Actually, yes, I am on medication where drinking lots of water is necessary, so yes, I do go to the bathroom often throughout the day and at night too.
Don
Hi
Have you read anything about the chakras or the "The Lattice"? Take a look at the video below, I think that the guy who discovered this Vehram system may be awakening to something others are awakening to as well.
http://emfworldwidestore.com/emfworldwide/en/media-gallery/ucl-3d-animation?phpLang=en
Feel free to PM any time.
Best regards
David
I just checked out the link - Awesome! Almost identical energy array.
I emailed Vessen Hopkins, the creator of the Vehram Energy System, gave him the link, and invited him to join this thread on Astral Pulse. We shall see.
Don
Good idea OBEvideoguy.
It's funny you mention this because my friend Matt and I already reached out to him this morning about this very thing and here was Vessen's response.
QuoteFrom: Vessen Hopkins <vessen@vehram.com>
Date: Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Subject: EMF and the Vehram Energy System
To: reikimatt@undisclosed.com
Thank you so much for taking the time to share information about EMF.
There would appear to be striking similarities in the Vehram Array and EMF, particularly in the lateral points located to the left and right, front and back of the body. However, it is important to note that the 7th chakra is too close to the body to be a part of this array as is the foot chakra. Also, Chakras are generally considered to be centers within the body (most are) within which to focus energy and through which to channel the body's spiritual energy. They are not power sources in the sense that they generate the kind of energy that is being generated by the Vehram Array. (Direct contact between the ethereal body and the Vehram Array causes massive shock to the ethereal body and these centers must therefore remain separate from the body, hence the Vehram Array's external location)
It would appear that we may be looking at two different poles of a spiritual magnet, if you will. I have come to the conclusion over many years of practice and research into this energy system, that the Vehram Array is the source , or well-spring, of the energy that we in turn utilize through the chakras. At the very least you have spurred my interest in EMF phenomenon and I will have to look deeper into this.
Of particular interest was the EMF lines and how they encompass the region outside the body, intersecting in points above the head and below the feet, as well as creating the intersecting crosses with branches to the front, left, back, and right. My question would be, how are these lines established and are you able to draw energy from ALL of these external locations? Is that energy drawn in along the paths indicated by the intersecting cross illustration?
Something to consider: might it be possible that the foot chakra and the crown chakra are not chakras, but rather Vehram orbs – sources of the energy – while the chakras inside the body are true chakras, centers where the energy may be concentrated or focused, where it is then able to have corresponding affects on the individual spiritual centers of the body?
What an incredible facet of this phenomenon it would be if you were able to channel the amount of energy that is emanating from these individual power centers. It is important to note that each of the Vehram Array's power centers generate what I call an "ethereal-static discharge" upon contact with the ethereal body. Direct contact results in an immediate jolt of such tremendous force that one cannot maintain or sustain the flow of energy for more than a split second. The kind of power that emanates from just one of these orbs is equivalent, on an ethereal level, to the kind of power running through a 220-volt electric socket on the physical level. You would experience about the same level shock in either case.
The chakras inside the body do not have the effect of causing severe ethereal-static shock by virtue of simply coming into contact with the ethereal body, and for this reason, clear distinctions must be drawn, but these distinctions only serve to help us better understand the nature of what we are dealing with.
You asked specifically if I would include information regarding EMF in the guide to help spur progress toward serious research. I am always happy to help garner attention to worthy research endeavors and I would be more than happy to include information on this subject. I will explore this in greater detail, as I do not write about topics that I have no actual experience to draw from. It would appear, however, these topics may already be inextricably linked!
Thanks again for sharing this information. May you find your heart's desires at every turn in life.
Sincerely,
Vessen Hopkins
Author, "Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Energy System"
Here is Vesson's last response about the chakras and how the Vehram system may fit into the studies of such.
I think that further discussion should go to PM.
QuoteI have thought about the issues and questions you raised and it occurs to me that we are dealing with a very peculiar set of phenomenon, here. The chakras do in fact have differing vibrational qualities (the Vehram centers do not) and I believe represent the focal points through which we may channel Vehram energy. Living in the physical universe, we are of course bound by the laws of physics, particularly the second law of thermodynamics which governs the conservation of energy. While it may be argued that the ethereal is not physical, I would argue that the physical is ethereal. What I mean by this is that the physical world is an extension of the ethereal.
The manner in which we are locked into the physical body is an issue that has to be considered here. We are independent of the bodies we inhabit. For example, your consciousness is not dependent on the body, ethereal or physical, for its own existence. So the ethereal body is really a necessary manifestation that occurs as a result of the integration of consciousness into the physical body. Through the ethereal we bind to the physical. The ethereal is not consciousness, the ethereal body is not the soul and so is not, in and of itself, "spiritual."
The ethereal most probably therefore must be at least moderately compatible with the existing laws assigned to the physical universe. Conservation of energy is one of the laws of physics that has never been broken, and so I believe that energy comes from somewhere specific (in the physical world.) The power that courses through our body, through the chakras must come from somewhere. It, too, has a source. The Vehram Array could well be the actual source of so-called "ethereal energies," while the chakras are the power centers where this energy is channeled and focused for the purpose of opening and expanding conscious awareness, healing, etc.
Over the years of exploration into the Vehram Array, I have had many experiences where I have been able to examine the energy that comes from each of the points. It is the same in each of the power centers. In all of my experience, the Vehram Array has been used for the purpose of fueling the vibrational surge. However, it can be channeled through the body to obtain different results, exciting the physical organs. Therein lies the key to how these systems may be related.
If the Chakras are a system through which energy is channeled, the Vehram Array may be a source of the energy being channeled. The spacing of the chakras above the head including the 9th through the 12th are of considerable interest and it is also of interest to note that the author on the website link made a distinction between the purpose of these higher level chakras and the lover level 0 through 8th. Normally these chakras are not active and were only recently discovered. While new discoveries are coming to light, we must be careful to not dismiss something simply because we do not understand it, so I do not doubt that these exist.
It occurs to me that expanding the Vehram Array, outward, literally pushing the centers away from the body, might serve to energize these higher level chakras.
On the other hand, while it may appear on the surface that these chakras would interfere with the Vehram System's configuration, it is not necessary that these energies even exist on the same dimensional level. Scientists currently believe the physical universe consists of 11 different dimensions. One might could argue that our consciousness is shifting into a slightly alternate dimension when we enter a state of ethereal, and it is quite feasible to also suggest that these systems could interact across multiple dimensions. So we are essentially left needing further research to study how these systems may be linked and/or interact.
I am much more inclusive in my way of thinking than exclusive or dismissive. I have every confidence that however these phenomenon manifest, they are not at contradictory odds with one another. We must simply understand how they relate.
To address some of your questions specifically. Each of the orbs are always the same size as all the others, although they may collectively change size. As the orbs expand, the radiation field around these orbs may expand to engulf the body. This results in the onset of the vibrational surge, if the mind and body are in a state of hypnagogia.
In my own direct research, the intensity of the power emanating from these points have always felt uniform in nature. If for instance the vibrations were barely present, then they would be that way throughout the body (this refers only to cases in which the onset of the vibrational surge occurred automatically upon entry into the hypnagogic-state, suggesting that the radiance was barely engulfing the body, but doing so relatively evenly from all directions.) If they were there of a strong quality, you will feel them throughout your body evenly. You can draw from each one or all of the orbs and you feel the same amount and kind of energy entering your body from all locations. It is neither weaker nor of a differing vibrational quality regardless of where it was coming from. It is interesting to note that the system does seem to operate as a collective, suggesting a universal driving mechanism governing its level of power.
I believe where we must draw distinctions between these systems, the EMF and the Vehram Array, is in the unique purposes of these systems, the quality, nature, purpose of the vibrational energy(s) associated with them, and so I would have to make a clear distinction between 6 power centers generating the "vibrational surge," used to separate consciousness from the body, and the system of focal point/channels through which we may achieve completely alternate functions relating to reiki energy work within the system of chakras.
While, it is also possible to project consciousness through the charged chakras, this would still require the vital release energy to be present either way. Ultimately, I would have to conclude that these systems are separate but no more so than the ethereal body is separate from the physical. They both work in tandem with one another and are complimentary. I lean toward the idea that the Vehram System is the source of ethereal power which fuels the charging of the chakras and what we are seeing is the north and south pole of a magnet, so to speak. The Vehram Array serves as the power source while the EMF may hold the true potential for this power beyond the out-of-body experience.
It is certainly a very interesting subject matter and I appreciate you bringing this to my attention. It helps me understand answers to questions I have long held in terms of how this system may be governed.
First, I just want to say thank you to everyone for giving this very important metaphysical breakthrough an open public forum for discussion, and also a special thanks to OBEvideoguy for the invite here to share in the exchange of ideas.
The Vehram System serves as the fundamental release power to enable consciousness to break the ties that bind us within the human body. Externally configured at key points outside the body, the Vehram Array comprises six ethereal power centers. Each center is composed of a central orb approximately the size of a basketball, engulfed in a radiant field of energy extending up to several feet in all directions from its surface.
The field of ethereal radiation surrounding the individual power centers may occassionally expand to engulf the human body and in such cases results in the automatic onset of the vibrational surge. These natural cycles are known in the literature, however their underlying cause is only now becoming apparent in light of research into this external array.
The vibrational surge represents the formation of a viable ethereal vehicle consciousness may utilize to achieve separation. It is possible to achieve separation without this energy present as many people do so from dream-states and through alternative projection methods such as in astral ejection. However, there are still governing factors at the heart of any successful separation, and what the Vehram array does is enable us to understand at least some of the fundamental principles that allow consciousness to separate from the physical body, enough so that we can state that there is a fundamental approach that will, if conducted correctly, result in success each and every time.
There is a clear cause and effect relationship between being in the hypnagogic-state and what this energy does when it comes in contact with the ethereal body. The basic effect is to provide a charge that neutralizes the ethereal bonds that hold the ethereal body within the physical. The practitioner feels no resistance to separation wherever this energy is present within the ethereal body. On the other hand, voluntary separation becomes difficult, nearly impossible without this energy present.
Also of particular interest, scientifically, is the unique behavior and properties of the energy centers themselves. The field of radiation surrounding each orb, along with the jolt that occurs when contact is made between the central core and the ethereal body, are two independently identifiable properties that are of a non-subjective nature. These properties will exhibit themselves regardless of what the practitioner believes, knows, or thinks. Also, of course, is the exact layout and configuration of these energy centers, all of which are outside the physical body, proving that we must have the ability to reach beyond the physical body in order to physically interact with this system.
Because there are scientific principles that govern the behavior of all known forms of energy, we must ask whether the behavior of the Vehram Array may constitute a new set of scientific principles. It would in fact appear to abide by at least some known laws of physics in terms of how energy emanates from a specific source - stronger closer to the source, weaker the further away. The jolt is very similar to an electric shock in that the individual is subjected to an extremely powerful vibrational current of energy that enters from the source, travels through the conduit of the ethereal body and disperses throughout to regain equilibrium.
This phenomenon is testable under scientific laboratory conditions and should serve as a starting point for those in the field to begin understanding the scientific principles that govern consciousness' ability to exist separately from physical. Through this work we will begin to more fully understand how we are integrated in the body, but at the very least, we can now see that we are indeed separate.
All the information anyone may need to explore the Vehram Array is posted on the site, so please take the time to explore this incredible breakthrough and share your experiences with others. Thank you to everyone for taking the time to be a part of this!
Regards,
Vessen Hopkins
Author, "Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Energy System"
Hi Vessen,
Welcome to the forum and I must admit that I totally concur with ignoring teachers in high school. I was kicked out of physics and computer programming class on more than one occasion when I questioned the teachings and challenged the teacher's reality with nothing more than pure logic.
Your observations seem to fill in many gaps which include where the "vibrations" come from and then how to induce them at will.
Although my belief is that the astral travel does indeed exist and that we are more than just a physical body, some people need scientific validation to accept such a thing and then incorporate it into their belief system. This in no way means that I think the scientific research is not important. I think that a scientific approach will lead to a better understanding of how astral projection works and what else may be possible that we are surely missing. This understanding will give us greater control and will speed up the evolution of humans.
I will begin testing your observations each time I am out of body and then I will write down my findings. I think that together we can bring this to the next level.
Thanks again for this information.
Best regards
David
Hi Vessen,
I want to thank you so much for the detailed email you sent; helping me with getting into the hypnogogic stage. I am so excited about the possibilities. I've waited 8 years for this! I am going to share it here for the readers of this forum because I think it is so incredibly valuable:
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What I try to do, and I feel like I have good success with this, is when I focus on my body and my breathing, I am being actively mentally engaged in what is going on, and I know we touched a little on this, already, but just to expand a little. What you succumbed to last night was the "tug." It can be strong, but it only lasts for the split second it takes for your body to cross the threshold. You have to be prepared for it. There is no way around the natural physiological tug your brain is being subjected to. It's caused by the release of melatonin and a shift in brainwave frequency. With practice and familiarity, the transition gets easier. I feel very little tug because I can so acutely control the process, but I have done it many times, as well.
What you want to be attempting to do, as you cross the threshold of hypnagogia, is "play an active part mentally" for that split second. Hold on to the present moment, along with the knowledge that you are aware of everything that is going on, you feel your body going to sleep. If you get passive during this critical moment and are not focused specifically on being in control, your mind forgets what is going on and you fall asleep.
By maintaining an active mental role, you also generate alpha and high-level beta brain-wave frequencies that are characteristic of EEG scans taken from test subjects under hypnagogic-induction.
If we understand that the fight is against the brain slowing down too much (i.e. the mind wants to fall asleep,) then we understand that the best way to combat that is to inject a little lucidity. Lucidity being awareness, you simply want to remain aware of what is happening.
You do this by asking yourself "What is going on?" What is my body doing? Where am I? What time is it? What position is my body lying in? When you are this mentally engaged in what is going on, while also simply allowing your body to physically relax, the end result is that the body goes to sleep and the mind stays engaged and lucid.
Now, there is also the challenge of making the body go to sleep. This is where the breathing technique overcomes your obstacle. First remember that you are controlling what is going on. The whole purpose of the breathing technique is so that you can actively control your body's level of relaxation, so that you can actively participate and be engaged in the process and because each time you exhale your breath, your body will slide closer to hypnagogia. It does this because of specific physiological principles and it may even slip across on the first exhale, though not likely. If you will take a moment between breaths, only after you exhale, (try this right now, while you are awake and see how relaxing it is) wait just a brief moment before breathing in and during this moment allow yourself to relax deeply. So breath in, breath out, wait a second, breath in, breath out, wait a second. During this "second", this is the moment when your body will go to sleep.
When your body is going to sleep, you will feel that "tug," again. Just focus on your body, focus on being aware of it going to sleep, continue to relax physically. You will see that it works like magic!
Entering Hypnagogia - Steps in "1,2,3"
After you wake up:
1) relax your body
2) focus on controlled breathing technique
3) As your body crosses threshold, maintain awareness by actively focusing on your body relaxing and going to sleep
Once you have reached the hypnagogic state, give a split second for your body to relax, then pull in the vibrations from the Vehram Array and lift out of your body.
Now, unfortunately, any movement of the physical body, limbs, etc., will push you away from the hypnagogic-state. However, because the lungs are semi-autonomous organs, that also happen to be our source for oxygen delivery to the bloodstream, they can carry this very critical function of being used for the purpose of actively forcing the transition into hypnagogia. During the exhale of breath, the body does not have as high a level of nervous activity as when you are breathing in. The transition never occurs on an in breath. When you are breathing out, and you wait for that second at the bottom of the breath, your body is starved of oxygen, just a bit, just enough to shut down your nervous system! BAM! Your body goes to sleep! Hehe...
Good luck tonight!
Vessen Hopkins
Author, "Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Energy System"
http://www.vehram.com
OBEvideoguy and Vessen,
Thank you for sharing this! This is much more detailed than what's in the book. I will refine my technique tonight and pay very close attention to the pause in breathing after the exhale.
Best Regards
David
Hi David,
I worked with the breathing method recommended by Vessen and had interesting results last night. Because I had to wake up early in the morning, I limited my attempts to only one (after a bathroom break, around 3am). I went back to bed and curled up on my side. Usually I fall asleep within 2 seconds, literally. This time, however, I focused intently on the breathing, in and out. There was one moment, about 5 seconds into it, where I almost felt my mind slip into sleep, but caught myself and focused on the breathing again. But soon after that, maybe a couple of seconds later, I was out.
These results give me great hope that I will be able to watch my body fall asleep while maintaining consciousness. I don't have to get up so early tomorrow morning so will take several stabs at it during sleep tonight.
All day today I was so excited about the possibilities with this System. I know I have to master getting into the hypnogogic before working with the Vehram Array, but one step at a time...
Don
Hi OBEvideoguy,
You will do great and the beauty is that it will only get easier and easier and become second nature.
I tried again last night as well but the cat left it's hair in my bed and I was itching too much to keep focused on anything and my 3 year old daughter crawled into bed with us. :)
I will try again tonight and I will see results if all goes well.
Best Regards
David
This is an interesting topic:
before i post please know that:
"i am not a Christian and practice no form of religion" but i believe that Jesus was a man that did walk in this realm to teach us things & still is - probably the spiritual figures of other cultures/philosophies were around also - just using Jesus here cause i FEEL it. I believe he used a gateway to cross over into higher realms....
I felt something a few yrs back and about 3 weeks or so ago i was reminded of it again. I will describe my experience of this energy like this...
It centres in the heart - beams down through the legs & out past the feet - energy here travels mainly downward from the heart.
It also comes from the heart and extends out my arm just below my medial deltoid if my arms are by my side & if I extend my arms out (like Jesus did on the cross :?) - The energy travels outward through my arms/hands. I believe it could be the same Energy channeled through the hands by some hands on healers...
the energy also extends upward from the "centre" - (heart chakra) - out of the crown Chakra & also travels in downward through the Crown chakra - this area seems to have the most 2 directional flow.... It obviously extends forward & back through the Heart Chakra - anterior side - energy mostly forward. posterior heart chakra - energy mostly received in through the back (possibly past).. ... almost posted this experience on my blog lately but never...
I believe "the way" - Jesus quote... is through following this energy - which requires becoming more at one with Love, openness & self..
Just a few thoughts :)
This Vehram System seems to be related to the same energy that i have been noticing lately. - haven't read the book yet to know though
Peace,
Newmethod
Hey everyone,
Just wanted to update those following this thread, on my progress with the Vehram Energy System (I am now going to call it: VES for short).
Due to an intense desire to practice VES, I am waking up more than 5 times a night now, with no signs of sleep deprivation. That gives me multiple opportunities to practice getting into the hypnogogic, the prerequisite to working with the Vehram Array. My subconscious mind is now totally primed, and I think the reason for this is the immense amount of excitement and confidence I feel that this System has all the makings of a revolutionarily discovery in the mechanics of OBE induction. In motivational terms, it's called Intention.
If you've been following this topic, you'll notice a great deal of emphasis on the breathing method, while falling back to sleep. Although I have only been working with VES for about a week, I can honestly say that I have been able to stretch my ability to stay conscious while falling back to sleep. I know that all is required to stretch this to the threshold is practice. Each extra conscious breath I can take, as my body falls asleep, is progress.
I am a professional magician by trade and the concept of practice has been part of my language since childhood. The two rules I grew up on as I worked my craft were:
1. A real magician never reveals the secret.
2. Practice, practice, practice.
Having worked with the fundamentals of OBE induction for 8 years now, I am confident that VES is conceptually sound. It makes absolute sense. And I know that the first major step, getting into the hypnogogic, simply takes practice. Whether this will take weeks or months, I don't care - success is inevitable. I do feel that VES is the fast-track to having conscious OBEs at will, and I am determined to master it!
If you want to take a peak at my life as a motivational speaker / professional magician, check out www.Forging-Ahead.com (http://www.forging-ahead.com)
Don
Okay folks,
I'm quite confident that the initial stage of VES, intention to wake up during the night, is working for me. I awoke over 15 times last night. I stayed awake for less than 10 seconds, 90% of the time, before I fell back asleep. I feel well rested today - NO signs of sleep deprivation, and I've been waking up numerous times for several nights in a row.
On my bedside table is an RCA Digital Voice Recorder and a digital clock. Apart from missing to note the clock a few times, I was pretty good at saying the time out loud into my voice recorder. I made it a habit to voice my plans before going back to sleep. Because a couple of nights ago I fell asleep very quickly, lying on my side, I tried to lie on my back the majority of the time last night. Still, focusing on my breathing was not a strong enough exercise to keep my mind awake as my body fell asleep.
I just read the post "Focusing on my breathing wakes me up completely" and Stookie had some awesome advice - try "noticing" instead. I posted my reply under that topic if you want to check it out - it's an awesome idea and I'm excited about trying it.
So here's my sleep log for last night. I did not want to bore anyone with the details of my dreams and since waking up repeatedly during sleep is my goal, there's no point sharing my dreams in this post:
- 11:02pm - Bedtime
- 11:42pm - Still awake, new bedtime, trying to stay awake and focus on my breathing, conscious attention.
- 2:41am - awoke - bathroom, new attempt, lying on back.
- 3:47am - awoke - bathroom, dream recalled.
- 3:50am - awoke, moved onto back, head slightly tilted to the side.
- 4:05am - awoke - dream recalled - on my back again for next attempt.
- 4:18am - awoke - dream recalled - back to sleep.
- no time noted - dream recalled.
- false awakening - thought the time was 8:50am - plus dream recalled.
- 5:20am - awoke - dream recalled.
- 5:31am - awoke - another attempt.
- 5:56am - awoke - detailed dream recalled - bathroom, then back to bed, concentrate on my breathing, lay on back.
- 6:08am - noted time again, staying on back, not quite to sleep, try on my side this time.
- 6:51am - awoke - wonderful dream...
- 7:08am - awoke - noted that I just fell asleep, giving it another go.
- 7:28am - awoke - two minutes before my alarm was to go off. Then realized that my alarm does not go off until 8:30am. An hour more of sleep! Intention to focus on my breathing as I went back to bed.
- no time noted - awoke - detailed dream recalled.
- no time noted - awoke - short dream recalled.
- 8:30am - awoke to alarm and got up.
I don't wake up as many times as you Don, but I am suffering from sleep deprivation. Certainly, as I describe in the thread that Marika has just started, because I focus on my breathing but nothing happens even though I do the exercice during a long time. I don't fall asleep and no hypnagogic imagery comes, so the final stage from VES can't be reached.
I'll also try the noticing state of mind...
Hey faxman,
I will also be working with the noticing, and will update this thread with any progress.
As far as practicing OBE, anytime it gets in the way of a healthy, regular sleep, it should be temporarily stopped. Maybe pick it up again on a night when you don't have to get up early, like a weekend. This OBE stuff should be fun and should NOT get in the way of sleeping soundly. I'm sure many OBEers on this site, beginner and advanced, would agree with me.
Don
I was able to have an out of body experience the first time I tried this technique. The Author also says to imagine yourself feeling heavy (which I did) and I watched my body transition into the hypnagogic state.
I would like to point out that focus on breathe is not required, you can focus on anything. I have had several successful OBEs now and each time I focus on whatever. The key is to key mind in the present by focusing on something.
My suggestion is that you alternate your focus between breath and feeling your body float or feel heavy. That's how I am always successful and it's actually mentioned and overlooked in the VEH system.
Best regards
David
Alternating the body feeling and the breathing is an excellent idea. Doing both at the same time may be the reason why I can't reach the hypnagogic state...too much to do in a half-sleep mode.
thanks for this suggestion.
hehe, it's is a lot to swallow when half out of it.
I notice that on some nights when I wake up around 3, my mind is somewhere else and I can't seem to get my mind centered on what my goal is, which is OBE. Perhaps some mental conditioning during the day?
I have noticed that thinking about it all day and repeating mantras sometimes help to keep the goal in your subconscious.
I am just happy to see people trying to learn this skill, to me this is a very exciting moment in history. You will succeed if you keep trying and I will see you all there.
Best Regards
David
Quote from: dbmathis on March 26, 2009, 18:20:17
I would like to point out that focus on breathe is not required, you can focus on anything. I have had several successful OBEs now and each time I focus on whatever. The key is to key mind in the present by focusing on something.
Best regards
David
Now this is something I'll give it a shot this weekend. Since focusing on my breathing gives me 'breathing problems' and I'll stay awake for a long itme with nothing but sleep deprivation, I'll be focusing on something else instead.
Here is my favorite version of focusing on something else than breathing.
I have a nice Feng Shui'd cubical at work with a nice window view of the Austin greenbelt. While I am falling asleep I visualize myself sitting in my cubical at work. I know most people would never do such a thing because the last thing they want to think about when trying to relax is think of work, but it's a place I am very familiar with and can visualize easily.
I remember I was doing this once and at first it was a blurry visualization and then after about 20 minutes the cubical actually became real, like I was really there and then I realized that I was really there, out of body. I was then able to float through the wall next to me and out into the lobby of the building. This abruptly ended and I came back to my body. This was one of my first OBEs and I don't think I actually documented it.
When you focus on something, make sure it's something you are very familiar with and really make yourself feel like you are there with no doubts.
I hope this helps some and keep up the good work and practice every chance you get. The key to success is practice.
Best regards
David
Thanks for the info OBEvideoguy! I purchased the eBook and I had mild success last night. Felt the vibrations but wasn't successful at separating, but, it's a start.
Getting vibrations is already a big success, especially for a first try.
my last night was a failure, I still couldn't go further the breathing stage. But I know it's just a matter of time !
Hi everyone,
Just wanted to provide clarification on the breathing technique. I actually like better the phrase "notice your breathing" over "focus on your breathing" because of the implied connotation that you want to make sure you do not wake up completely. A high level of awareness can stimulate the body and prevent you from easily entering the hypnagogic-state.
As mention in dbmathis's posts, it isn't necessary to do anything, except actively be aware of something. You can use any kind of visual imagery, etc. What you are really doing is focusing inwards, and to a small extent, letting go of the physical world around you. You simply want to maintain an active level of awareness of what is going on in your mind so that you are awake for the event.
Having said that, there is still a powerful capability provided to the practitioner, in the breathing technique, that is the true secret to controlling the transition, as opposed to being at its mercy.
The true power behind the breathing exercise is in the physiological principles governing the body's transition into the sleep state. By properly following the technique, you are able to control, and actually force the transition, and this is the reason it is such a critical part of the methodology provided in the guide.
Now, if you are too strongly "focusing" on your breathing, your high level of awareness, as mentioned, may well be counter-productive to slipping across the threshold of hypnagogia, so instead you should try to just notice what is about to happen. But, also keep in mind that the chemical state of the body is still relatively that of a sleeping body. You still have much of the same harmones present in the blood-stream and your nervous system will remain suppressed. It requires several minutes for the chemical nerve blockers to break down and the body to completely wake up. (Adrenaline can speed this process up considerably, which is why excitement about what is going on is highy counter-productive to success)
Rather, because of the body's chemical state, it requires just a moment of relaxation to transition into sleep. Utilizing the breathing technique enables you to maintain a relatively active role mentally (you are having to complete a mental task, or process,) thus, allowing you to retain lucidity across the transition into hypnagogic. The real key is, each time you breathe out, you are actually forcing the transition by limiting the nervous stimulation to the body that is normally caused by breathing in.
So, that was the technical explanation. Here is the explanation in a nutshell:
When you first wake up, remember that the transition into hypnagogic will always happen during an exhale. Take a slight pause between breaths to really "push" across the threshold. This is where you control it. Allow yourself to feel the weight and total relaxation of your body, and watch as your body slips into the sleep state. Takes three to five seconds, usually - 10 seconds at most.
Hope this added info helps. Thanks to all for continuing to share your experiences!
Vessen Hopkins
Author, "Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Energy System"
Hey Vessen,
Thanks so much for your detailed insight; you are offering excellent guidance and I appreciate it greatly.
My problem is not staying too awake, but the opposite, falling asleep too quickly. Last night I woke up 9 times. I tried 2 things, changing from one to the other back and forth. I would try focusing on my breath, and noticing. Both methods were not strong enough to maintain conscious awareness as my body fell asleep. My mind fell asleep along with my body every time.
I'm wondering if I play a music CD or a CD with a voice talking, after waking up, my mind will have something to focus on.
What thinkest thou?
Don
Quote from: OBEvideoguy on March 27, 2009, 14:20:20
I'm wondering if I play a music CD or a CD with a voice talking, after waking up, my mind will have something to focus on.
Of course I'll let Vessen answers as I am not an expert but I am afraid that a CD or voice CD wakes you up too much and hence annihilates the chemical reaction described in the Ebook.
just my 2 cents ;)
Hey faxman,
I see your point, and have thought of that, however, if the audio volume is too high and I became too awake, I could turn it down a bit for the next time. If the volume was too low, I could turn it up just a bit. There might just be a happy medium. I'm thinking this might be training wheels for me. I'm looking forward to Vessen's comments.
Don
No joy tonight. Set my mental alarm clock for 3am, woke at 4:30am. Now I'm wide awake! :-(
Oh well, there is always tomorrow. :-D
Lol, similar to me as well. Woke up again, and became wide awake almost instantly. At least no breathing problems and anxiety this night, so it's some kind of progress, I guess. I'll keep trying...
Me too, nothing special to report excepted a big headache this morning after many breathing technique tries during the night.
Maybe the title of the book should be changed : it may be not 'The Easiest Method to Learn Astral Projection! '
:-D
I tried using audio, both music and voice, at different volumes. It did not work. When I listened to it after waking up, it was too much stimulus and I remained awake. After a while I could get back to sleep, sometimes, but soon after, the audio woke me up again. When I turned the volume down, it had no effect. I had a restless sleep as a result. Oh well, won't try that again.
Back to observing the breath and noticing. I am confident that practice will perfect this method. I believe the concept is valid. I'll post any results on this thread.
I still think VES is a breath of fresh air. I am dedicating weeks and months to working on this system. The whole idea of waking up at night and consciously entering the hypnogogic is brilliant. I am excited about the prospects of getting that part of the System down, and continuing to master the other aspects. From what I've been learning from Vessen's posts, when it clicks, it will be an easy method to replicate any time I want to OBE. For me, that is a valuable goal, so I am not giving up anytime soon.
Don
Hey everyone,
VES is a four part system. The first part is programming the subconscious mind to wake the body/mind up during sleep. The second part is consciously entering into the hypnogogic state. Third is bringing in energy from the Vehram Array in order to stimulate the vibrations. Last is executing an exit technique.
So far I have stage one down - I am waking up numerous times each night, during sleep.
Entering consciously into the hypnogogic is a challenge for me at this time. Being aware of the breath, in and out, as recommended by Vessen Hopkins, the author of VES, is tricky for me. I think the reason is this - breathing is so immeshed within body activity that the body falls asleep while breathing and takes the mind with it. I will continue to work with breath however. I'm convinced that practice makes perfect.
This morning I was video chatting with Line Salvesen from Norway, using Skype. We have been chatting on and off for over two years. She is a natural lucid dreamer, having 4 or 5 lucid dreams each and every night. She can have WILDs at will in the early morning hours. A WILD is a Wake-Induced Lucid Dream - entering into a dream, lucidly (unbroken consciousness) while falling asleep. Line (pronounced LEENA) is in the process of participating in more than one European scientific study on the brain/dream state. In one of the sessions she will have numerous lucid dreams while sleeping in an MRI machine - very exciting research.
I filled her in on VES and my problem with stage two, entering hypnogogic. She suggested the following, a method she came up with a while back, that she personally uses to enter a WILD. She suggests getting almost a full night's sleep before trying to WILD. For me, who sleeps 8 - 10 hours per night, she advises to get at least 7 hours sleep first, before programming my subconscious to awaken. She does not recommend an alarm as that might wake the body/mind too much.
After waking up slightly, she suggests observing your finger, in front of your face, waving back and forth, while your eyes follow. Do this physically for a few seconds, then rest the arm and close your eyes. Now, imagine/visualize the finger moving in front of your face, waving back and forth, while your eyes follow. This must be done in the mind's eye. Keep concentrating on the imagined movement and your body will fall asleep naturally, while your mind enters into the hypnogogic state and your moving finger will materialize as a dream image - you will be lucid at that time, and ready for part three and four of VES.
I'll be working with this method for the next two weeks.
Don
I also appreciate everone's input here.
I had limited success last night. Instead of having a conscious OBE I had a LD instead. I won't go into details but it was pretty crazy.
I think the fact that I am stimulating my subconscious with these discussions is doing a lot to help me find a way to project. I just need to stick with it and talking with you guys gives me motivation.
I think a common problem with older people like myself is, the lack of melatonin. Without melatonin the body does not feel the need to sleep. I remember when I was younger I could sleep at the drop of a hat! No longer. There are melatonin supplements but I never found them to be very effective.
Anyway, glad we're having this discussion.
For me, an increase in vivid dreams and lucid dreams indicate I'm very close to achieving projection as well. I also tend to randomly wake up early in the mornings then too, I think because I get so close to lucidity that I accidentally wake myself up. It's a good window to put all my effort into it. Perhaps this system is a good way to hold that window open.
Hey all,
The use of sound (for some) can be effective, but it needs to be the right kind of sound. Meditational music is great, but there does remain the pitfall that music is distracting, may cause you to lose focus and fall asleep, or not be able to tune inward enough to let go and allow yourself to go back to sleep. It also provides physical stimulus and diverts attention from the breathing exercise, which I believe is the most powerful tool one can use to effectively control entry into hypnagogia.
I would rather see someone with the specific problem of falling asleep too easily to try instead to remain focusing on your breathing. The principles at work are physiological in nature and cannot be taken out of the equation with any real benefit. I am convinced that you are much closer than you realize to success. More practice will soon lead to that aha moment.
If you are the kind of individual who, when awakened, can easily slip back to sleep (maybe too easily), then this technique will work wonders. Some people have the exact opposite problem in that they cannot go back to sleep, once awakened. I will share a solution to this as the post continues below.
Recognizing a tencdency to fall asleep easily, (if that is your particular issue) simply remember to play a more active mental role when you wake up. Do not allow yourself to mentally relax and become passive, waiting for IT to happen. This is where the tug has more strength than we do. Instead of waiting for it to happen, make it happen - control your breathing and use the exhale to actively force the transition. The chemical pre-cursers are there. (Have faith that you are going to fall back asleep)
Follow the breathing exercise until your body moves into hypnagogia. You are in control, but it is so easy to let that control go by mentally relaxing or otherwise forgetting about the process (the technique you are suppose to be using).
The moment we relax the mind, consciousness will very quickly slip away.
Sometimes, and I am very guilty of this myself, you may wake up, get excited about the prospect of leaving your body, and wake up too much, resulting in an inability to fall back asleep very easily.
For many, because we are seemingly too awake, we simply try to go back to sleep. The tendency is to lose concentration during this period. What I want to reiterate here, is that the body still has the chemical precursors to sleep circulating within the body. ***It depends directly on the amount of rest the body feels it has had, as to how much more of these chemicals will be released into the body, once you relax. (one note to Jub: melatonin does play a critical role in this process of falling asleep and lower levels of this harmone is certainly an issue that we deal with as we get older. However, you still are able to sleep like we all do, so don't feel like you cannot use this method. You may have to do it after less sleep than others may need.)
So, if you are waking up and feeling wide awake, try to get less sleep next time before waking up. Allow your body to be very sleepy when you first go to sleep. One may also want to wake up after a shorter sleep period than otherwise (two hours instead of four, perhaps.)
It is extremely difficult for a fully rested body (or a body that "thinks" it's full rested) to fall asleep, even for someone who is adept at the techniques. There are times when I am unable to force the transition back into hypnagogia because I am too well rested. On the other hand, it is extremely difficult to prevent a sleepy body from going to sleep. Whatever your case may be, use this info to your advantage. Somewhere in the middle of this is the sweet-spot, but remember, the real power to this technique lay in the breathing exercise.
It simply has to be controlled. You have to be in control over the process the entire time and play an active role through the transition. Do this with the least amount of awareness possible without falling asleep to help prevent yourself from waking up too much. Kinda just noticing what you are doing, but purposeful in your execution.
Breath out, and each time as you are exhaling, relax deeply, watch your body go to sleep. If it doesn't go to sleep on that particular exhale, you will have at the very least pushed the body that much closer to the transition. So, breath in, then exhale and relax deeply, again. Notice the tug, but don't fight it. Go with it and maintain "noticing" your body slipping into sleep paralysis.
One thing that practitioners want to be aware of is that when this tug occurs, we may have a tendency to kinda say to ourselves, "Whoa, what's going on here?" We have to learn how to go with it and not tell ourselves to stop. The mind, if it becomes over analytical during the transition, will stop the transition and instead wake up.
So, go with it, without questioning it. Just let it happen, but also, "force it" by using the prescribed breathing technique.
Once across the threshold of hypnagogia, it is much more difficult to then awaken the body (it's not like you will slip out of it very easily.) You would have to strain quite hard to roll over and move the body to wake it up. Or, get really excited about something and release adrenaline. This often happens in the hypnagogic-state when fear enters the mind. Fear, for instance, of not being able to move, or getting "stuck" in that condition.
Just remain calm and follow the rest of the method to obtain the vibrations and separate.
I hope this helps. Don't give up and keep a positive attitude. Use that breathing exercise to full advantage. Its power is unbelievable in terms of how it will open the door to oobe's at will!
Thank you all for exploring this and sharing your feedback. I wish you the very best on your continuing journey!
Regards,
Vessen Hopkins
Author, "Out-of-Body Experienes; the Vehram Energy System"
Let me just say real quick Vessen, you have an extraordinary ability to explain yourself. Very clear, concise an easily understood. I noticed it in your book as well. :-)
Thanks for those explanations Vessen.
We do keep a positive attitude but it's true , the process is not that easy. Staying awake enough when waking up during the night is difficult...but of course, not impossible.
So let's keep this thread alive and share our successes soon !
Thanks Vessen for shedding some more light into my problem of being too wide awake when I awaken. I'll give it a shot tonight, as tomorrow we have a public holiday around here, so 'i can play' during the night without being afraid that I'll fall asleep tomorrow at work :-D
Will post back if I had any success tomorrow.
marika
3-31-09
It seems my internal alarm is working well. I set it for 2 am and woke at 2:20. Not too bad. Unfortunately, as soon as I woke, my expectations ran high and the monkey chatter started to set in. I did feel small vibrations at one point but was unable to strengthen them so they faded. I listened to a clock in the kitchen as my focal point, counting each tick, all the while my mind started thinking about what I was to expect. I just didn't feel the sleepiness.
Next thing I know it's 6:00 am and my alarm goes off! Must have dosed without even realizing it! Frustrating to say the least!
I think jub jub we almost had the same experience the same night !
I confirm, it's really frustrating ;)
Hey jub jub & faxman,
I understand frustrating. As I've posted earlier, I am a professional magician. I recall, on numerous occasions, trying a new card move or sleight with coins. My fingers felt like butter when I first started practicing and soon became sore from engaging muscles that have never worked in that particular combination. Days and weeks and months would go by as I practiced and practiced. Then, I would hit a certain threshold and WHAM! I was able to execute the move. Then came the hard part, performing the trick in front of an audience. A whole new ball of wax. Live performances tested my timing, angles, psychological focus, patter, and misdirection. Eventually I would perfect the effect and add it to my routine. I recall working on one particular card effect called "The Pass" - I probably rehearsed this difficult move for a year before it was ready for audiences. That was 20 years ago.
Then, a few weeks ago, a local magician at a magic meeting performed the exact same sleight using a refined method that involved little movement/misdirection. It was brilliant! Some magician, somewhere along the line, came up with a pronounced improvement on "The Pass" and published it in a magic book.
I really think that VES is an improvement over the standard way I've been using to have OBEs. Numerous short attempts after waking up at night/early morning, far outshine the hour or two I have usually spent, hemi-sync headphones on, lying on my back, waiting for that magic moment, year after year.
Don
(http://www.forging-ahead.com/wizard_cup_wand.jpg)
You're cute. :lol:
Hey CFTraveler,
Well actually, that photo was taken 6 years ago. Now my hair is gray and short and I've put on around 30 pounds! But thanks...
Don
:roll:
I keep my daily OBE regimen anyway, trying to have success with phasing.
I suppose that VES + Phasing should produce results.
Hey everyone,
I just wanted to say thank you! All of those here who have taken the time and effort to explore the Vehram Array have done so with such a tremendously positive attitude, and a real dedication to exploring this subject matter without prejudice. It is often easier to dismiss things that are unfamiliar and stick with what we know. You have all shown exactly the opposite: a strong desire to explore new things and an equal willingness to share with others.
You have built yet another wall of confidence in the work that has consumed the last 18 years of my life and I cannot fully express what it means to me to be able to see those of you having success! I also believe that it is simply a matter of practice, patience, and persistence before all have met with the highest levels of success. I have seen no lack in any of these departments on the part of you folks, which is why I know that we will continue to see great progress.
I deeply appreciate your critical support and will continue to offer any help and/or advice that I may have. Thank you for your encouragement, through actions and words. You are making the difference!
Thank you also Vessen for being so clear in your explanations.
Will you update your ebook from time to time and give new download link for your customers then ? that'd be great.
maybe could you tell in the book more about the array and what they do on an energy level...maybe you could create a FAQ according to the PM questions you answered ?
It could be a very exciting process for all of us, your students :-)
Last night I woke up several times and reached the vibrational stage almost immediately. Unfortunately, the vibrations weren't strong enough to project. At one point I was seeing vivid imagery as though watching a movie but I was still very aware of my body laying in the bed. It seems every night brings me closer to my goal! I just hope I don't give up before getting there.
I am still stuck in the breathing process. No vibrations or hypnagogic images yet.
Well when I can stay awake, the vibrations seem to come easy. Last night I woke up at about 3am. I started the breathing and about three breaths in the vibrations started, but this time they were only in my head, which I thought was strange. I was totally aware of my body, but was unable to OBE :?.......still trying.
Just a quick note to answer back some of the questions asked by faxman and to offer insight on current stages of progress for others...
I am currently working on an updated version of the e-book. 34 pages is an extremely condensed version I will also cover an alternate method for hypnagogic-induction.
I appreciate your questions as they represent the very areas where others may have concerns and these will be clarified in an updated version of the e-book. You all are somewhat a "live test run" and your feedback is invaluable in terms of letting me know where more information is needed. Everyone will receive the updated version of the e-book via e-mail as soon as it comes available.
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Quote from: faxman on April 03, 2009, 21:45:03
I am still stuck in the breathing process. No vibrations or hypnagogic images yet.
When you wake up, take a moment to first just mentally relax and be sure to remain calm. One of the greatest culprits at this stage is adrenaline. We get excited, even just a little, and the body awakens (or otherwise doesn't slip toward hypnagogia.) Also, you can practice just the breathing/relaxation technique during the day to train your body to more immediately relax. Familiarity enables us to recall from memory more easily and be able to more quickly induce the state. This will make it much easier to follow through at night. Don't worry about expecting images during hypnagogia. It happens to some, not so for others.
phxsun and jub jub: when you reach hypnagogia, remember to pull the energy from the power centers of the Vehram Array into your body to increase the intensity. I have experienced, however, much the same thing when the energy seems to be at an overall low level. This can be caused by anythng that is having a "vitality draining" effect on us (including a lot of negativity in our lives, as well as engaging in sexual intercourse,) but usually is caused simply by natural cycles the ethereal goes through (fluctuations in the power center's diameter, and or, distance from the body.)
You may have to reach a little further, sometimes, or pull energy from the Vehram Array for a little longer before you achieve a strong level of vibrations. The power source is always there, however. Also remember that you have control over where this energy will flow, but only if you take control. The vibrations tend to equalize on their own, but will occasionally "pool together" in your head, for instance. You have to disperse this energy by willing it to expand throughout your body in order to fully equalize the bonds that bind your ethereal body to the physical.
Best of luck and thanks to all for keeping us posted!
I am glad you liked my idea and gives an answer to it. That is a very good news.
As for OBE, I am also interested in the discoveries you made about the Array.
Thanks Vessen.
Thanks VessenHopkins, your comments have been a fantastic, and a great help. Last night I woke up at 3am and for an hour I laid there wide awake and could not get anything going. Instead, I finally fell asleep and had a dream that my inlaws dog was in my back yard, and was killing birds. That was crazy!
Quote from: VessenHopkins on April 05, 2009, 13:37:07
phxsun and jub jub: when you reach hypnagogia, remember to pull the energy from the power centers of the Vehram Array into your body to increase the intensity. I have experienced, however, much the same thing when the energy seems to be at an overall low level. This can be caused by anythng that is having a "vitality draining" effect on us (including a lot of negativity in our lives, as well as engaging in sexual intercourse,) but usually is caused simply by natural cycles the ethereal goes through (fluctuations in the power center's diameter, and or, distance from the body.)
You may have to reach a little further, sometimes, or pull energy from the Vehram Array for a little longer before you achieve a strong level of vibrations. The power source is always there, however. Also remember that you have control over where this energy will flow, but only if you take control. The vibrations tend to equalize on their own, but will occasionally "pool together" in your head, for instance. You have to disperse this energy by willing it to expand throughout your body in order to fully equalize the bonds that bind your ethereal body to the physical.
Best of luck and thanks to all for keeping us posted!
Thanks for the reminder. I have not been doing that.
I really need to get the breathing under control. I find when I get near the hypnogogic stage, my heartbeat increases and I my breathing becomes labored. Not a good thing.
Lots of activity on this thread. I have not been trying the Vehram system lately because I have been slammed at work and my daughter keeps waking me up.
I was able to exit my body the first time I tried this technique however. Tonight I am going to hope and pray that I can sleep uninterrupted and I want to consciously think about each exhale taking me closer to paralysis and imagine my body becoming heavy like I did the first time.
I would like to say that when I succeeded the paralysis came before the vibrations. I could actually feel my body transition into sleep and become paralyzed. I then simply willed the energy into my body and I was able to exit.
I think that by reading all of these posts and then writing this, I have set the intent and that I will exit tonight. I will report tomorrow with the details.
Best regards
David
No out of body for me last night, I could not get relaxed enough when I woke up and then sleep crept up on me.
I will try again tonight.
Me too, no exit even though I managed to stay completely calm and relax during the breathing process.
Quote from: OBEvideoguy on March 18, 2009, 17:40:17
Hey everyone,
It has been many months since I last posted on this forum. Many of you may recall me as the creator and destroyer of AstralSource.com
I have been practicing OBEs for over 8 years, after having an NDE. After 2 years of diligent practice, I had, maybe, half a dozen experiences. They blew my mind; the most awesome thing I have ever experienced. I then got a little complaisant, cocky actually, and felt I had mastered the technique. Just to let you let you know, my OBEs only happened while sleeping – something to keep in mind while reading my insights below...
Because I stopped practicing, I stopped having OBEs, and my daily life started to consume all of my energy. I returned to practice 2 years ago, on and off, with little success.
Recently I stumbled upon a copy of The Vehram System (vehram.com) stashed away in my backup hard drive. I studied it carefully and have new hope that OBEs are within my grasp again.
I’ve been working on some fresh interpretations and alternate methods of the Vehram System over the past week.
Before sleep, I reinforced that I would awake numerous times during the night/early morning hours, and it has worked 5 nights in a row. I think this has been successful due to my conviction that the basic concept behind the Vehram System is sound. My intention has powered my subconscious mind to obey my command. Only by studying the System was I able to generate the enthusiasm to produce results. The System is designed that way, and I highly recommend downloading it.
Before sleep last night, while in bed, I picked a position that kept me awake longer, into the hypnogogic stage - better than any other method so far! This is not in the System but something I came across on my own. I'm sure I'm not the first one to discover it. I lay half on my side, half on my back. Not quite cuddled up in the fetal position but halfway relaxed on my side. I didn't stay fully awake, like when lying on my back, or crashed into sleep, like when I’m curled up on my side. I felt that consciousness lasted longer than usual, being more aware of the hypnogogic. I am quite confident that I will be able to select a perfectly balanced body position for prolonging the hypnogogic stage in time.
Following the System, at the right time, when I breathed out, I would relax my body - when I breathed in, I would imagine drawing energy from the Vehram Array. The Vehram System .pdf download is only ten bucks and well worth it. I have intentionally not given the system away here because the creator deserved the credit and business. The 34 pages of knowledge is tantamount to breakthrough OBE technology!
I will be practicing this new method for the next several weeks and update this post.
I would very much like to discuss the system in detail, via PM, with others who have studied the ebook.
In conclusion, I think approaching an OBE from the hypnogogic window of 3 - 10 seconds, numerous times a night, is so incredibly exciting. Finally, the Zone has been mapped! Gone, for me, are the endless hours of pre-sleep practice sessions, week after week, month after month, year after year!
Don
hey OBE videoguy! I used to project laying on my back but with poor success since it kept me awake the whole time the positions is not very natural.well lastnight i tried your way of laying half on my back,half on my side and amazingly under 1 minute had a full body relaxation unfortunately a Mosquito bugged me and i tried smacking it with great effort i did it and layed back in the same position calm imediately the state returned and the bug returned and i lost the state.i got pest control to kill them.will try again tonight and report back!:-)
Well, I don't know what was going on last night but I was having one LD after another. :-D I used the Vehram method of reaching out to the energy grid to fuel my spirit and I was rewarded!
Unfortunately, I was not able to obtain the OBE state by phasing. I seemingly would drift off into unconsciousness but then my sub-consciousness would remember it had a task and rewarded me with several, very vivid LDs!
It was good fun! If I could make a concerted effort to practice this method every night, I have no doubt OBE's could be experienced on a regular basis. It does take some work though.
Any progress guys ?
I have been so tired and stressed from work, and my youngest is about to graduate from High School and move on to ASU, falling asleep the second my head hits the pillow is all I'm getting right now! I did get a dream visit from an old friend that passed back in 2000....maybe I can get back to practicing in a week or two :oops:
Just charged the money on my paypal account.
Gonna test it then in a few days...thanx for the hint :-)
Pan
Bought the ebook some time ago, but never did get around to reading it till now.
I woke up at around 3am (by habit) and tried to reach hypnagogic state last night, controlling my breaths and trying to sink deeper towards sleep with every exhaled breath.
I'm quite certain I reached a stage when I was aware of lying in bed but little else, this consciousness lasted for an indeterminate period, but I never had the sense of lapsing into sleep or waking up. Next thing I knew I was still somewhat in this state and the sun had already risen unbeknownst to me. There didn't seem to be a break in consciousness and I had no dreams whatsoever, at the same time I wasn't sufficiently conscious to be remember my intention to go on to the next step.
Can anyone help me decipher what happened? Could it be construed as some sort of progress or did I simply fall asleep and wake up without realising it. :?
I am not really sure what happened with you, it sounds like something happened, but it's unfamiliar.
When I go into sleep paralysis it feels like a wave of something passes over my body and i am left feeling like I am buried in concrete. When you feel this it's unmistakable. You will not be able to move your physical body regardless of how hard you try.
Please continue posted your progress, I am very interested in your results.
Best Regards
David
I will continue to try, and reading your blog just makes me realize how uncommitted I had been previously. My intent and desire has to be much stronger if I'm ever to succeed.
I tried it this night, and i really woke up in the middle of the night.
I started to scratch like a monkey and after about 10 seconds i realized
why i´ve been woken up. At this point i was too awake and nothing happend.
I then gave up and relaxed and then slipped 3 times into the hypnagogic state,
but at the moment i realize that im doing so, i slip out of it, no matter what i do.
I wasnt very excited, maybe its just my mind that cant let go. Its frustrating,
after a half year of trying still no result. Still i think this method is the best
i´ve tried so far.
Pan
Hello Don....
Long time no chat.. tried looking you up a few times and emailing but realized that AS was done etc.. Sorry to hear that.
Yeah, I will have to check ut Vehram System.. even though it sounds quite similar to just using a alarm clock, setting at random times waking and falling back into sleep with the strong intentions of mind-body awareness with projecting. Still never a less, what ever works and you are comfy with it - stick with it. Also, remember it will take a lot of energy, patience, trial and error. Keep up the good work dude!
Jub Jub.. long time no chat either.. Been away from the forums for awhile. Been focusing on my book writing, radio interviews, obe experiments etc.. Still having the OBES every week w/o fail so still kicking..
Tvos
Hey everybody,
Been a little while since I had a chance to update on the posts. I have been busy working on a more detailed animation of the Vehram System. The new video illustration, which is now posted on youtube, shows the individual spheres of energy, as well as the fueling and separation of the ethereal body. You can check it out at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_GPTSiJEDc
I want to thank all of you who have taken the time to explore this and who continue to offer your support to this very important project. I see your blogs and am grateful that you share this with others. Together, we are creating a truly positive change.
For those who may be new to this particular post (or subject matter) I encourage you to explore the Vehram site and learn more about the true source for the vibrational surge. I notice many questions surrounding this subject, due in no small part to the fact that much information about the source of the vibrations remain a mystery in mainstream outlets. The Vehram System, however, is the fundamental source of this energy and can be drawn upon any time you are in hypnagogia, or what we commonly refer to as sleep paralysis.
There are of course the many scientific aspects of the Vehram System, including how "radiant energy" behaves, that should be considered. It is important to understand how identifying these scientific characteristics allows us to independently demonstrate for ourselves that separation does occur. The independent nature of the Vehram System becomes much more obvious once you have felt the strength of the energy that is generated by this ethereal array.
One thing I would also like to mention is that the behavior of the Vehram System, in terms of how the radiance may increase or decrease, is at the heart of many of the questions surrounding why the vibrations are sometimes present and not at others. Simply knowing where to pull the vibrational energy from can alleviate the issue altogether.
Hope you enjoy the video and keep searching for answers. They are out there waiting to be discovered...
Regards,
Vessen Hopkins,
Author, "Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Energy System"
It works! Trust me. Or dont. But i'm still right. :lol:
I believe the Vehram system is good but despite many efforts, I still haven't achieved any OBE even not reached the hypnogogic stage.
Did other members have had better progresses ?
Astral projection is real but there is always an element that wants to abuse and exploit.
Quote from: faxman on October 04, 2009, 12:21:27
I believe the Vehram system is good but despite many efforts, I still haven't achieved any OBE even not reached the hypnogogic stage.
Did other members have had better progresses ?
Hey there,
I had the same problem for a long time. I found that when you´re unable to project, there are mostly
good reasons why you cant. Most people have in this case burried things which would come up when they
project, which could cause traumatic experiences.
So my first advice would be, to clear your emotional layers. Im using Lifeflow (project-meditation.org), but
thats a matter of taste.
Pan
Quote from: nickspry on October 04, 2009, 14:03:23
This person is talking nonsense. Don't believe this crap . Astral projection is real but there is always an element that wants to abuse and exploit. Don't be taken in by it.
This looks like a useless cat fight for me. You definitly have some problems (with this man),
so better take care of it or you´ll get ill.
Any update with the system ?
please, no flame this time ;)
I haven't worked a lot on it recently but I haven't been able to reach even the hypnagogic state. Actually, even when I practice Frank's phasing method, even after 1 hour, I see no light or whatsoever unfortunately behind my eyelids.
Is it common ? It is bothering as with this problem phasing is out of my reach.
Quote from: Panthau on October 05, 2009, 08:28:21
This looks like a useless cat fight for me. You definitly have some problems (with this man),
Reading back through this thread, I have no idea who that comment was aimed at (it was months ago). It certainly wasn't Vessen Hopkins as I have no problem with his work. I can only imagine I posted this in the wrong thread. I was obviously angry at something someone had said, but on reflection that comment was a bit over the top. Have removed the offending vitriol. Apologies if I offended anyone.
just bought the ebook. ill post my results soon.
I am having some success with this method. My problem is the vibrations start and I become aware that I need to swallow. Then I swallow and the vibrations become less. My body is asleep but I feel aware of my head and mouth. Anyone have any in site in dealing with this?
Try to use a pillow or change your position in bed. The problem usually occurs when lying down in bed, on the back, without a pillow.
What about your success Jester ?
I bought the pdf and it didn't help at all.
So far the best results I've had was when I read Astral Dynamics.
This method seems to be very similar to my previous OOBEs that I have had so far this year. It always occurred with the feeling of getting "heavy" and then being "tugged" past a certain point once the breathing becomes very rhythmic, which I actually notice the body doing once it is entering sleep.
Basically the body seems to transition from random chaotic breathing to a very subdued, rhythmic breathing once sleep approaches.
I bought the book.. going to give it a try.
seems vehram.com is down anyone have the book?
Quote from: OBEvideoguy on March 18, 2009, 17:40:17
Only by studying the System was I able to generate the enthusiasm to produce results.
And that's the single most relevant comment in this entire thread.
You could replace the 'Vehram system' with anything that gives you the required BELIEF or ENTHUSIASM to produce results.
I am a long time nonphysical explorer, but I'll refrain from commenting further because I know nothing about chakras or the Vehram system. :-)
Does anyone know where I can purchase the e book? The original link is now linked to some girls blog and after googling I still can't find it.
Thanks!
*EDIT PLEASE READ*: Most of you will find you are looking for Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Energy System. Some of what is referred to below regarding Scribd including the rest of this post (which was prior to edit) is another book The Vehram Energy System: Proof of Life After Death
I attempted to help locate the book people were looking for but i mistakenly found another book. Stu pointed out my mistake. Refer here:http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/the_vehram_system_is_truly_brilliant-t29333.0.html;msg322467#msg322467 (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/the_vehram_system_is_truly_brilliant-t29333.0.html;msg322467#msg322467)
The Author (VessenHopkins) is in the process of setting up a new website at http://vehram.org/ (http://vehram.org/) see here:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/the_vehram_system_is_truly_brilliant-t29333.0.html;msg323550#msg323550
Until that site is setup you may be able to contact Vessen at vessenhopkins@vehram.org and see if he can get you a copy of the Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Energy System
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I had a good search for you but it looks to only be available here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/43078509/The-Vehram-Energy-System-Proof-of-Life-After-Death
$9 a look.
strange that vehram.com is not being used by the author anymore. He seemed fully into his system.
i was using this system when i had my first few OBE's so i do recommend.
You could try contacting the author via http://www.linkedin.com/pub/vessen-hopkins/25/27/864
and see what he says. He did have an email (admin@vehram.com) but i figure since vehram.com has changed it wouldn't work.
Quote from: newmethod on January 14, 2013, 12:02:43
I had a good search for you but it looks to only be available here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/43078509/The-Vehram-Energy-System-Proof-of-Life-After-Death
$9 a look.
I went to this site and had every intent of purchasing the book. I clicked on the
BUY full copy button below the image of the cover and then it asked me if I wanted to sign in using my Facebook account. I did and then I was able to access and download the book for free.
Just wanted to share that.
Quote from: Stu on January 14, 2013, 15:14:29
I went to this site and had every intent of purchasing the book. I clicked on the BUY full copy button below the image of the cover and then it asked me if I wanted to sign in using my Facebook account. I did and then I was able to access and download the book for free.
Just wanted to share that.
When I click buy full version it just goes to the top of the page. And every other link that says download just refreshes the page. >_<
Quote from: Jdeadevil on January 14, 2013, 15:57:05
When I click buy full version it just goes to the top of the page. And every other link that says download just refreshes the page. >_<
I had that same problem when I was using Firefox (version 18.0). I switched to Internet Explorer 9 and it worked fine.
did not work, wanted me to pay.....
Because of the Copyright message left at the bottom of the file, I am allowed to re-distribute the file that I was able to download from this site (http://www.scribd.com/doc/43078509/The-Vehram-Energy-System-Proof-of-Life-After-Death).
Here is that license:
Copyright 2009 Vessen E. Hopkins – Copies of this guide may be re-distributed only in the exact stand-alone version as found
here, a complete and exact reproduction in pdf format with all graphics and content, including this copyright notice,
and must be made available freely without compensation of any kind. All Other Rights Reserved!
Please keep in mind that this is not his Ebook, "Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Energy System" which I think most people are looking for. There are a few good pointers and some history in this file however. I have tried, without success, to contact Vessen in order to find a site where this other Ebook could be purchased. If anyone knows where it can be bought, could you let me know? I would appreciate it.
You can download, "The Vehram Energy System: Proof of Life After Death" from here - https://www.box.com/s/fen8i0g9zr1kc3422v7q
Quote from: Stu on January 16, 2013, 09:12:46
You can download, "The Vehram Energy System: Proof of Life After Death" from here - https://www.box.com/s/tqrz6kqmcbk7snmauh46
Please keep in mind that this is not his Ebook, "Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Energy System" which I think most people are looking for.
Sorry. My mistake.
All I can find is broken links, are those cheeky Illuminati up to something again? :P
I want to first say thank you to everyone who has taken the time and effort to explore the Vehram Energy System. The Vehram.com web site is no longer operational - however, I am in the process of setting up a new web site at www.vehram.org
Much has happened in the past few years and I am currently attending the University of Texas at Arlington working toward a PhD in Physics in an effort to pursue this in a more scientifically rigorous manner. Those of you who took the time to explore this energy system, and the positive feedback I have received from you, has been an enormous source of encouragement to pursue this further, and I offer you my deepest gratitude.
The E-book will be available again in an updated version (much has been learned since its original writing), hopefully in the not-too-distant future. Currently, however, research is of greatest importance. It is very difficult, as I am sure you could imagine, to be in a position where one is attempting to garner support in the scientific community for research projects while running a commercial enterprise on the side! Unfortunately, when potential researchers see that you are selling a book, they assume you only care about the financial aspects. So it became more of a detriment to these efforts, and that is the reason why the original site went down. I couldn't care less about the money and would just as soon give the book away.
The reason the book was sold for $10 in the first place was two fold - 1) anyone who spends money on a how-to book is more likely to investigate it (often with a more critical perspective on such information) and not put it on the back shelf. 2) the income allowed the continued functioning of the website - I am far from wealthy and could not have kept the site up for as long as it was without your support.
My real aim, however, is and always has been to conduct double-blind studies that will prove independent observability - If the Vehram System is independently observable in double-blind studies, we would have a sound foundation for proof that it is not a hallucinatory experience. Many people have observed this system, but did so only after exposure to the information in the e-book. This fact leaves open room for criticism that such individual's experiences were the product of prior knowledge. I, for one, hold little confidence in such reasoning, but such is the mind of a skeptic. :?
When true independent observation occurs in a laboratory environment, we will be able to test for each of the principles governing this system and will be able to tell whether the nature of an individual's experience coincides with the expected response. The corrsponding response to the various theoretical stimuli generated through ethereal interaction with this system, under double-blind conditions, would preclude the possibility of hallucinatory stimulus - which leaves only one possibility: it is real. As I have long argued, the Vehram System's verified existence demonstrates the separation of consciousness (via the ethereal) as a real event - because the system itself is located entirely outside the body. It then makes no sense to argue that such extra-corporal perception is merely an internal event. This, in turn, proves consciousness is not the product of the structural/neurological integrity of the brain, but rather that consciousness is a functional entity unto itself and completely separate from the body.
Normally, scientifically speaking, all experience is purely a subjective phenomenon - no way exists to prove someone's experience was a real event. Instead, we look to others who perhaps may have seen the phenomenon themselves (in a purely independent fashion) in an effort to then be able to say "Ok, so we're not crazy!" I make this point to say this: it is not the experience of the Vehram System itself, but rather the independent observability of the unique principles governing the Vehram Ethereal Array that proves the system is real. The only way to ever garner scientific support for its existence is to conduct the research in a professional way. And so, this is where my efforts are currently being directed.
Anyone who has experienced this energy system first-hand and who is interested in offering their own testimonials - which would be collected for future data - is encouraged to write me an email with their story. Your information will remain anonymous unless explicit permission is granted otherwise. The website will be up and running in the next couple of weeks, and a link will be provided through the site, or you can send me an email at vessenhopkins@vehram.org
You have each been an instrumental part in making this happen and I am eternally grateful for that... I don't believe any person has ever accomplished anything entirely on their own, and this could never have happened without you. Thanks again for all your support, feedback, and interest in this project!
Happy Projections and Kindest Regards,
Vessen Hopkins
Author, "Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Energy System"
Glad to have news from you after such a while.
The price of your ebook is totally accessible and I am glad I bought it. I am now impatient to see the forthcoming updated version.
Keep up the good work.
Looking forward to your new site and especially the research. Full steam ahead.
vehram.org (http://vehram.org) nice:) can't wait :)
Keep up the good work :-)
I think this is the third most viewed thread in this category that isn't a sticky. Fourth most viewed total :)
"I'm likin' it, i'm likin' it a lot" 8-)
I got the "book" (14 pages) from linked web site but found no description of technique, just a description of the overall VEHRAM system.
Anyone have any suggestions? I was hoping for $10 I would get a specific technique I could try out.
Quote from: reality_bytes on February 22, 2013, 17:16:26
I got the "book" (14 pages) from linked web site but found no description of technique, just a description of the overall VEHRAM system.
Anyone have any suggestions? I was hoping for $10 I would get a specific technique I could try out.
Sorry did you buy: The Vehram Energy System: Proof of Life After Death?
What you probably want is:
Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Energy System..
The Author (VessenHopkins) is in the middle of setting up a site at http://vehram.org/ (http://vehram.org/)
Contact the Author at vessenhopkins@vehram.org and he should be able to get you a copy of Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Energy System.
Regards,
Dean
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EDIT: i've made a major edit to my post back at http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/the_vehram_system_is_truly_brilliant-t29333.0.html;msg322262#msg322262
Sorry to anyone who may have bought the 'wrong book' as a result of my earlier post but i did spend quite some time in an attempt to locate and contact Vessen at that time and i believe part of the reason he had posted back here:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/the_vehram_system_is_truly_brilliant-t29333.0.html;msg323550#msg323550 (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/the_vehram_system_is_truly_brilliant-t29333.0.html;msg323550#msg323550) was because of a message i left him.
As i've already stated in this thread the book
Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Energy System is definately worth a read and about 10 of the first 12 OBE's i had i could definitely put down to reading this book and many of those i've had since are based on what i first learnt. So to me it has been an infinite help.
Yes, that's what happened.
I've emailed him and hope he sends me the right one. Really want to give it a try!
I've emailed twice in the last week and no reply.
If someone reading this thread knows the author and can help that would be appreciated.
On there web page it states " for around $2 a week your body will become the target of focused scource energy " There selling something you can do for free . http://www.sourceworker.com/ these came up on a web search http://www.realmagick.com/astral-energy/ http://www.scribd.com/doc/47840361/The-Vehram-Energy-System-Proof-of-Life-After-Death http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_GPTSiJEDc desert rat
Hello DRat.
Not sure what you are suggesting. The book you are pointing is the very one I bought and IS NOT the one that describes the technique. So pointing me or others to it does nothing but perpetuate the confusion. Right? Am I missing something?
Vessen- are you reading this thread? Can you PLEASE clarify and solve the problem for me/us, and stop this silliness?
All I know is what is on the web pages . I typed in vahram.com I was re directed to the site I posted , stating that for a fee you would be filled with energy . This post on astral pulse is the first I have heard of this , and I know nothing about it . desert rat
Hi everyone,
I have received a number of emails regarding the book "Out-of-Body Experiences: Proof of Life After Death" as well as on the book which includes the method for inducing out-of-body experiences titled "Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Energy System." With regards to the first title, I am dissapointed to learn that some have paid money for this or access to the download. Sites such as scribd dot com require paid membership to gain access to the books available on the site. I will be shortly sending them an email requesting they remove the title, as the copyright notice does not allow any distribution except in a completely free manner. The vehram.org site will contain links for download.
Again, I am humbled and deeply appreciative of the fact that others are looking for the method offered in the how-to guide. I hope to be able to make it available again in the near future - but cannot offer a concrete timeline as to when this will be. So much has been learned just in the last couple of years and the updated version will contain a much broader scope of the principles governing the Vehram Ethereal Array.
As mentioned in my previous post, science has an opportunity to explore this objective phenomenon in ways that it has not been able to explore our subjective experiences. By establishing the objective nature of the phenomenon, one may conclude that the experience itself must also be real. Stated simply, one cannot say the phenomenon is real but that the experience of it (i.e., the event of separation) is not.
While the site is still in development, I am working arduently to bring it up as soon as possible. The goal is to do this in the most scientifically respectful way possible. In order to establish "independent observability" one must ensure the subject participating in a particular study has no previous knowledge. If I had it to do all over again, I suppose I would have obatained a PhD first and conducted the research before publishing. However, having said that, I have no regrets, save one: that I cannot make it available at this time. To do so would undermine attempts to prove that it is independently observable.
Please know that I understand how important this discovery is to all of us who are searching for answers. The questions many are asking are the very same questions that I once so desparately sought answers for, myself. "How can I get out of my body? What is the easiest method? Are these experiences real or imaginary? Where's the proof?"
The wheels of science often turn slowly, but I will not give up until this is done. In the mean time, there is much we can do together. I ask anyone who has had an experience with the Vehram Ethereal Array to send me an email detailing your story. - vessenhopkins@vehram.org - I will be able to use this data to help convince other scientists that this ethereal array is worth looking in to. All that is needed are independent studies conducted under double-blind conditions to prove independent observability. Certainly it comes down to funding. Convincing a research institution to allocate funding to such a project means they have to beleive it will be worth the investment.
Your enthusiasm and emotional support are of immeasurable value, and I will make every effort possible to honor it. One of the best ways I know of to do that is to make this information available as soon as possible. So, now I am working on the site... :-)
Thank you all so much! Please keep checking in...
P.S. www.vehram.org is the ONLY official site for the Vehram Energy System, now known as the "Vehram Ethereal Array"
Kindest Regards,
Vessen E. Hopkins
Author, "Out-of-Body Experiences: The Vehram Energy System"
Hello all,
I am very excited to announce that the Vehram System will be returning to the world-wide-web in early 2014! The site is almost complete and the new book is in the final stages of completion as well. Anyone wanting to be notified of its release may log on to the www.vehram.org site and click the link to submit their email address. (You can also catch a glimpse of the new book cover)
The new book is titled "Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Ethereal Array" and explores the full science behind the Vehram System, while offering what has been viewed by many as the most complete and fundamentally accurate technique to achieve out-of-body experiences. Due to the tremendous success of the original method, as reported by many of you who have used it, the method has not been changed from the original. There will be a few clarifications based on the latest research, and I expect it will shed much light with regard to the nature of this phenomenon.
I look forward to sharing more information in the near future and have set a deadline of no more than 60 days for its release. I encourage you to please share this with your friends and family. Anyone who is curious about the hard-core science behind this natural capability I believe will be highly interested in the emerging science behind the Vehram System. It will be available exclusively in pdf format to enable world-wide instant delivery as well as to save on trees!
Thanks so much for your continued interest and involvement in this project!
Kindest Regards,
Vessen E. Hopkins
Author, "Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Ethereal Array"
I for one am very happy to hear this. Thank You for the update Vessen! :-)
I have frequented your website often, patiently awaiting your up to date book and further findings on AP in general.
I have used and actually still do use your Vehram System today. But I have modified a few things to fit my own style.
Please keep us updated on any further information regarding your new book release and any other valid AP info you would like to share here.
Thank You! :-)
I am impatient to read the updated ebook.
Hello everyone,
I am very excited to announce the brand new release of "Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Ethereal Array," 2014 ed., available at www.vehram.org - which explores the science behind this bio-external ethereal energy system and provides what a growing number of practitioners consider to be the easiest method ever developed for achieving out-of-body experiences.
The new book is a culmination of more than 20 years of exploration into the source of the vibrational surge and details the journey of how this discovery came about, why independent observation of its specific behaviors cannot be the result of hallucination, and how others may use the VEA to astral project.
The Vehram Ethereal Array is located outside the human body in a specific geometric configuration, the existence of which demonstrates consciousness is separating in a manner that is 3-dimensionally removed from the physical body. Because the VEA is the first extra-physical phenomenon found to mirror strict fundamental principles of physics governing quantum mechanical waveforms, it is the first metaphysical breakthrough capable of offering a scientific approach to what has long been viewed as a purely subjective phenomenon.
In addition to providing a logical proof of the validity of out-of-body experiences, the book provides the highly sought after technique included in the first guide, which enables the practitioner to gain complete control over the hypnagogic-induction process, allowing transition into the prelaunch state in a matter of seconds - no long relaxation sessions, no more failed launches due to an inability to attain the vibrations. As an update to the method, the new technique also provides instruction for separation without the vibrations and explains why these out-of-body experiences are slightly different from those that use the vibrations (one is a RTZ type projection while the other is a spiritual plane projection).
Share this link www.vehram.org and share the knowledge that humanity has a newfound ethereal power. Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Ethereal Array is a must read for anyone who is interested in the real science behind the "supernatural" or simply wants the easiest method for having out-of-body experiences!
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Yours Truly,
Vessen E Hopkins
Author, "Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Ethereal Array"
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I have been using my own modified version of your technique since your last guide a couple of years ago.
Once I have created a good NP focus using the 6 points, I begin to ALLOW those points to pull back in my direction. After awhile of this, I begin a tug o war of sorts where I have the points pulling each other, with me in the middle feeling the entire process.
The points that pull always have to be opposing each other though. Then as an encore I begin to rotate the 4 points around me horizontally, then I start the top and bottom points rotating as well vertically. It creates some amazing sensations! It's almost like being in some kind of vehicle or ride at the Carnival that spins and twists! :-)
I know all that isn't necessary, but it is great to practice and strengthens my hold on my NP focus.
I shall be purchasing your book tomorrow though.
Lionheart,
Thank you so much for sharing that - very fascinating! I find your experience first of all confirming of consciousness ability to manipulate quantum ethereal geometries as well as being complimentary to other principles of quantum mechanics. The idea that you feel an interaction inside the ethereal body makes me wonder if what you feel are the effects of field generation caused by moving charges. In physics, a moving charge, such as an electron undergoing acceleration, generates a magnetic field and induces effects in the fields of other nearby charges. It would make sense that by accelerating the external points of the VEA, you would feel torsion field effects due to interactions of the generated ethereal field and the presence of charged chakras inside the ethereal body. Nice food for thought!
Ordering rigt now! :-). Thank you for your product!
Thanks for your work! I was paticularely happy to have a glimpse on the Orch-OR/microtubules topic, since I'm especially interested with this theory!
I'll try to practice on your system and will update on progress
Quote from: holygift33 on February 27, 2014, 11:18:23
Thanks for your work! I was paticularely happy to have a glimpse on the Orch-OR/microtubules topic, since I'm especially interested with this theory!
I'll try to practice on your system and will update on progress
Here is a link for any one else, myself included, lol, that didn't know what the Orch-OR Theory/Microtubules topic is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orch-OR
Another great link for those interested in the Orch-Or Theory:
http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/documents/fnint-06-0009321.pdf
Also wanted to mention that new efforts are being made toward potential detection of the Vehram Ethereal Array - I am currently in discussions with scientists to devise a quantum mechanical experiment to determine whether the VEA may cause perturbations in nano-tube structure's quantum state. Thank you all very much for your continued interest in this subject! Will keep you posted...
Hello everyone, it has been a while since my last post (more than 2 years!!). I've been really busy!
At the time of the last progress report I was still attending the University of Texas at Arlington as a physics major, in an effort to better understand the Vehram System. I am proud and fortunate to say that I graduated this past Spring (2016), and I just want to tell you that not only was the physics worth learning (the universe is so awesome!), but that critical insights were made into the true nature of the Vehram Ethereal Array. If science can wrap its head around this discovery (and I know it can), it will absolutely forever alter our fundamental understanding of the physical universe, while offering the first scientific proof of separation of consciousness from the physical body!
To this end, I wanted to give you all a heads up - as the group forum that has supported this discovery and helped launch the Vehram System into the public's conscience, I wanted you to be among the first to know the critical insight that has been made. This has never been explicitly stated in any of the previous books I have written, and it will certainly alter the theoretical approach going forward, but here it is: the Vehram Ethereal Array is a quantum mechanically governed system of ethereal matter and energy. To a theoretical physicist, that statement's scientific implications should be understood, but to most people (scientists included) the true significance of what this means may not likely be obvious.
In short, quantum mechanical systems are objectively governed features of nature (not subjective, not hallucinatory). If the Vehram System is a quantum mechanical system, then it absolutely must be real - and so is the out-of-body state. A form of matter and energy located outside the physical body with which consciousness can interact and thus independently observe its universal and objectively governed behaviors proves the separation of the ethereal body - and along with it, consciousness. The full explanation of how consciousness integrates with matter (physical and ethereal) to perceive its environment forms the first complete theoretical framework for the out-of-body experience, as well as consciousness itself, but it also says something of fundamental importance about the universe we live in. Interestingly, science has detected vast amounts of unseen mass and energy in the universe, a direct prediction of the emerging theory in terms of how one can measure quantum mechanical systems that are non-electromagnetic (by gravity - all mass in the universe exerts gravitational influence - even ethereal matter would).
It should also be noted that if consciousness can utilize either type of material body (physical or ethereal), then one consequence is that consciousness must have no dependence on either body for its fundamental existence. The properties consciousness must possess, in order to manifest across a multi-matter/energy spectrum, mean that it cannot be the product of that spectrum but must have a "superposition" beyond. The Vehram Ethereal Array does indeed prove the out-of-body experience, the existence of the soul, and life after death - all in one fell swoop!! For those interested, the www.vehram.org website is fully operational, but some new changes are coming soon. Expect a new design, new book, a discussion forum and blog. You can like/follow vehram.org or me (Vessen Hopkins) on Facebook for latest updates. Working on new video series going up on the site soon and much more so really excited about the future!!
Thank you all so much for your support over the years - this post was initiated in 2009 by a forum member and has become one of the top 3 most popular/viewed threads on this forum!!
Thank You for the update Vessen. I am still a active practitioner of your technique. I spoke more about it in this thread here using my former name here "Lionheart". I use your technique as a "launch pad" for a NP adventure.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/how_exactly_do_you_perform_the_phantom_wiggle_method-t44583.0.html
Once done correctly, you "know" for certain that there is a untapped energy that surrounds our vessels, that one day mainstream Science will be able to tap into. But, it takes quite a bit of practice to be able to access it on a regular basis. This technique is not for the "looky loos". You need to already have the ability to hold a strong NP focus for a lengthy amount of time to find success with this one.
As per our last conversation via a PM, does your new book contain more application and how to, more then based on "theory"?
Re: As per our last conversation via a PM, does your new book contain more application and how to, more then based on "theory"?
I took your comments to heart in our previous conversation and this book will indeed be sufficient on application (and will be much longer than previous works). My main objective remains, however, to expose the science hidden from our physical senses. As a scientist, my greatest contribution to readers from all walks of life, and varying degrees of technical background, is to share a straightforward explanation of what is occurring and the fundamental principles behind it. I expect over time, and with greater distribution of this knowledge, others like yourself will discover uses that I have not (indeed, you have taught me some things about it that I did not know previously!). I would like to emphasize an important point in use of the word theory (and I know Lumazza that you have read my previous books and are aware of this, but for general reader's purposes) - from a scientific perspective, this word carries much more weight than what the general public ascribes to it. In science, a "theory" is more than a hypothesis - it has been thoroughly tested and no observations have been made to show it is incorrect. A theory is, definition-wise, equivalent to a Law. In this vein, I use the word theory, and it should not imply that substantial doubts remain (most of mainstream scientists are ignorant about the VEA, but there are a number of distinguished professors and researchers with whom I have shared this information and none have found even a single point of contention with the theoretical framework I have presented them). It's easy for me, given what I have learned about quantum mechanical systems and the background of having my initial encounter with the VEA (not to mention many encounters since, and those reported by others who have learned to access it), to see the correlations between quantum mechanics and the Vehram Ethereal Array. Yet, an evolved understanding of the quantum mechanical aspects did not unfold until the latter half of my degree program, which has been since the previous publication. A great challenge is to explain why quantum mechanics is the correct answer, and to do that, I must explain the subject matter. This could take a book by itself, and many have been written. More than likely it will take a few books to get it all out there! Certainly no shortage of topics to write about, and I would love to write a purely application oriented guidebook. First I have to share the complete science - it leads to everything else. Really nice to know you are still active here! I very much appreciate your enthusiasm, passion, and dedication to the subject of oobe's and the VEA. It is an inspiration to a great many, definitely myself included! Keep in touch, keep exploring, and best wishes in all of your adventures!
First off, Thank You for your kind words Vessen! :-)
People that are new to this will find that it may be easier to hold your focus onto one direction or one point more than the others. When this occurs, go with the flow and just concentrate on that point for now. Don't fight it. That works against you. For now just use the one point or direction that you feel the most comfortable with.
Once you can attain that focus, hold it for a period of time and draw the energy from it, then and only then move onto the next one. There is no need to rush yourself. Soon you will see that you can "manipulate" this energy as well.
I see too many times people jump in and try to do everything at once. This won't work and will lead you to abandon the technique period. Just remember, you need to learn to walk before you can run. Pace yourself and you will be duly rewarded for your efforts.
Edit: A friend of mine and former Moderator here named Contenteo once said this " I feel deep down, that OBE's aren't something to achieve quickly. Fast food is rarely healthy." I have found this to be true as well.
Congratulations Vessen on your successful academic achievement. You now possess the ticket to get more attention from others that our art is in fact real. This speaks volumes and I hope others who have influence will accept this fact of the arts reality and do more to promote it rather than attach the 'para' prefix leaving it 'to be ignored at all cost'.
I hope your learning included the existence of the Aether as for too long it's denial has stumped progress in science. The proposals from the likes of Dirac and others show its reality of existence to the ones declining to accept it.
When we venture into the NP experiencing many environments, there's such a diversity that it must be real, eg. highly detailed events yet to occur, being one thing that's way above a lucky guess, almost postulates its existence.
Taking look into the electromagnetics of our universe we find component energies are spaced vectorially at 90 degrees. This isn't understood fully but generally accepted. It's to do with spin essentially.
The value of 'c' (speed of light) is accepted as a result of the permeability and permittivity of 'free space'. This free space has to be the Aether, if there was nothing then how can 'c' be calculated? If light was to travel through a total void, would the inverse square law apply?
Sound can't travel through a vacuum as there's no medium to interact with and light has that same characteristic.
Energy sources outside of known physics do exist and one day will power our planet with clean energy. This will be an interaction through the Aether and it's yet to be understood properties.
I hope your understanding of the Aether and its properties will change the world view and then mankind will progress beyond the 'selfish kid' attitude that prevails. A few trips into NP will awaken more than curiosity, it will awaken a change of mindset towards a better future for all.
I wish you the best success in your endeavours Vessen towards world enlightenment.
Thank you very much for the congratulations - it has been an extraordinarily difficult but equally rewarding journey to say the least!
Re: I hope your learning included the existence of the Aether as for too long it's denial has stumped progress in science.
The Aether was a proposed substance that was postulated to provide a medium for light to travel through. The Michelson-Morley experiment showed that the Aether does not exist by showing that regardless of the Earth's relative velocity to any potential medium (in this case the proposed Aether) light travels the same speed. (The speed of light is c only in a vacuum - travelling through any other medium, it slows down). The interferometer Michelson built to test the hypothesis was extremely sensitive, and if any difference in speed of the returning lasers had occurred it would have caused an interference pattern between the beams. This experiment was performed at different times of the year when the Earth would be travelling in different directions relative to the sun, and presumably relative to the Aether. This experiment simply proved that no medium is required for light to travel, except empty space. Is space truly empty? No. Scientist fully recognize that even the deepest void of space is not truly empty - a zero-point energy pervades. This experiment disproving the Aether says nothing about the possible existence of other forms of matter, however. The currently accepted theoretical model is called the Standard Model and the basic premise is that the universe is comprised of fundamental fields that permeate all of space. Waveforms within these fields - perturbations, if you will - equate to particles. For example, a single fundamental field gives rise to all electrons, another field to protons, so forth and so on. Light is an electromagnetic wave and is self propagating because changing electric fields give rise to magnetic fields and changing magnetic fields produce electric fields - no medium is required except space - but space is comprised of permeating fields. My aim is to show that other fundamental fields do exist. If this may be interpreted as the Aether, one must be careful to not equate this to the original definition of what science believed it was. It now has nothing to do with light and, in my view, should be interpreted as ethereal matter and energy. Incidentally, one of the professors I presented this to, before I fully explained was like, "You know the Aether was disproven, right?" I replied, "Of course, this is completely separate and unrelated." It's a natural inclination to relate this ethereal system to the more famous Aether, but they truly have no relation to one another. To your point Szaxx, indeed the inability to recognize the existence of ethereal forms of matter and energy has been a major stumbling block for science. I believe this was the sentiment you expressed by your statement.
Re: The value of 'c' (speed of light) is accepted as a result of the permeability and permittivity of 'free space'. This free space has to be the Aether, if there was nothing then how can 'c' be calculated?
The value of c is an independently measurable quantity (Trigonometry is used to calculate the distance to the moon, then a laser signal's travel time to the moon and back is measured - providing a highly accurate speed), but the mathematical formulation is a wave equation - which has a specific form, and one of the parameters in this equation is the velocity of the travelling wave. That relationship is written in a calculus expression that is a bit too complicated to fully explain here or even write without special software. If, however, one takes Maxwell's equations and performs the correct set of operations to solve, they end up with a wave equation that explicitly shows the velocity of the travelling wave: this is where the permeability and permittivity of freespace come into the picture, each of which are also independently measurable quantities. When those values are measured, inserted into the mathematical formula, and the equation is solved, we find perfect agreement with the actual measured velocity of light.
Re: If light was to travel through a total void, would the inverse square law apply?
This is an interesting question. The inverse square law arises because first, energy is conserved and second because the energy propagating from a point or spherical source expands from a particular location into a larger volume of 3-dimensional space - it's intensity further away from the source must diminish because the conserved amount of energy must fill a larger volume. It is an inverse "squared" law (and not an inverse cubic law) because the wave can be thought of as traveling perpendicular to an imaginary spherical shell - equidistant at all points from the source - and the energy is crossing that boundary. If you increase the size of the shell, you are increasing its surface area by a factor that is squared. The total energy in the first shell is the same amount contained in the second shell and the energy diminishes in intensity by the same factor. A complete void would in fact suggest no-space - nothing for light to expand through! The medium it travels through is of course not a void, as mentioned above, but rather the fundamental fields permeating space.
Re: I hope your understanding ... will change the world view and then mankind will progress beyond the 'selfish kid' attitude that prevails
The second chapter in the new book I am writing is titled "In the Eyes of a Child" and, aside from sharing my own childhood outlook about life and death, this chapter metaphorically expresses the idea that science is still in its infancy - only through recognition that the universe is composed of a multi-band distribution of other forms of matter and energy will science be able to acquire a true understanding of how the universe works and how consciousness manifests itself within physical organisms. Incidentally, I truly believe science is coming around. While they would not state it in public, virtually all scientist I have spoken with each personally believed in a higher form of existence outside the physical universe. Some are religious and some are spiritual minded. They simply are careful to only publicly state as true that which science has proven or can prove. I personally have much more freedom, but I do not step outside the boundaries either. Scientists are responsible for maintaining a clear division between fact and fiction and personal belief has no place in scientific fact. I state as fact what I know for certain, but I am also certain that this system is already scientifically proven. The scientific community needs simply to be exposed to the information, but they must also take the time and explore the proof - the proof being the Vehram Ethereal Array itself - and time is something most scientist have precious little of. I truly hope that enough people begin to explore this system that science is forced to address it. I will certainly use the knowledge gained to continue the push. Perhaps someone reading this will take a chance and look deeper - much research is still needed!!
Thank you for your well presented reply Vessen.
I now realise that the Aether re the Dirac sea has progressed somewhat since my A levels.
Your reference to ethereal forms of matter is correct. I missed this poor representation of the question in hand.
I'm aware of some studies on the wave structure of matter and the math presented is above my level. SU 3 calculus and complex numbers being my limit.
The instantaneous manipulation of elemental particles I've read about in quantum physics is very interesting. It may be related to ethereal travel as we can jump billions of miles to witness something that has been shown on a documentary 40 years later from one of our probes. Physically this is impossible in standard model physics yet it appears to be relatively easy in our nocturnal travels.
I'll do my best to obtain your book as I find the science behind our travels very interesting indeed.
I could ask many questions but these can wait. I appreciate your taking time to visit the Pulse and hope that the work you are doing meets with great success.
Steve.
Hey this post honestly has really got my attention. I have created some theory's with some basic knowledge of physics and a little a quantum physics and a bit of particle physics. The theory is a bit incomplete still needs some work but the theory would explain how the 3rd and (4th dimension or aether) interact with each other. I was wondering if you would like to hear them out and if so see what you could make out of it. Some of these ideas were kind of shots in the dark but I want to see if maybe you could build something off of these ideas. I'll try to post some my ideas tomorrow if your interested. :-)
@funfire: Would be happy to hear! I share a fairly comprehensive theoretical model for exactly how this occurs in the currently available book and the basic idea is that ethereal forms of matter, which are also malleable under conscious intent, may introduce potentials into the Schrodinger Wave Equation under certain conditions. The resulting entanglement of ethereal particles and physical particles from a superpositional state directly affects the probability distribution of the particle's position and consequently is a displacement in physical space of physical particles (such as electrons) which then immediately seek a return to a state of equilibrium, thus undergoing an acceleration that produces radiation of photons. This process occurs ultimately through superpositional states (where all quantum mechanical information is actually processed), when the corresponding wave equations overlap and can be used to explain a number of observed effects, such as the forced (i.e., consciously directed) quantum tunneling of electrons between the synaptic junctions of neurons. I use this theoretical approach to also expound upon existing theory (research the Orch-orr Model of consciousness, proposed by Dr. Hammeroff and Sir Roger Penrose) to explain how consciousness operates the brain through synchronistic neuronal firing, which is clearly a faster-than-light orchestration of neurons in which billions of neurons fire at the exact same time (around 40 times a second) and thus can only be the result of quantum entanglements between particles (in this case photons entangle with the walls of microtubules - extremely small hexagonal tubes located on the surface of dendrites - tens of thousands located on the surface of hundreds of billions of neurons) in the brain. The Orch-orr model requires an external governor to actually work, something to direct the entanglement process into a coherent pattern that can be processed (understood), resulting in the conscious perception of a physically experienced moment (again, at about 40 moments per second), as well as providing a means by which one's own free-will is incorporated to make decisions and use the physical body's systems (for example, the decision and action of moving a limb) through conscious intent. The existence of the VEA demonstrates consciousness' separation from the physical body and thus proves consciousness is a fundamentally separate entity from the brain (the external governor). The ability to pull ethereal particles from the VEA (even if these are for example a form of ethereal light, or ethereal "photons" and thus may be referred to as an ethereal energy) into the physical body, resulting in the onset of the vibrational surge, is a clear demonstration of consciousness' ability to manipulate the ethereal substrate. A direct demonstration that this is in fact what is occurring is not technologically feasible, however, until methods of ethereal particle detection are developed, but the underlying theoretical framework I believe is quite sound.
Vessen, I can understand the vibrations as the etheric body is acclimating itself to the array. But how does the accompanying sound fit into your equation?
I have slowed the process down enough to be able to observe the entire process step by step. What I find is a "exit" doesn't occur until the "Astral winds" or pulsating sound becomes a constant. The same goes with the vibrations. Once the entire body is vibrating completely, a physical exit is imminent.
Now I know some people, like Szaxx for instance don't experience the vibrations. But I don' think they actively/consciously reach for the array either. Could this be something that is experienced "only" when using this kind of technique or approach? Those people do report the Astral winds though.
In my experience you do only get the vibrations if you maintaining some kind of focus on the physical. If I use the lay completely still for a long time approach I will usually get the vibrations, particularly when combined with the "reaching".
On the other hand if I just take no approach in particular, it is always an instant transition into a mini dream with no sounds or vibrations at the crossover.
Quote from: ThaomasOfGrey on August 12, 2016, 01:05:06
In my experience you do only get the vibrations if you maintaining some kind of focus on the physical. If I use the lay completely still for a long time approach I will usually get the vibrations, particularly when combined with the "reaching".
On the other hand if I just take no approach in particular, it is always an instant transition into a mini dream with no sounds or vibrations at the crossover.
Interesting observation there Thaomas. I think this is the difference between a more proactive attempt and simply blending or should I say Phasing into "NP'. With Phasing you don't normally have any physical exit symptoms. If you do start to feel them, you need to actually change into more of a proactive attempt. I find that if you mix the two of them together that it is very confusing and normally will not yield favorable results.
I have been using Vessen's technique for about 3 years now. I have slowed the process and experimented with almost every way I could possibly think of to find the best and also fastest way to achieve. My goal being to find a fool proof method that works for all.
I have ways to utilize visualization to help. Just today I was working with some more breathing techniques to help increase the length of focus that someone new to this could hold. I found that if you first go through a simple progressive relaxation, to get comfortable, then follow it up with very calm and relaxed breathing, that I could inhale very slowly and deeply and on the exhale I put my focus on whatever point/direction I wished and drew the energy back to me to for the entire duration of that slow relaxing exhale. After a few minutes of this, you can cycle to other directions/points if you wish as well. You will find that by using this simple tech, that your energy body is revving up to speed quite quickly. The key is to keep your focus on the task at hand and not to keep looking back at what your physical body is doing. That is the hardest thing to do though, This is I find is exactly where people lose it and have to start all over again. Whether it's fear or curiosity, many people will take that "sneak peek" back and that's all it takes to lose control over that session.
Now for people that like to visualize the process, you can see a glowing orb of light and watch as the energy leaves the orb and approaches you. You could also create lines that just protrude from your body to the orb of light. Whatever you choose as your accompanying visual, make sure that it totally consumes your focus. You will find that soon there is no need to actually do any kind of exit technique, like climbing out of the body, etc. You will just be there. My first hint that I am "out" is I can see my immediate surroundings and watch as they become more vivid. The next thing I get is a feeling of motion, kind of akin to swaying, growing, expanding, rising, etc.
I believe that this technique can bring success to anyone. The focus on directional points has been taught by many of the AP authors. Fred Aardema (known as Major Tom on the Astral Pulse Forum) also created a directional method for achieving OBEs. Bob Monroe had his own as well that entailed drawing a line out from your physical body, then another one at the end of that line coming back at a 45 degree angle and ending above your head. All these authors of Astral Travel coming to the same methodology should show you that there is something tangible there that one can tap into.
But Vessen here is the first one I have ever seen coming at it from a 100% scientific (Quantum Physics) methodology, that is also backed up with a very well detailed Scientific explanation of what is occurring and why.
I am not that knowledgeable in the "nuts and bolts" of why, what and how of this, but I am a serious practitioner who has done quite extensive personal research in a attempt to unlock ways for even a new person to Astral travel to have enough success to prove it to themselves and see that there really is something there.
One last thing. I have to also give credit to Robert Bruce for his NEW (New Energy Ways). His NEW was what taught me how to create a strong etheric energy in the first place.
http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/content.php?130-new-energy-ways
I hope that creating this reply with more of a hands on approach, helps other people achieve success in this field as well.
Thank You! :-)
The vibrations are a purely ethereal manifestation and are perceived through the ethereal body's neural network. A vibration requires oscillation and it would make sense that ethereal atomic structures, when in a decoupled state from the physical body, are oscillating about some position relative to the physical atomic structures, as a result of the presence of this energy within the ethereal body. The vibrations are used explicitly for Ethereal Conscious Projection (ECP), which is achieved through mind awake - body asleep and is an exit of the ethereal body into the RTZ. The other type of projection is Interdimensional Conscious Projection (ICP) and is a process of phasing one's focus directly into an alternate plane - no vibrations are required, and this is also the way dreams states are achieved.
The sounds one may hear are different for different individuals. Some, like myself, never hear any sounds - except for in the earlier days when I would hear random voices while in hypnagogic, something quite common.
A tuning process does however seem to be occurring, and I have in particular noticed that only when consciousness is in the proper state of focus (highly tuned into the ethereal substrate) does it really gain full access in terms of where one's conscious intent is directed. This would certainly appear to be the product of the fact that ethereal matter is on a different matter/energy frequency band than physical matter. Consciousness must both tune in and have the vibrational surge present throughout the ethereal body to attain a state of full separation.
Now, if the entire ethereal body does not possess the vibrational surge, then this part of the ethereal body remains coupled to the physical body. The overall intensity of the vibrations can be great in one area and not present in other areas of the body (one can mentally manipulate the energy into different parts), and to successfully separate, one needs to spread the energy throughout. The stronger the energy presence, the longer one can maintain separation. Once it begins to weaken significantly, one begins to feel heavier and sluggish - return of consciousness to the body is eminent. This raises the question of why? Why does a lack of vibrations cause the ethereal body to be drawn back toward the physical body? I believe it has to do with the seat of consciousness and how it connects to the physical body in the first place, and could also be caused if the two bodies are never fully disentangled in some way.
It is, however, interesting from a physics standpoint that the total energy seems to be conserved. For example, pooled into a small volume of the body the vibrations may be quite strong - as the energy flows into other parts and begins to more fully permeate the entire body, the intensity goes down. This is a quantum mechanical effect in that the vibrations really are the result of individual ethereal atomic structures set into motion - their acceleration and de-acceleration resulting in the emission and relay of ethereal "photons" that travel out and interact with adjacent ethereal atomic structures - these ethereal photons are quantized amounts of energy and the total energy is conserved. This is how the electromagnetic field is propagated through a conductive medium - through the acceleration of electrons (physical atomic structures), photons are emitted from one electron and then absorbed by adjacent electrons' clouds, setting these electrons into a higher energy state. Each electron spontaneously collapses back to the ground state and emits one or more photons equivalent to the energy difference between the excited and ground states. (Photon numbers are not a conserved quantity, but the total energy is). These photons travel away from their source and are absorbed by yet other electrons' clouds and the process continues to propagate the electromagnetic field through the material.
The vibrations will continue to weaken over time, however, as a result of radiation bleed-off from the surface of the ethereal body, where the travelling wave packets do not encounter adjacent ethereal atomic structures. I believe the atomic structure of the ethereal body is set into oscillation about the physical atomic structure as a result of the presence of ethereal photon radiation from ethereal charged particles. This is felt as a vibrational surge and signifies that the ethereal body is in a decoupled state. Without the oscillation, the ethereal atoms are too close to the physical atomic structure and the attraction is too great to overcome - the ethereal body enters into a bound state and cannot separate. The mass ratios of physical matter and equivalent ethereal matter must be highly disproportionate - physical matter must be much more massive than ethereal matter and experiences little displacement due to the attractive force between the two. Only through superpositional interference (actual overlapping wavefunctions) does significant spatial displacements occur to physical atomic structures, and this is the proposed mechanism by which consciousness can affect the physical substrate of matter (inside the brain, for example).
Obviously, all of this applies only to the ethereal body and essentially is why the vibrations have only to do with ECP type oobe's. Consciousness must tune into the ethereal body in order to perceive its bio-feedbacks.
Thank You for that thought provoking answer and well detailed answer Vessen! :-)
I could understand the vibrational aspect of it according to what I know of Quantum Science. But the accompanying sound aspect of it had me perplexed.
I have seen many tests using sound to create patterns in water and sand crystals. So I can see the correlation between sound and vibration. I just didn't know how it all came together in this practice.
The 40HZ frequency has been used before in ancient Egypt. It's the resonant frequency in some of the stone tombs a stone box if you like of specific dimensions that when you work out the speed of sound at the expected temperature it matches 40HZ precisely. It has also been mentioned by Bashar through a channeller. Perhaps there is far more than we know and Vessen is also mentioning this same frequency.
Interesting indeed.
One thing I found as a young child is the total lack of vibrations before my exits to my local environment, this has been perplexing for decades. I've assumed my ride to otherwhere is via a comfortable vehicle lol n
Vessen, one more question. Could your hypothesis also be related to the Russian Torsion Field Theory/Technology?
This is also found outside of the physical form. But unfortunately is currently labelled by the Scientific Community as "Pseudoscience".
A torsion field (also called axion field, spin field, spinor field, and microlepton field) is a feature of a pseudoscientific theory of energy in which the quantum spin of particles can be used to cause emanations lacking mass and energy to carry information through vacuum orders of magnitude faster than the speed of light. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsion_field_(pseudoscience)
http://blog.world-mysteries.com/science/torsion-the-key-to-theory-of-everything/
I have studied Scalar Waves and years ago I began reading about a healing device known as the "Scenar Device", that was created by Russian Scientists years ago. At first it was also known as "Pseudoscience". But now it is being used in Hospitals and Clinics around the World. The first time I saw it in the USA, the company selling it gave no acclaim whatsoever to the real creators of the device. To tell you the truth, at the time I had first seen it, you could find American websites that were claiming it to be a scam. So sad, so sad! :-(
The same occurred with "Rife Machine" when it first introduced. So I guess I shouldn't have been surprised. :roll:
The 40 Hz cycle of the brain is a measured average frequency for the synchronistic firing of neural networks and is also a theoretically calculated value proposed in the Orch-orr Model for the number of times per second that the "quantum gravity" (a concept not proven yet in science) would cause spontaneous collapse of the wave functions for the particles comprising the walls of the microtubules, once set into a superposition state as a result of the entanglement with photons travelling through these hollow structures. My theory proposes that the overlapping wave functions of ethereal matter has the potential to affect the spatial location of electrons - as described previously. It is well known that the geometry of the electrons's acceleration determines the polarization of the emitted photon, and light can be polarized three ways: up/down, left/right, and circular. The Orch-orr Model notes that these three possible polarized states would allow for a much higher number of possible encoding sequences than what would be possible in a binary encoding system. Ultimately, this framework would explain how information is stored and retrieved in the brain, and also explain where at least some of the correlates of consciousness are to be found. Interestingly, the 40 Hz frequency is a normal average, but frequencies of Tibetan Monks have been measured during meditational states at up to 80 Hz!
I am unaware of any relation to the Russian Torsion Field Theory (very interesting though), and my proposal would not require anything outside the currently accepted realm of quantum mechanics. Only quantum tunneling and quantum entanglement are needed, and also of course a mechanical interface between consciousness and the systems involved within the brain.
Thank you all very much for your thoughtful posts and feedback!
Hey instead of me posting on this thread on my theory's i'm going to go to another topic so I don't derail this one. I'll have it posted in the next couple of days there's just a lot to talk about.
Some of the quantum entanglement perceptions are solidly based upon 3 physical dimensions plus time. The part that confuses many readers most often is the immediate proposed super luminal interaction of particles even if they were light years apart. Trying to reason with this confusion I apply a fourth dimension which has no distance or time as such within its existence as its a singular aspect. Then this can be looked upon as 'in or out' in addition to the 3 physical ones were familiar with. The open minded accept this idea as ghosts fall into this category in a somewhat related way. Physics has identified many more and 13 has been mentioned in what I've read. The work involved in this is unknown to me and it be from probability studies.
It's mind blowing for some to accept yet others seem to agree on the concept as nothing else seems to explain the instantaneous reaction. It would make communications with probes etc far more reliable if a method of utilising this effect could be made.
The instantaneous "action at a distance" occurs in quantum mechanics because the particles are entangled - they must have become entangled at a previous time in order for the spontaneous collapse of the wavefunction to affect both particles. It doesn't matter how far apart they are - the wavefunctions of both particles collapse into complimentary states instantaneously when one of the particles is measured or "observed" - in the scientific use of the word.
What this means is that when two particles interact with each other, and before any observation occurs, the two particles become entangled and enter into what is referred to as a "superpositional state." I tend to think of the superpositional space as a higher dimension where information is processed by the universe's space/time rendering engine. From this state, indeed time and space are seemingly irrelevant as far as exchange of certain information, and thus the universe is able to supercede the laws of relativity, where information must travel at a finite speed limit through space/time. Because the particles are entangled, they share some connection in the superpositional space, and it is not necessary to relay through space and time whatever it is that happens to one of the particles (it being measured and how it collapses - into a wave or particle aspect). The process of quantum tunneling also uses the superposition to allow a particle to travel through a barrier, and quantum teleportation uses a similar mechanism but allows for larger displacements in space. Every time two particles interact (always via a force carrier and exchange particle) they become non-physical in that they enter a superpositionale state.
Szaxx you are definitely on the right path in thinking of it as a higher dimension... You would be interested in looking at string theory and manifolds - scientist believe at least 10 and possibly 11 dimensions exist in total, and are necessary for the physical laws of the universe to work the way they do. Most of us on this forum here would probably say that the number doesn't stop there!