Hello,
I have been doing alot of thinking about the astral world etc... recently...
Please bare in mind ive never had any myself, i havnt had the energy to put the effort in really, im just lazy...
Anyway...
Is it really possible for our soul/spirit/consciousness to leave our bodies and travel around and view our own world in physical time, like real time zone. For example you could leave your body, go into another room and try to see somebody in the shower for example...
I dont know to be honest if this is possible, but personally i would think it is not possible...
Our minds as we know them right now are generating our reality... our brains interpret data put into it via our senses like our eyes and ears... Our brain then generates our reality. Without cosciousness / the brain what really exists? Is it just different frequencies and energy waves? Without any brain to interpret this data... nobody can be sure whats there and what isnt right?
So the astral worlds we dont have physical eyes and ears etc... so its safe to assume that maybe the astral realities are generated by information already interpreted by our brains right? Therefor we can change things in the astral worlds using our thoughts?
Or maybe consciousness itself has its own type of senses which takes in new data from the astral worlds and interprets it in a different way to the physical universe, as the 2 dimensions (astral and physical) are not the same, and are not governed by the same laws of physics.
My point with all this is... our physical reality is generated by our brains, i dont think astral worlds are any different... i just think the astral worlds are more flexible and energy is easy to manipulate for the brain to create what ever it wants. It doesnt make the experience any less or more real. It just means the 2 dimensions are different and governed by different rules. So maybe it isnt possible to see our physical world 100% accuratly while out of body...
What are your thoughts guys?
bjb1234
An advanced OBE can direct himself to where the want to go, I have not advanced to this level and just end up where I end up. Yes an an advanced adept can even become a peeping tom but this is immoral/
We do not use the senses of the physical body but what I call mind or soul senses, It might be of interest to you that in this state even the blind can see.
Alan
Quote from: bjb1234 on June 08, 2008, 10:33:47
What are your thoughts guys?
Honestly , my thoughts are that one should not form any beliefs when one is researching the vast unknown called the spiritual world. Lets not limit ourselves and keep our mind open to all possibilities, including that of accurately perceiving the physical while APing.
Or you can trust our masters and believe that its possible, many have said so. But finding that out first hand would be awesome, provided, you devote a lot of time and practice.
I've thought about how to answer this for awhile, because it is important.
You are seeking the truth to your nature...
First having a projection experience is worth the time and the effort, I cannot stress that enough.
When I first got into this "stuff" I thought leaving my body would be something like a dream. As in my awareness would be dream-like. It's not.
Let me say this clearly, OBEs ARE AS REAL AS THIS IS (you now in your current state of reality).
You say "Is it really possible for our soul/spirit/consciousness to leave our bodies and travel around and view our own world in physical time, like real time zone. "
But you should know any answer I give you will not be good enough. The only way you can ever truly know is to find out yourself.
That said, Yes it's really possible.
"personally i would think it is not possible"
First, believe, anything is possible. Trust me, this is real I swear to you.
I can't blame you, or anyone else that thinks that. But think about what you're saying, after everything you've experienced that should have been impossible.
You aren't possible. You shouldn't exist. Think of that. We exist, we are alive, we breath, we can experience life!!! That should be impossible! How lucky am I to be alive? To experience? To be here now?
Why do I exist? It is not possible.
Indeed, it is impossible, yet it is true.
"My point with all this is... our physical reality is generated by our brains, i dont think astral worlds are any different... i just think the astral worlds are more flexible and energy is easy to manipulate for the brain to create what ever it wants."
Well... yes in a way. Timespace is a percieved reality. One could say it's an illusion, or rather a massive self inflicted rule set that we often percieve as the law. Yet we as spirit beings choose to use these tools to further evolve.
But physical reality is not truly generated by our brains, it takes the vibratory information from our senses and relays it to us (spirit beings / consciousness).
As far as dimensions go, think of them as vibrations, or frequencies, one can tune down into physical reality (see hauntings) or tune up into the spiritual realms (see astral projection). However, one will always naturally tune into the frequency that is most close to ones own level of spiritual evolution, etc, blah.
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Quote from: Steel Hawk on June 08, 2008, 15:06:12
...having a projection experience is worth the time and the effort, I cannot stress that enough.
It's certainly fun and interesting, that's for sure :-D
Quote from: Steel Hawk on June 08, 2008, 15:06:12
You aren't possible. You shouldn't exist. Think of that. We exist, we are alive, we breath, we can experience life!!! That should be impossible! How lucky am I to be alive? To experience? To be here now?
Why do I exist? It is not possible.
Of course it's possible. If it were otherwise, you wouldn't exist. Where did you get the idea that your existence is impossible?
Quote from: mjm on June 08, 2008, 15:27:06
Of course it's possible. If it were otherwise, you wouldn't exist. Where did you get the idea that your existence is impossible?
Because it is.
At least in the sense that people use the word "possible".
If I told you that I was going to win the lottery everyday for the rest of my life all by having a random computer randomly guess the numbers -- would you say that was possible?
Technically, it would be possible, the mathmatical odds would be an insanely large number. But in all reality it's not possible.
I think too many people take their existence for granted. They don't question it, they just accept I'm alive, so what.
The point is; for me, or you to have a singular point of focus herenow is a miracle, it is winning the lottery everyday odds, it should have not happened. Yet here we are.
Thanks for the replys everyone,
Maybe viewing our physical universe in a so called "real time zone" is possible... to me it doesnt matter either way, it doesnt take away from the fact you are leaving your body and exploring a new world with different laws and mysteries etc...
It all sounds very interesting, ive recently left behind the idea of organized religion, i was going to become a muslim revert, now im not too sure.
My belief system tends to bend more towards the writings and ideas of Neale Donald Walsh. I think hes a great man with a great brain. I am about to re-read his 3 original books and maybe buy some more of his writings.
I also intend on learning astral projection, does anyone recomend any good books? Donald Walsh in his "conversation with god" books recomends Deepak Chopra as an author who somewhere in one of his 40+ published books teaches astral projection. I havnt been able to find it tho.