Can thoughts on the astral plane affect the physical realm?
If I'm projecting, can I focus on a pencil laying on my desk and make it roll?
I would think that things such as telekinisis, pyrokinesis, etc. would become easier when in the astral realm.
Has anybody ever tried this?
QuoteCan thoughts on the astral plane affect the physical realm?
Did mean to say "Can thoughts on the astral plane move physical objects"? I think that thoughts effect everything in the universe period, regardless of what plane the thought originates from.
The thing about the astral plane is that it's multidimensional which means that there are infinite numbers of realities taking up that same space that you are sitting in right now. By changing your vibrational rate you can move from one dimension to the next though phase shifting. Think of it as changing the station on your radio.
The dimension closest to the physical world, even though it looks like the physical world, is not the same place. It's a totally different plane of existence. I'm assuming that if you wanted to move an object in the physical world you would need to have perfect control and be able to slow down your vibrational rate enough to phase partially into the physical plane.
There are some great resources available that go into much detail about this subject. Just go on amazon.com and type astral projection. I have mentioned Buhlman and Monroe both before because they are fantastic. These two Authors have studied the astral worlds for 70 years collectively and have a lot to offer..
Wish I had the money for them.
Thanks for your reply.
Does that mean that if I project to a friends house for instince, that I may see other people that don't live there in this reality? Would their house even be the same?
Sorry for the noobish questions, but I'm fairly new to astral projection.
I don't have enough experience to know that. I just started trying to project a month ago. Unfortunately I have not developed enough control to visit my friend's house.
I'm assuming that you would see other conscious beings that are exploring that particular plane, and then you might see your friend, but there might be subtle differences in how he / she would appear on the physical plane.
I see.
If I can find a technique that works for me I may see for myself soon.
What techniques have you tried so far and what results have you seen?
So far I have tried a little bit of visualization.
I've done the visualization of my astral body rising up out of my physical.
And last night I tried the Catapult visualization.
Last night I felt a pressure build up in my head, my left knee kind of started, for lack of a better word, throbbing, and my hands started to tingle. Also, my eyes became very heavy.
I have noticed that every technique has one thing in common and that's to keep your focus on a specific "thing" until your physical body shuts down and falls asleep. This is a combination of deep relaxation and focus. I focus on my cubical at work.
Try the following technique for about a week and see what happens.
a) Lay down and become very relaxed though breathing techniques or whatever
b) Start to imagine sections of you body going to sleep one at a time.
c) When you have completed step a and b you direct you focus away from you body. DO NOT think about your body at all. This is where focus comes in.
d) Continue step c until you feel random dream thoughts trying to force their way in. Focus harder when dream tries to take over.
e) Somewhere in step d, if you are successful you physical body will go to sleep and all that will be left is thought. Your sight, hearing and touch will be gone.
f) At this point you will need to start thinking about floating up or something similar without thinking of your body as much as possible, if you are not already in the vibrational state it should start. I like to say, "I am now out of body and have perfect clarity, control and awareness and I am free!".
g) You must stay calm during the vibrations or the process will end and you will wake up.
This is one technique I use. I hope it helps.
Best regards
David
I'm not totally sure if that technique will work for me.
I can try it though.
Thanks.
Just remember that you have your entire life to learn how. A week here and there is trivial.
Good point.
Hopefully, I won't need to try a new one, but how long would you suggest that I try a technique before I move on to a new one?
I would say try for 2 weeks to a month on one technique.
Quote from: dbmathis on January 27, 2009, 09:55:49
I would say try for 2 weeks to a month on one technique.
When you say "technique" do you actually mean say.... this fortnight/month i will try... visualisation... OK!.. that didn't work.. move to affirmation based projection techniques... OR do you mean that each "technique" is say..."Climbing Rope"... no luck move to "Rise to the ceiling like gas"...no luck ... try using "Roll over, out of bed" technique for a month or so....
I use a similar method to you to project (above)...though don't usually use the binaural beats... Are you finding them helpful??
My most intense vibrations, and to me i suppose, closest projection attempts are when i am hitting a point (for you it would be involved in point (f) above in your method) where my concentration on my astral body is the strongest... In one attempt i even got a little confused as to which "me" i was actually inhabiting at the time... At times i 'thought' i was in my perceived double.. Vibrations were strongest when i was most confused...
To you... is the amount of focus/concentration you have on your double, the amount of confusion about where you are situated, related to the likelihood of projection success?
Thank you,
-Newmethod-
QuoteWhen you say "technique" do you actually mean say.... this fortnight/month i will try... visualisation... OK!.. that didn't work.. move to affirmation based projection techniques... OR do you mean that each "technique" is say..."Climbing Rope"... no luck move to "Rise to the ceiling like gas"...no luck ... try using "Roll over, out of bed" technique for a month or so....
I basically try the exact same thing over and over for that two weeks. It may vary slightly, but not enough that i would consider it a new technique. For example there is one technique out there where a person places a mirror in front of them and then over time learns exactly what they look like and begin to imagine that image on the other side of the room until there consciousness transfer to it. I guess I fall somewhere in between what you have described above. I keep the fundamental technique which may be a mix of affirmations and visualizations and it may vary slightly from night to night.
QuoteI use a similar method to you to project (above)...though don't usually use the binaural beats... Are you finding them helpful??
The beats help drastically. They seem to force my mind into certain states.
QuoteMy most intense vibrations, and to me i suppose, closest projection attempts are when i am hitting a point (for you it would be involved in point (f) above in your method) where my concentration on my astral body is the strongest... In one attempt i even got a little confused as to which "me" i was actually inhabiting at the time... At times i 'thought' i was in my perceived double.. Vibrations were strongest when i was most confused...
I try not to think of any body at all when the vibrations start. I stay calm and then just feel myself doing something. For example when you go swimming you can feel your body floating in the water. I don't focus on the body itself but rather that feeling of floating away from my body. With the roll out technique I just roll out, like I would in waking life, no thought of body either.
QuoteTo you... is the amount of focus/concentration you have on your double, the amount of confusion about where you are situated, related to the likelihood of projection success?
I try very hard each night, several times to project, but my biggest hindrance in successful projecting is the amount and kind of work I have in my day job :). I deal with very complex code and huge sets of data and it's hard to focus and concentrate very hard during the day on something like this and then just flip it off like a switch at night. My mind races sometimes and I either fall asleep (lose focus) or I am so tired I can't focus at all.
The Binaural Beats actually didn't help me.
I was slightly disappointed, but I did get better results with your technique Dbmathis.
Not all beats are created equal, what did you try?
I used the Binaural Beats from Unexplained.com. I didn't really expect them to work, but I tried to use them with an open mind. However, they had next to no effect on me.
Try Brainsync or Hemi-Sync, I have had good results with both.
Quote from: dbmathis on January 31, 2009, 17:39:49
Try Brainsync or Hemi-Sync, I have had good results with both.
I do not know how to get these :(
Here are two that work for me.
Hemi-Sync Support for Journeys Out of the Body - 6 CDS - $99.00 (http://www.monroeinstitute.com/store/product.php?productid=1631)
or
Brainsync - Deep Meditation - 2 Tracks - $8.95 (http://www.brainsync.com/product.asp?specific=172)
Remember that these tracks don't magically make you have an OBE. They simply synchronize the left and right hemispheres of your brain and put you in the ideal state.
I have been listening to these for over a month now (brainsync for almost two years) and I am only able to pull off about 1 OBE a week.
One thing to note: I've used bot BWGen and a couple of binaurals you listed by TMI- the JOOB ones and the Super-Sleep and have found that I do get results from them, but not immediately- that is, BWGen have given me mini-OBEs as I listen to them as have SuperSleep (which is not for that, but there you go) and I have projected many times the same day but later after using all of them.
The moral? BW synchronization works when you're having the 'prescribed input' from both ears, but your initial level of consciousness has something to do with the outcome- if you're relaxed, in a quiet place you'll get more results than in a noisy place or in the middle of an emotional crisis. So this does play a part on the outcome.
They work, but results may vary :-D
Sometimes you get very cool things happen, not necessarily what you expect.
Quote from: dbmathis on January 31, 2009, 17:52:03
Here are two that work for me.
Hemi-Sync Support for Journeys Out of the Body - 6 CDS - $99.00 (http://www.monroeinstitute.com/store/product.php?productid=1631)
or
Brainsync - Deep Meditation - 2 Tracks - $8.95 (http://www.brainsync.com/product.asp?specific=172)
Remember that these tracks don't magically make you have an OBE. They simply synchronize the left and right hemispheres of your brain and put you in the ideal state.
I have been listening to these for over a month now (brainsync for almost two years) and I am only able to pull off about 1 OBE a week.
It's a shame I can't afford those :x
You will also need a decent set of stereo headphones. These beats are only effective with headphones. Make sure to factor that into the cost when considering purchasing them, that is when you have the money.
Why not ask the universe to give you what you need? It works with moderate effort.
Quote from: dbmathis on February 01, 2009, 16:34:50
You will also need a decent set of stereo headphones. These beats are only effective with headphones. Make sure to factor that into the cost when considering purchasing them, that is when you have the money.
Why not ask the universe to give you what you need? It works with moderate effort.
Luckily, I already have some decent headphones.
Ask the universe to get me what I need? How do I go about doing that? And should I be asking for the money to buy the CDs or to help me to project?
QuoteHow do I go about doing that? And should I be asking for the money to buy the CDs or to help me to project?
I just simply think about what I want and ways to get it for a huge percentage of my waking hours and have no doubts in my mind that I will get it. Then within a short period of time I always get what I want.
oh ok.
I'm focus impaired so I'm not sure if I could focus on a goal like that all day..
Thanks
What type of focus impairment? Feel free to respond to that question in private.
I had severe ADD / ADHD from about second grade through about 10 grade until I made the decision not to be that anymore. I know that ADD / ADHD is a chemical imbalance and I took drugs that helped, but things like this can be eliminated from your life by a decision alone. Granted the decision has to be firm with no doubts in your mind.
Astral Projection itself is very focus oriented and it may be in your best interest to fix the focus issue before trying to induce OBEs.
My bad, I don't actually have anything like ADD or ADHD. I just don't do to good a job of putting a thought in my head and keeping it there, my attention just wanders a lot.
I have severe ADHD and I've had absolutely no problems inducing an OBE. :-D
QuoteI have severe ADHD and I've had absolutely no problems inducing an OBE.
Yeah, same here. I have the chemical imbalance, but I just choose to ignore it and therefor I have no symptoms of it.
Fableflame,
I hate to sound like a wore out pair of shoes but the ability to keep your mind from wandering takes time and practice. Make your three goals a) Improved focus b) The money for the beats and c) a successful OBE. These 3 goals compliment each other perfectly.
I have noticed that you do indeed have the ability to focus on one thing and that's OBEs, you have been in the forum for the last 7 days without missing a beat focused solely on having an OBE. You have already begun to improve your focus. Good job!
Ok thanks.
I'll start working on those goals.
The only other problem is actually buying those CD's.
There is only one other problem.
I don't have any sort of card that will allow me to buy things over the internet. I could probably mail the money in though, but my father is very close minded, and won't be very open to the idea of CD's to induce AP. He's not very open to the idea of AP period. He's going to question where I'm sending my money, and probably not allow me to buy the CDs.
Go to the Brainwave Generator site and see if they have free downloads.
You don't need brainwave entrainment to project, but if you feel you need them to relax and focus then try holosync or BWGen free downloads- someone has to have free downloads.
Don't consider them as a panacea- consider them useful tools to help with mind taming.
QuoteI don't have any sort of card that will allow me to buy things over the internet. I could probably mail the money in though, but my father is very close minded, and won't be very open to the idea of CD's to induce AP. He's not very open to the idea of AP period. He's going to question where I'm sending my money, and probably not allow me to buy the CDs.
I figured this might be the issue :). My Dad had the same mindset when I was growing up. I will think about this and see if I can come up with a solution for you.
Quote from: dbmathis on February 01, 2009, 17:33:35
I figured this might be the issue :). My Dad had the same mindset when i was growing up. I will think about this and see if I can come up with a solution for you.
Thanks, I appriciate it.
Quote from: CFTraveler on February 01, 2009, 17:33:00
Go to the Brainwave Generator site and see if they have free downloads.
You don't need brainwave entrainment to project, but if you feel you need them to relax and focus then try holosync or BWGen free downloads- someone has to have free downloads.
Don't consider them as a panacea- consider them useful tools to help with mind taming.
Thanks, I'll look into it.
Maybe Binaural Beats just aren't the way I need to project. By myself I can lay down and focus and I can get this tingling sensation all over my body, and sometimes it feels like the room is spinning around me.
Quote from: Fableflame on January 31, 2009, 13:19:51
The Binaural Beats actually didn't help me.
I was slightly disappointed, but I did get better results with your technique Dbmathis.
Been trying some beats out again over the past week or so...
I've noticed they seem to
work a
LOT better on my good quality closed ear headphones than it does on my little wrap arounds i normally use with my mp3 player...
Quote from: newmethod on February 04, 2009, 00:13:34
Been trying some beats out again over the past week or so...
I've noticed they seem to work a LOT better on my good quality closed ear headphones than it does on my little wrap arounds i normally use with my mp3 player...
i would of though that 'beats' (music if that's wot u mean) affected ones ability to project? is it not distracting?
Star_gazer,
We are referring to binaural beat frequencies.
These beats are frequencies that go into each ear through headphones. This stuff is not normal music but instead precision engineered sound waves that balance right and left hemispheres of your brain to produce a state known as "hemispheric synchronization." This state of consciousness opens pathways to a wide variety of peak performance brain states including mind awake body asleep and states of deep meditation.
You can read about this technology on The Monroe Institute website.
Best Regards
David
dbmathis
I have the BW generater cd that came with Robert Bruces "Mastering Astral Projection". I have not listened to it because I am worried that if I train my mind using it I will not be able to ap without it. Have you had OOBE both with and without using the binaural beat cds? Just courious because I have been thinking about using them.
QuoteHave you had OOBE both with and without using the binaural beat cds? Just courious because I have been thinking about using them.
Yes, I think the first 3 I had I was using nothing. Some people may disagree with this, but I have experienced a permanent change while listening to beats, and not just in the realm of astral projection. I started listening to Brainsync tracks such as "High Focus", "Brain Power" and "Super Learning" in 2007 and have seen drastic permanent changes in my ability to think. I am super focused (even with migraines) and am able to score 120s - 140s on IQ tests (148 best) depending on what day I take it. I have no doubt that this number will be bigger with time.
In conclusion, there is much more to these tracks than what you might expect and I have noticed permanent changes in my mental capacity, even after not using them for a while. I would say go for it and look at it like training wheels on a bike, you eventually learn to ride that bike without training wheels.
I thought the same thing when I started using beats for astral projection, so you are not alone.
Best Regards
David
Sounds good, I could certainly use more mental capacity and focusing abilitys.
Thanks
Quote from: owl on February 04, 2009, 10:23:00
dbmathis
I have the BW generater cd that came with Robert Bruces "Mastering Astral Projection". I have not listened to it because I am worried that if I train my mind using it I will not be able to ap without it. Have you had OOBE both with and without using the binaural beat cds? Just courious because I have been thinking about using them.
You don't need it but it does take you through different bw frequencies, and helps you achieve altered states quicker. I'd recommend them (since you have them) just to see how they feel. Then you know what you want to recreate without them.
Owl, I understand your sentiment about getting addicted to needing the binaural beats, but everything I have heard from others indicates just the opposite, ie that using the tapes as a crutch helps you learn how to get there easier and then eventually don't need the tapes anymore. It's like a kid uses a walker to learn to walk, but that is only until he/she gets used to walking and the he/she abandons the walker and walks without it.
-Eva
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