This astral/third eye stuff is true after all!

[Stillwater]

Hello, The Maven.

(1). If it is that you speak of auras, I have read that one's mental state of development, relative spiritual maturity, and purity of thought are the prime determinants of the color and qulaity of one's personal aura. There are other characteristics involved, such as density, clarity, etc. that I have heard RB and others use to describe this phenomenon.

(2). My thought would be that it was some sort of mental construction which was generated by expectaions and phsychological conflict.

(3). I cannot say- there might be merits to both ideas.

(4). I should think so- I believe the ROPE technique is meant to be tactile than invokative of any other sense, save equilibrium.

I hope that helps!

Thank you,
Stillwater

[The Maven]

Thanks for the reply, Stillwater. I believe feeling weight would help, as it will reflect all the struggling this requires. I know you're not supposed to be actually struggle, you're suppose to just let it happen, but you know what I mean. It doesn't happen within a second.

I have re-read some articles, and just noticed something. I was imagining myself climbing a rope, which didn't really reflect what I was trying to do. This time, I'll imagine myself pulling on a rope, as if I'm trying to escape "quicksand".

[Stillwater]

That might also be effective. Several of the exit techniques I have read feature the sensation of force as being the prime trigger of the OBE state. I have read of similar techniques to the ROPE which direct the individual to imagine a falling sensation which is probably the polar opposite of that which would be created by the imagined climbing of a rope; from this bit of information I would infer that it is more the feeling involved which is used to induce the vibrational state than any other factor. Keep in mind, however, that exit attempts cannot easily be made by the average person before total relaxation of the body has been achieved.  

Thank you,
Stillwater

[The Maven]

Well, I tried again yesterday, this time pulling on the rope, and got even closer. This time, not only did my body vibrate, but at one point, I got a unique feeling in my eyes, like part of me was escaping my physical body. I didn't get any further than that though, and I was mentally exhausted after that attempt. I tried a few times afterwards, but didn't get as close. I'll admit it, I probably didn't raise enough energy. I'll read about that and try again.

Thanks for the reply Stillwater. It doesn't look like anyone else will be getting involved in this thread, but I know many of you are reading this.

[DiViNE]

Hello Maven

First of all, it seems you are progressing quickly and an AP can be right around the corner!

Just thought i'd let you know some things:
- When you said "and my heart was beating faster and faster", in actuality, your heart is beating slower, but its your heart or solar plexus chakra that is pulsating like crazy, and it feels like your heart is beating insanely. Just wanted you to know not to worry cause you're heart is fine and you wont have a heart attack

- Like stillwater said, you most likely saw the aura of yourself in the mirror. You should check out Training to see Auras (http://www.astralpulse.com/guides/auras/auras.htm) and read up a bit to develop your skills and maybe answer some of your questions on colors\depth\etc...

- The ROPE method seems to be a pretty good method if you can actually feel\visualize yourself climbing a rope. And it seems to be working well for you I believe yes you should add that feeling of "struggle" when climbing the rope, because you are pulling your  astral body out of your physical shell. BUT, make sure your muscles aren't tensing and whole body is relaxed! You want 'mental struggle' not physical


Hope this helped you out somewhat!
-=DiViNE=- []

[The Maven]

Thanks for the support, divine. I feel like the next time might be it. I wonder how it will feel once my astral body escapes? I guess I'll find out soon enough.

Thanks for letting me know about my heart, I was getting a bit worried there. I recently did read it is one of the chakra's giving me this sensation, but it feels like my physical heart is racing! Not only that, but my breathing gets harder and faster. I guess I just don't have enough experience with these chakra's, but I did often feel them during a normal day and thought there was something wrong with me, but my doctor always tells me I'm in good health.

Anyway, I haven't even tried to project these past couple of days because I kept feeling bad vibes around me, as if an evil spirit was constantly bothering me. It gave me fear so I couldn't and didn't want to try projecting. For some reason, I kept getting images of that possessed girl in that old horror movie, I think it's called "The Exorcist". I never even saw that movie, but I did briefly saw what she looks like. Strange, because it didn't have an effect on me until now. I feel scared to leave the safety of my physical body now. This is ticking me off, does anyone know what to do about this? Maybe resting will solve this, I don't understand why I'm suddenly chickening out.

[DiViNE]

Ah, I know exactly what you're talking about it!

You may feel all relaxed and ready to AP, then an image of 'evil' pops into your mind and doesnt want to leave. I also know that 'odd feeling' you are speaking about when you feel bad vibes around you and prefer not to attempt AP at this time.

Do I know what it is or what is causing? Not positive about it. But I know that if you keep a smile on your face and fill yourself with joy and LAUGH (internally even) when you see 'evil' or 'scary' images then they will quickly dissipate. Because you must _KNOW_ that that's all they are, just scary images that cant harm you in any way, unless you let them scare you.

Last night I was meditating, all nice and happy and all of a sudden the image of "Freddy Crouger" (or something) pops into my mind and it just keeps popping up even tho I try to block it. So, what I did was I laughed at it in my mind. I said to myself "What can this little image do? NOTHING. Its just a scare tactic probably imagined by the mind or some negs that dont want me to discover the magic of AP"

And guess what? It worked [] After a minute the image was totally out of my mind []


P.S - I regret watching that movie Freddy vs Jason (Damn that TV!) []

[The Maven]

Yep, I woke up and got rid of it. A good night of sleep is all I needed after all, I felt like I recovered some mental strength. This might sound totally strange, perhaps even a little crazy, but I started imagining myself spanking this evil spirit taking the form of this possessed girl [] Well, regardless of how this might sound, this evil spirit is now harmless to me, the fear has vanished and I am now ready to attempt an AP again.

You should try the same with this Freddy. Maybe not spank him like I did [], but dominate these thoughts somehow.

Be well []

[greatoutdoors]

Maven, don't be too concerned about the fear reaction you feel. It's a normal response to the unknown. As you practice more, the fear feelings should subside. There are some good posts about how to handle threats or bad visual images -- worth reading.

Devine, the last sentence of your last post is very important. Our nightmares are made up of the things we've allowed into our mind, and visual images can have the most profound effects!

[The Maven]

I must admit, I'm still concerned about my body being possessed by an evil demon while my astral body is out exploring. Is this possible? I'm guessing it's not, since I've never heard of anyone being possessed.

[superhumankiman2002]

well, you havent heard of anyone being possesed by an evil demon, because if the demon takes over, i dont think that he is going to tell anyone[]. just kidding but, from what i've heard from a reliable source, demons are attracted to power, some one like robert bruce(is he possessed yet?!?!?!?)lol but they are attracted to power

[Krystal]

HI the Maven

I have found a couple of things that work for me when dealing with fears (constructed by the mind). One being visualising a navy blue cloak being wrapped around, this is apparently done by archangel micheal, who is a protector. Anyway for me the fear dissappeared instantly! [] Also you could try wearing a pentagram or some other symbol of protection.

Also I have found that when trying to get out if i concentrate on love or connection with higher self it raises my vibration heaps.

Have fun [] Krystal

[Vvid1012]

we are in astral everynight when we sleep.  Just think of it that way, and maybe that'll calm the nerves []

[cairnsb]

*Playing devil's advocate*

How is this is all proof? It could all be a product of your subconscious [}:)]

[Naiad780]

Hi Maven!

I've heard of many people doing Mirror Gazing like you did, and getting grotesque or srange images over their faces.  While I can't say why that is, I just want to reassure you that it happens to lots of people (myself included) and I don't believe it's anything serious or bad.

[The Maven]

To be honest, at first I thought everyone talking about these astral projections was either just dreaming the whole thing or flat out lying. But these past few days, I have been getting in contact with my inner self. When I was young, I always wondered why approaching   something to that spot between the eyebrows made a unique sensation. I didn't thought much of it ands just assumed it was a more sensible part of my body. However, I have been reading about the third eye and astral projections recently, and a lot of it makes sense.

The other night, I was in front of the mirror and suddenly entered this trance and started gazing at the reflection of myself. It's hard to describe, but my sight started getting blurry, and then these colors started appearing around me, and this second face started sliding off my physical face. This other face was rather grotesque, so I just eventually stopped. What does it all mean? Why was this other face grotesque?

Yesterday, I decided to try this astral projection I've been reading about. I went to bed, and started feeling myself falling like a leaf when I exhaled, and stop when I inhaled. Eventually I was deeply inside of mind, so I started climbing this rope. It was hard not to imagine it, but I tried my best and just felt myself climbing a rope in pure darkness. Eventually, I started feeling my body tingling, and my heart was beating faster and faster. Then, my body was vibrating, so I knew I was on the right track. I felt my third eye was getting involved. Unfortunately, I couldn't get past that point since the rope was harder and harder to climb. This obviously requires a lot of concentration.

Now I am motivated to practise all of this further. I do have a few questions for those of you who are more experienced with all of this.


1. When I was gazing at myself, the colors were rather weak. I am not too happy with my life, never have been. I recently started working on it though. Do these colors have anything to do with it?

2. Why was this other face grotesque?

3. When climbing the rope, should I feel I am dragging weight, or should it be easy, as if I am a weightless being?

4. Is it a good idea to feel myself climbing a rope in darkness?


Thanks for the help.