Trouble

[Slider]

I wasn't trying to cause trouble or stir up old issues with the Frank thing.  But the fact I did lose money I think I had the right to ask after 5 years if anyone has heard any news.

I don't care about the money but I would like to learn how to phase or OBE, and with that I'll drop that subject.

So if you want to respond to this thread please only respond to the issue below the dotted line.  - Thanks

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I'm sure there are thousands of posts that I will try and navigate through as well as read Frank's material.  I mean how many posts could have occurred in 5 years' time? 

In the past I've mediated, saw stray energy and color even had brief flashes of very detailed imagery such as rock formations & architecture.  I've experienced vibrations once, got excited and that was that.  Experienced sleep paralysis a few times but each time it felt like a negative entity was pressing down on me and the more I struggled or tried to wake myself up verbally the worse it got.

Which leads to what is probably my main trouble or issue.....FEAR.

I just keep thinking that when I finally get to that point I'll attract demonic forces and from what I've read in the past few days that will just lead to an endless loop or spiral of attracting them.

I woke up this morning around 5 AM and decide to try and see how far I could get.  Well I must have fallen asleep but I do remember in my dream that I was pushing heavy boulders down a hole where a faceless monstrosity was kept and it was just tinkling him off.....go figure.

Anyway, hopefully I can overcome this, and learn project and enjoy what countless others know about and enjoy.

Thanks for any current and future help.

Scott

[personalreality]

HAHAHA!!

I didn't know he took off with people's money!  That's sooooooo frickin awesome.  I guess he did learn a thing or two from Monroe.

Anyway,

You got this Slider.  Just keep at it.  Don't stick to rigidly to any particular technique or paradigm for AP, explore the options.  And you're welcome for this and any future help.

[Xanth]

In the past I've mediated, saw stray energy and color even had brief flashes of very detailed imagery such as rock formations & architecture.  I've experienced vibrations once, got excited and that was that.

Those are great places to start!  As PR said, you're doing fine... just keep pressing forward.  Try to become more comfortable in those states. 

Experienced sleep paralysis a few times but each time it felt like a negative entity was pressing down on me and the more I struggled or tried to wake myself up verbally the worse it got.

This is also a case of becoming more comfortable.  Trust in the fact that there are no negative entities doing that to you.
Just try to remain calm and centered during the experience so you can use it as a launchpad. 

Which leads to what is probably my main trouble or issue.....FEAR.

I just keep thinking that when I finally get to that point I'll attract demonic forces and from what I've read in the past few days that will just lead to an endless loop or spiral of attracting them.

Then so you shall.
You're right, you need to end that loop before it even gets a chance to begin.

I woke up this morning around 5 AM and decide to try and see how far I could get.  Well I must have fallen asleep but I do remember in my dream that I was pushing heavy boulders down a hole where a faceless monstrosity was kept and it was just tinkling him off.....go figure.

Anyway, hopefully I can overcome this, and learn project and enjoy what countless others know about and enjoy.

Thanks for any current and future help.

Scott

That's quite the dream.  hehe
In any case, we'll try our best to help you where ever we can. 

[Seraphis1]

HAHAHA!!

I didn't know he took off with people's money!  That's sooooooo frickin awesome.  I guess he did learn a thing or two from Monroe.

Anyway,

You got this Slider.  Just keep at it.  Don't stick to rigidly to any particular technique or paradigm for AP, explore the options.  And you're welcome for this and any future help.

Hi PR: Your cynicism is vindicated again... but, I must say you are wrong about Monroe... he was the 'rare'deal... so is Moen... but, have it your way I tip my hat to you were right in Kepple's case... very sad for us all who were taken in,

S.

[Xanth]

Hi PR: Your cynicism is vindicated again... but, I must say you are wrong about Monroe... he was the 'rare'deal... so is Moen... but, have it your way I tip my hat to you were right in Kepple's case... very sad for us all who were taken in,

S.

PR was being mostly sarcastic. 

[Seraphis1]

HAHAHA!!

I didn't know he took off with people's money!  That's sooooooo frickin awesome.  I guess he did learn a thing or two from Monroe.

Anyway,

You got this Slider.  Just keep at it.  Don't stick to rigidly to any particular technique or paradigm for AP, explore the options.  And you're welcome for this and any future help.

Hi PR: Statistcally you are going to be right about fraud and abuse 98 percent of the time... it is the 2 percent of the time that you need to cultivate an unerring antennae... S.

[Seraphis1]

What do you mean by this? Is monroe and his products or programs a scam? because I have really been looking into them, and thinking about spending money and if that's what you are saying here than Id like to know...

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Hi angelic: I am a proud Monroe seminar advocate... PR is only going to be right 98 percent of the time... Monroe's work is one of the 2% that is legitimate..

S.

[Naykid]

okay fewww, lol good to know about monroe, cuz if he was a scam then I would really start to lose hope.. lol 
thanks so much for the response Seraphis!!

PR, what is with you and other forum members thinking things about everything you say , or a lot of what you say!! Whats the deal dude? Are you just really sarcastic, and not being liek serious all the time?? lol I almost feel bad for ya .. *ALMOST* 

  People are going to start thinking you are a plant.  You and I sound very much alike.    PR and myself have been doing this dance for a while now.  He grows on you....like mold or fungus.  Kidding PR.

 

[personalreality]

lol.  nice.

i have this theory that monroe created TMI and the "focus levels" so that when he died he would have an endless supply of energy to feed off of in the astral realities that he created.  like a psychic vampire.  lol. 

but in all seriousness, i always like monroe and i speak highly of him and the way he made AP more accessible to laypersons (non-occultists and non-shamans/witches).  though i do think it's odd that he never really put much practical information in his books, but chose instead to sell his "secrets" for a couple grand a pop in the form of week long workshops.  but alas, that seems to be the way many spiritual teachers head one way or another (spiritual meaning self discovery).

and frank helped me as well, even though he was long gone by the time i joined the pulse.

however.  both of these people have gained something like guru status around here, edging very closely around cult status.  it's like people pick one of these teachers and abandon all other possibility and I feel that this choice is potentially detrimental to one's practice.  but hey, it is what it is and in the mean time i can have a bit of fun with it.

and seraphis, i wouldn't say that i'm necessarily cynical.  more like abrasive with a purpose.  (that purpose being to play devil's advocate as frequently as possible.  i actually don't express my actual beliefs and opinions all the time around here.  i do sometimes, but other times i just offer a different perspective that i'm aware of, even if i wholeheartedly agree with what someone else has said.  it's good to shake it up from time to time.)

[Naykid]

(that purpose being to play devil's advocate as frequently as possible.  i actually don't express my actual beliefs and opinions all the time around here.  i do sometimes, but other times i just offer a different perspective that i'm aware of, even if i wholeheartedly agree with what someone else has said.  it's good to shake it up from time to time.)

No wonder why you are so confusing.  Why wouldn't you express your true feelings on a forum like this?  This is very odd to me.  I don't think anything needs shaking up...why create problems?

[Seraphis1]

lol.  nice.

i have this theory that monroe created TMI and the "focus levels" so that when he died he would have an endless supply of energy to feed off of in the astral realities that he created.  like a psychic vampire.  lol.

I kind of thought that was tongue in cheek but one never knows glad you clarified it...

but in all seriousness, i always like monroe and i speak highly of him and the way he made AP more accessible to laypersons (non-occultists and non shamans/witches).  though i do think it's odd that he never really put much practical information in his books, but chose instead to sell his "secrets" for a couple grand a pop in the form of week long workshops.  but alas, that seems to be the way many spiritual teachers head one way or another (spiritual meaning self discovery).

I take it you never attended a seminar. In the seminar setting they talk about the problems Monroe had in the beginning... accosting the local postman and sundry people strangers (deliverymen etc) to get them to climb in a chek unit to test them and build a data base... remember he always was an educational research operation... not a religion or even pretending to be a religion or something other than a non-profit research institute... so the seminar system was a natural... the institute was even pickets by a local Baptist church at one time...

and frank helped me as well, even though he was long gone by the time i joined the pulse.

however.  both of these people have gained something like guru status around here, edging very closely around cult status.  it's like people pick one of these teachers and abandon all other possibility and I feel that this choice is potentially detrimental to one's practice.  but hey, it is what it is and in the mean time i can have a bit of fun with it.

That can't be helped PR... a leader gets bigger than life even the bogus ones as you well know...

and seraphis, i wouldn't say that i'm necessarily cynical.  more like abrasive with a purpose.  (that purpose being to play devil's advocate as frequently as possible.  i actually don't express my actual beliefs and opinions all the time around here.  i do sometimes, but other times i just offer a different perspective that i'm aware of, even if i wholeheartedly agree with what someone else has said.  it's good to shake it up from time to time.)

That works for me.

S.

[Pauli2]

Is monroe and his products or programs a scam? because I have really been looking into them, and thinking about spending money and if that's what you are saying here than Id like to know...

The 6 day Monroe courses usually cost $2000, which is quite an ordinary price for these kinds of courses if your bill is paid by a company... If you are not that rich and pay from your own pocket, these courses might not give you what you expect. My impression is that you need to do a daily training with Hemi-Sync on your own for a year before getting a full benefit from a Monroe course. Unless you are a naturally talented OBE:r, of course...

In my opinion it may be worth the effort to take a look at AD by R Bruce and his other book; MAP, for a cheaper alternative, see http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_book_reviews/robert_bruce_astral_dynamics_amp_other_books-t31956.0.html

In my opinion I get the feeling that Frank K became ill an didn't fully recover, which made him stop doing any Internet activity.

In my opinion personalreality is a kind of jester, or perhaps.. a kind of hole in the ground, which sometimes looks stable until every newcomer discovers differently.

At the same time, if you manage to figure out how put down your foot on solid dirt, personalreality will offer several valuable gems here and there, which he is willing to share with anyone.

[personalreality]

I take it you never attended a seminar. In the seminar setting they talk about the problems Monroe had in the beginning... accosting the local postman and sundry people strangers (deliverymen etc) to get them to climb in a chek unit to test them and build a data base... remember he always was an educational research operation... not a religion or even pretending to be a religion or something other than a non-profit research institute... so the seminar system was a natural... the institute was even pickets by a local Baptist church at one time...

I have not attended anything at TMI, though I suppose I ought to, as i've said plenty of times before I live less than an hour away from the place.  And in all honesty, my boss is probably buddy buddy with those people.  He worked with some of the people from TMI at University of Virgina in Charlottesville some years ago.  I could probably get some kind of free pass or something.

It just occurred to me that that's probably why I have a distaste for "gurus" and the like.  My boss is a tv psychic detective who has gained a bit of guru status, and as much as i like him, listening to his followers gets a bit annoying sometimes.  Makes perfect sense now.

[Naykid]

My boss is a tv psychic detective who has gained a bit of guru status,

Do tell.  Is he working as a demonologist?

[Slider]

In any case, we'll try our best to help you where ever we can. 

Thanks Xanth, PR and everyone else.

I do plan to utilize the resources and experience of good folks here to conquer this, this time around.

Scott

[personalreality]

Do tell.  Is he working as a demonologist?

no.

he's just a psychic detective.  honestly he does most of his work with local and federal police agencies these days, not so much tv anymore.  but the guru bit is from this "entity" that he supposedly channels.  he has built a whole "mystery school" around it.

[Seraphis1]

Credit where credit is due:

Hi All: I got the idea of 'Astral Mud' from Kepple... I assume that coining was original to him... it encompasses a great deal about the properties of the Astral world... the unique malleability that sector of the non-physical... the idea helped in processing much of Micheal Largo's – God's Lunatics...

Kepple's idea about 'noticing' was also unique... not in the concept because I ran across the principle with trainers at TMI but the unique thing about the idea is 'noticing' encapsulates a lot and I admit I did use it to good advantage... because it enhanced and made 'useful' the process... so take this as an admission that I took away substance of a sort from his work... but I find it better to stick to Monroe and Moen's basics...

S.