The Astral Pulse

You can reduce the amount of time it takes to travel from earth to the moon by APing. You travel at thought speed. Why wouldn't this qualify as time-travel?  After separating..you need a target and desire, focus and boom...you are there!  Its an example of man's dominion over the universe. BTW: ever wonder where slogans, adages and old-sayings got thier start? How about.." I was so scared, I was jumped out of my skin"; or how about.."I was so upset I was beside myself"; or "I was so angry I was seeing double".  I think their origins were in APing!  

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Originally posted by mar10fl

alright i know this subject is very clouded but from what i know, there could only be one way to travel in time. ahem. as you go into higher dimensions, time begins to flatten out. for instance, 5 min physical could be 60 min astral. and even longer in a higher dimension etc. but i believe in all of these dimensions, there exists past present and future because time still progresses along (perhaps slower but still moves). now in the highest dimension, the 'all-one' i believe to be infinite in terms of time-space. it is both virtually nonexistent and infinitely existent at the same time. all past present and future exists as one moment. The only way i can see time travel being possible is projecting yourself into this all-one plane. or maybe not projecting into it, but your higher self (the one that exists in this dimension) guides you. This would be the only way to break the barrier of time because all time is in one moment and theoretically any moment in time could be accessed. I would like to hear some other people speak of this and share your theories/correct mine.
ive spent many hours pondering this and this seems to be the only rational way to accomplish it.

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it still takes time to project somewhere. whether it is at the speed of light or whatever, you cannot skip moments in the physical or astral.

Oh, I see what you mean.  Well, everything physical happens metaphysicall first.  The ole top-down process.  If you see a weather report, you know when it'll rain, snow, etc....before it actually does.  From this perspective, if you can position yourself correctly, I suppose you can see what's coming - which would be time travel. Hope you're successful.  Maybe you can get the lotto numbers!

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Originally posted by mar10fl

it still takes time to project somewhere. whether it is at the speed of light or whatever, you cannot skip moments in the physical or astral.

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Thinking along these lines... I believe that there is one place where time doesn't have an effect... the Afterlife, or Heaven or whatever people like to call it. I've read several books written by people who have died and then came back, they all confirm this.

Having said that, my Mum went back into time in one of her OOBEs.

That's pretty consistent with my thinking. We're of the earth, but not from the earth. The place were from doesn't have cause and effect. It overlaps on itself. There is no beginning or end. No time. If we try to use our linear thinking, our thoughts collapse on themselves because our vocabulary and earth experiences have no words or concepts for the paradoxical environment.  I like to use kabalistic models as a baseline for some of my thinking which included reincarnation, pre-incarnation planning, and many other features.  I don't follow any religious organizations, but I think there is good truth in all of them. Kaballah isn't a religion but a physics model of cosmological process.  All cultures have their own interpretations of metaphysics.  Right now, I'm building my own using my personal obe experience and those experiences of others, as well as the kabalistic model.  Time is the difference between cause and effect.  Its something that is unique to the observer and varies between observers and allows the observer the opportunity to comprehend what he/she did and build on the experience thereby revealing g_d.  I believe g_d wants to be revealed and g_d shared itself with us for the purpose of sharing; receiving; and restricting (energy/emotional reaction).  This universe is the only known dimension where astral matter is dense enough to allow the observer to exercise their innate desire to share, to receive and to balance (i.e., restrict) energy and thereby, gaining lucidity of g_d and becoming closer to the source. Speaking of religious organizations, I've read (but haven't tried it yet) that when you are AP-ing, you can change your mental focus to a different bandwidth of the astral plane.  This place the astral matter is white, like large cotton balls or cumulous clouds.  In this environment, you can create objects using your thoughts. For example-you can look at the white material, focus on creating an object – say a telephone pole – and the astral matter will form the telephone pole.  You can stretch the pole to any length you want or shrink it.  The astral material is very plastic, it lacks the density of earth's astral material.  By comparison, mid to upper astral matter is very very subtle and easily manipulated by thoughts (astral stuff is stratified). After creating the object, you can tell the astral matter to hold the object in a fixed position - and - it'll keep that shape.  If you relax your concentration, the object will shift (entropy) into its original form.  So this is an example of mind over matter.  The fuel is desire.  Your mind can organize the atomic structure of the astral matter.  Your mind will create the object, you tell it to hold its shape, and as a result, you'll have an astral object.  Contrast and compare....Ok...now...descend back into the denser astral matter called our universe or Earth.  Shift your focus, using a radio dial as the model - from right(upper astral) to left (lower astral-earth).  In Jesus' early years – as a child – he was helping Joseph, his carpenter father, build some type of wooden object.  The story goes...Joseph cut a piece of wood to short.  As he went to get another piece, Jesus intervened by taking the over-cut wood and stretched the wood to the required length - just as we did in the above telephone pole example.  We can easily do it on the astral plane...and with practice, I think we can do it on earth as well.

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Originally posted by G3MM4

Thinking along these lines... I believe that there is one place where time doesn't have an effect... the Afterlife, or Heaven or whatever people like to call it. I've read several books written by people who have died and then came back, they all confirm this.

Having said that, my Mum went back into time in one of her OOBEs.

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In Jesus' early years – as a child – he was helping Joseph, his carpenter father, build some type of wooden object. The story goes...Joseph cut a piece of wood to short. As he went to get another piece, Jesus intervened by taking the over-cut wood and stretched the wood to the required length - just as we did in the above telephone pole example. We can easily do it on the astral plane...and with practice, I think we can do it on earth as well.

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Jesus was a very highly spiritual person,and I think that maybe that's why he was able to perform "miracles" (at least, that's what people of his time thought). So maybe, if you wanted to do the same thing, stretching materials etc, I guess you would need to be at a very high spiritual level or something. That's what I believe anyway. I'm no expert! LOL

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Originally posted by mar10fl

it still takes time to project somewhere. whether it is at the speed of light or whatever, you cannot skip moments in the physical or astral.

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Well I disagree with the above statement (the latter part)

It is possible IMO to skip moments/time but then you have to let go of the linear time concept... and that's hard to do

Hello...

Well, as I have heard from most channeled discussions with higher beings, it is that once you attain the level of understanding that would place your existence above the level of the astral and mental planes, then it is that you literally exist in the moment, in that you experience every spatial and temporal reference as being simaltaneously experienced, and so thus, the idea of time would hold no merit for you, as every type of perspective, past, present or future would be felt all at once.

If the only way in which one gains access to this state of being is development, and if in attaining it you have so proven your growth, then I don't think at that level the beings present would really desire to use the ability to project into the past or future of our world, as such trifling mis-uses would probably be missing the point so to speak.

If there were to be a case that would merit the use of such methods, it would seem to me that it would be a most high and dire matter indeed.

To what end did you wish to apply time travel, mar10fl, G3MM4, and Saints?

Thank you,
Stillwater  

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Originally posted by Stillwater

To what end did you wish to apply time travel, mar10fl, G3MM4, and Saints?

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I don't wish to apply time travel, I was just merely commenting on it.

If I could advance a few months, years, etc into the future, I would want to verify it was actually happening - no hallunication. So, I would get the winning lotto numbers for a future event, play them and if I won, then I'd repeat the experiment again and again.  Once I was convinenced that it was correct, then I'd try to acquire knowledge and wisdom to help mankind elevate their consciousness.

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Originally posted by Stillwater

Hello...

Well, as I have heard from most channeled discussions with higher beings, it is that once you attain the level of understanding that would place your existence above the level of the astral and mental planes, then it is that you literally exist in the moment, in that you experience every spatial and temporal reference as being simaltaneously experienced, and so thus, the idea of time would hold no merit for you, as every type of perspective, past, present or future would be felt all at once.

If the only way in which one gains access to this state of being is development, and if in attaining it you have so proven your growth, then I don't think at that level the beings present would really desire to use the ability to project into the past or future of our world, as such trifling mis-uses would probably be missing the point so to speak.

If there were to be a case that would merit the use of such methods, it would seem to me that it would be a most high and dire matter indeed.

To what end did you wish to apply time travel, mar10fl, G3MM4, and Saints?

Thank you,
Stillwater  

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i am relatively new to astral projection and multi-dimensional concepts. time travel would be one of my goals later in progression not just to experience other times, but to gain a better understanding of the time-space illusion and learn how to see past it. this most likely wont be accomplished anytime soon as i have only projected few times consciously.

Well Mar.., I think you're right. Time is an illusion and as we get older we see it more clearly.  I'm over 50 and I see the the duration of 1 hour much shorter than I did when I was 15 y/o.   My explanation is this..as we get older, the physical body becomes less useful to the spirit and as a result, we spend less conscious time in the physical environment (our physical body)and day dream or phase out to the a different aspect of the astral plan. Time doesn't exist the same way and there for we precieve time to speed up because on the mid-upper astral plane, time overlaps.  

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Originally posted by mar10fl

i am relatively new to astral projection and multi-dimensional concepts. time travel would be one of my goals later in progression not just to experience other times, but to gain a better understanding of the time-space illusion and learn how to see past it. this most likely wont be accomplished anytime soon as i have only projected few times consciously.

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as we get older, the physical body becomes less useful to the spirit and as a result, we spend less conscious time in the physical environment (our physical body)and day dream or phase out to the a different aspect of the astral plan

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That's weird, I'm 22 years old and I've always day dreamed. Time does pass quite quickly for me, sometimes time passes too quickly.

Concerning changing the future, has anyone tried or even heard of lucid precognitive dreaming? This would be the only practical way to go for us I should think to get any real results.

Time in my dreams is sometimes all mixed up like in a Dickens novel where all sorts of technologies that never existed at one time exist in the novel parallel. It is just sort of an awareness of events. Time is some sort of mental trick to separate events that exist in separate spaces. Our awareness categorizes them together timewise but later that all gets blurred into one thing, memory. Could you dream being a kid 20 years or so ago(depending on your age) with an internet connection for instance? Eventually maybe when internet gets so ingrained into your brain that you can't imagine being without it.

another example is when i fall asleep for about five to ten minutes and i have long intricate dreams during that time. in waking life they talk about dream time and how timothy leary looks foreward to his death when there is about 10 min of brain activity remaining. They speak about how extremelylong that 10 min could be in this state. Though it is very long, it has a start and end meaning it is a certain length of time. during this state the person is still a victim of time/space illusion. only in the all one will time be infinite

Yeah right, i agree

I noticed in a dream this morning that it seemed to take a long time but I was not so long in sleep so I think dream time is really different subjectively than physical time. Maybe in dreams we could cover as much or more ground than in waking time(do we dream 2-3 hours total at night) Ultimately time is subjective of course and I guess it just disappears at some level as suggested above.

alright i know this subject is very clouded but from what i know, there could only be one way to travel in time. ahem. as you go into higher dimensions, time begins to flatten out. for instance, 5 min physical could be 60 min astral. and even longer in a higher dimension etc. but i believe in all of these dimensions, there exists past present and future because time still progresses along (perhaps slower but still moves). now in the highest dimension, the 'all-one' i believe to be infinite in terms of time-space. it is both virtually nonexistent and infinitely existent at the same time. all past present and future exists as one moment. The only way i can see time travel being possible is projecting yourself into this all-one plane. or maybe not projecting into it, but your higher self (the one that exists in this dimension) guides you. This would be the only way to break the barrier of time because all time is in one moment and theoretically any moment in time could be accessed. I would like to hear some other people speak of this and share your theories/correct mine.
ive spent many hours pondering this and this seems to be the only rational way to accomplish it.