Theory regarding AP and OBE

Shawn McCaffrey · February 12, 2003, 11:01:02

What do you mean how it works? THe process of exit? Or what? Too general the question is, explain. I have many theories.

kakkarot · February 12, 2003, 12:47:14

easy, the spirit leaves the body and takes your consciousness with it on a wonderful journey through insanity! YEAH! [

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oh wait, i do that already without AP or OBE. [

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~kakkarot

quant · February 12, 2003, 15:20:29

I want everyone to tell me exactly how they think OBE or AP works.
And i don't mean like kakkarot said about the spirit leaving the body and flying around. I mean, in more depth, as much depth as you can tell me.

That clarify?

Parmenion · February 12, 2003, 16:40:00

Your still being too vague. What do you or do you not wnt to know.I could answer your question as you posted it but will not as to cover everything would take many pages and i dont do brochures.Ive only recently (very) started to project so im guessing if this is how i feel your definately gonna have to narrow ur search field, i dont think many people will have the time to answer with a novel!

Parmenion

kakkarot · February 12, 2003, 17:01:13

how much more in depth do you need to understand what goes on?

~kakkarot

quant · February 12, 2003, 17:36:52

I am not asking for a book.
I just want your simple explanation on *how* you think it happens.
I am looking for more scientific explanations rather than religious ones.

I mean, someones explaination mught be
"I am not sure, but i think that our consciousness leaves our body and roams the universe."
I guess i could cope with that kind of answer, even though it doesn't have much of an in depth understanding or perspection on what *you* think happens during an OBE.

kakkarot · February 12, 2003, 17:42:40

ok how about:

people have spirit and body. spirit is attached to body when born, both together are a human's "consciousness". body is method of interacting with physical world, since ppl live in physical world this body dominates consciousness. when ppl start becoming more spiritually aware, some learn how to use the spirit to move about rather than using the body to move about. where body goes, spirit goes. where spirit goes, body goes. now cut that relationship: where body goes, spirit does not have to. where spirit goes body does not have to.

move using spirit in the "real world", oobp.

move using spirit in "spirit world", ap.

i really couldn't get more specific than this. sorry. and of course, there is more to the human being than just spirit and body, but those two are the focus of this discussion, so...

~kakkarot

quant · February 12, 2003, 18:12:44

That's fine, thank you kakkarot.

Other ideas please if different from kakkarots.

Cheers!

andy · February 13, 2003, 06:03:48

Hi quant,

What is your theroy on how it happens??

Personaly im not sure but ponder this question often.

Peace!

Shawn McCaffrey · February 13, 2003, 06:32:51

It's one big class.

Person · February 13, 2003, 09:06:05

You want the scientific version? Study quanum physics, specifically String Theory. I don't understand all the math behind it, but to make a working equasion out of the properties of the universe you must take out the constant of space and time. There was an article in Discovery magazine about how time doesn't really exist.
String Theory - instead of reducing everything to an atom, it reduces everything to a vibration. Everything is energy, or energy forming particles. Science has been unable to make an object reach absolute zero - the lowest temperature where the atom stops moving. Therefore, everything is vibrating at some frequency. According to their mathematical theories, the 'physical 3rd dimension' is one, and there are some 9 or so more above this. This allows for the astral plane and all others above it to exist. They all coexist in the same space at the same time.

To relate all this to OBE:
Your awareness relates to frequencies. Psychology knows this - alpha, beta, etc. The higher your conscious vibration gets, the more your perception changes. The best way to think of it is with phasing. You first go into a meditative state and block out all input from your current environment, the best state to change your state of awareness in. The less distractions the better. You 'raise' your awareness and build up energy from the place you choose, usually astral energy, to surround you and help change your awareness level to match it.
The vibrations felt with normal projection is a conflict of high and low frequencies, like water waves rippling towards each other. Your subconscious tries to makes sense of the mixed input and creates the sounds and odd visuals experienced just before projection. Once the frequency is right, all that is needed is the will to get up and go.

quant · February 13, 2003, 09:35:11

Person, that's great.

But how does that explain how your consciousness can actually leave your body and travel places.
I understand exactly what you were saying about the String theory, but, it still does not explain an OBE.
In my mind, that still doesn't scientifically explain the OBE, but we sure are moving closer to the answer.

quant · February 12, 2003, 10:14:02

Could anyone that has their own explaination on how AP and/or OBE works post it.
I would like to compare it against my own.

Thanks!

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