True or not

[Astraldude]

Don't know if any of you guys have ever tried but when i finally make it to the astral i want to be able to portray characters in films like matrix,x-men and star wars but i have been told that you shouldn't have weapons in the astral I'm not sure if its true but it would be cool to have wolverine claws and a light saber lol childish i know but I'm only 16 anyway what i was wondering is if what i have been told about weapons is true or not

[Nay]

Interesting that I never thought once to do things like that.   It just seems such a waste of time.... I mean think about it.  You are finally in a place that is more real this this earth and you want to muck it up by creating fantasy characters??  

I really don't get it but I'm sure if you put your mind to it and nothing else steps in to distract you, yeah.

[MisterJingo]

The only limiting factor in the astral is your imagination.
I've not purposefully set out to recreate characters or abilities from films etc but I've done matrix kind of things (running along walls, somersaulting / back-flipping about etc) and used many kinds of weapons. These have ranged from swords to guns to pure psychic abilities (like energy balls/bolts, fireballs, telekinesis etc).
I've usually used these in 'hostile' circumstances. One example of this is when I was AP'ing in a locale which reminded me of a childhood neighbourhood. I was being followed by gangs of human like creatures (they looked primitive) which kept throwing stones and generally harassing me. I finally had enough and changed my shape to that of some kind of giant monster (I didn't really visualise its look, just extended myself outwards into a perceived shape) and started grabbing the creatures and tossing them out of my way, roaring, and generally trying to scare them away.
In all instances where I've done some 'amazing feat' I usually just do it rather than thinking of doing it, and it seems knowing it will work makes it work.

[Nay]

I've never changed my shape!  

I've made weapons appear and I've flown and moon jumped... wait that reminds me.  I did do ki-ball once.. it was back when I was reading all that stuff about ki-balls and found myself at some training ground.  Oh..great, now I'm remember other  times.. LOL.  Ok, so I have done a few things that are kinda like what you say, but few and far between.  

That was like a tidal wave of memory there.

[Astraldude]

Cool you aren't the first person who iv heard has has an astral projection about a gang that begins to throw stones at you.I read in flakes book,Which i available for free download on this site,As he tell about a projection he had which seems to be very similar to yours maybe you should check it out

[MisterJingo]

I've never changed my shape!  

I've made weapons appear and I've flown and moon jumped... wait that reminds me.  I did do ki-ball once.. it was back when I was reading all that stuff about ki-balls and found myself at some training ground.  Oh..great, now I'm remember other  times.. LOL.  Ok, so I have done a few things that are kinda like what you say, but few and far between.  

That was like a tidal wave of memory there.

Hehe  . I don't do this kind of stuff frequently, what I posted is more a synopsis over many years. Although recently I've had a few experiences (and some LDs) where I've been using 'powers'. In a recent LD I was a robot with rocket blaster feet . Not really sure what that was all about. I became lucid in that form and seemed to be flying vertically, chasing another being - I didn't have lucidity for long though. I lost lucidity while flying, but the same experience carried on. I caught the thing I was after and unleashed lasers and such on it before squeezing it into a ball shape and throwing it to earth.

And no, I hadn't been watching any manga before that weird experience  

[MisterJingo]

Cool you aren't the first person who iv heard has has an astral projection about a gang that begins to throw stones at you.I read in flakes book,Which i available for free download on this site,As he tell about a projection he had which seems to be very similar to yours maybe you should check it out

Have you got a link or anything? I'd be interested to read it as I've had a few AP experiences of this nature.

[-E-]

lol, i love the way you say they were 'throwing stones and generally harrassing' you. Man reading posts like these just makes me want to AP even, more.

also, i didnt actually know you could use lucid techniques of 'knowing' something has occured to actually make it occur in your experiance. Sounds like a lot of fun though.

[Nay]

I've never changed my shape!  

I've made weapons appear and I've flown and moon jumped... wait that reminds me.  I did do ki-ball once.. it was back when I was reading all that stuff about ki-balls and found myself at some training ground.  Oh..great, now I'm remember other  times.. LOL.  Ok, so I have done a few things that are kinda like what you say, but few and far between.  

That was like a tidal wave of memory there.

Hehe  . I don't do this kind of stuff frequently, what I posted is more a synopsis over many years. Although recently I've had a few experiences (and some LDs) where I've been using 'powers'. In a recent LD I was a robot with rocket blaster feet . Not really sure what that was all about. I became lucid in that form and seemed to be flying vertically, chasing another being - I didn't have lucidity for long though. I lost lucidity while flying, but the same experience carried on. I caught the thing I was after and unleashed lasers and such on it before squeezing it into a ball shape and throwing it to earth.

And no, I hadn't been watching any manga before that weird experience  

    I trust you haven't.

[MisterJingo]

lol, i love the way you say they were 'throwing stones and generally harrassing' you. Man reading posts like these just makes me want to AP even, more.

also, i didnt actually know you could use lucid techniques of 'knowing' something has occured to actually make it occur in your experiance. Sounds like a lot of fun though.

Well, the example where I changed shape to scare the beings off, I just sort of did it with no premeditation. So it is like a 'knowing' (I just do something and it happens, perhaps if I planned it out beforehand it wouldn't work as I'd be hesitant).
Theres a lot of experiences like this, such as when I pushed a car from a tower block, then felt bad about it, so I stretched my arms down many floors, grabbed the car and pulled it back in. This was just a spare of the moment thing.

Ps: I'd just like to add that for every experience like this there are 20 where I just wander aimlessly about or float about my house.

[Nay]

lol, i love the way you say they were 'throwing stones and generally harrassing' you. Man reading posts like these just makes me want to AP even, more.

also, i didnt actually know you could use lucid techniques of 'knowing' something has occured to actually make it occur in your experiance. Sounds like a lot of fun though.

Oh, yeah you can!

Years ago, I believe I was in my teens.  I had a vivid dream where a werewolf was chasing me around a some room.  Instead of making a weapon to defend myself, I wanted to take a picture of the wolf.... *I have no idea what I was thinking*   So, I tried to create a camera.  Instead of a camera.. it became a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.. I swear.     I tried to take the picture though but woke up laughing.  I do believe it takes a bit of pratice to get the good weapons going.

Last weapon I created was a double barrel shot gun.  That became my zombie killing weapon.  I still have not figured out why it always took two shots to kill them.. hmmmmmm..

[-E-]

lmao, woulda been funny if you were wishing for a mac 10 to shoot him and u ended up with a peanut butter sandwhich. he woulda laughed so hard, then probly killed u.

hehe, by the way misterjingo and Nay , what are your methods for AP as you seem to be able to achieve it effectively.

[Astraldude]

Hey MisterJingo

Here is the link you asked for it is in .Doc format if you wish i can give you the link to the .Pdf format.

http://www.astralsociety.com/downloads/flakes_book.doc

Just for quick reference i have posted the extract from the book below, even though i would recommend reading the whole book as it is a good read. If you are an experienced projector then it may not interest you that much but the author does write of many of his own experiences that some people may recognize as similar to their own.

The Extract

"I woke up, was about to sleep again. For some reason I started thinking about walking in a tunnel. I walked a bit and a gang came along and started to throw bricks at me, I ran away to the opposite side. Another gang came along, they had bricks too, but they threw the bricks at the other gang. So now there was a gang bang in the tunnel. I found a door on the side of the tunnel and opened it, I came out to the city. (At this point everything is still a thought, and still a conscious one I might add.) I then see some huge rocks that I jump up to, as I jump I get this feeling of it maybe being real, the thought got more vivid. Then, all of a sudden I actually see the place behind my closed eyelids, but only for like two seconds, then it all ended. Perhaps if I wouldn't have gotten so excited it would have lasted longer..."

[MisterJingo]

hehe, by the way misterjingo and Nay , what are your methods for AP as you seem to be able to achieve it effectively.

I'm currently developing some methods for AP after many years of trying those advocated by authors and gurus (with little long term success). I'm coming to the conclusion that most methods produce AP indirectly; by this I mean that all the visualisations, created energy structures, tactile visualisations etc seen in literature are not actually the causes of projection when using such techniques. The cause is actually the deeply relaxed trance states and focus moved away from the body (by focusing on above and other techniques) which produce the projection.
I've also discovered just how useful a tool hypnogogic images are in AP (rather than ignoring them and trying to keep the mind blank).
Perhaps when I have a system which works, I'll post about it .

For now, my best advice would be to utilise natural sleep rhythms (such as take afternoon naps, get a decent nights sleep etc). Meditate! It seems that daily exposure to altered states of consciousness significantly increase my AP frequency, it also allows me to stay lucid and focused in much deeper states of relaxation (such states where I would usually be asleep). A regular meditation practice (when carried out correctly) can be as little as 15 minutes a day.
Focus on hypnogogics where possible whilst trying to stay aware. I've had a lot of projections from simply watching hypnogogics and not falling asleep.

As with anything, these things take time though .

Edit: I'd just like to add that it might be detrimental to try and classify experiences into LDs, OBEs, and Hypnogogic scenarios etc. My experience has taught me that AP can occur when one is completely aware of the body, but most people are looking for a solid experience with no body awareness, so they pass over things which might actually be AP. It seems such states are active below our surface mind constantly, but external stimulus is much stronger and washes them out. The art is to try and reduce external stimulus whilst increasing our awareness of these internal processes.

[jub jub]

hehe, by the way misterjingo and Nay , what are your methods for AP as you seem to be able to achieve it effectively.

I'm currently developing some methods for AP after many years of trying those advocated by authors and gurus (with little long term success). I'm coming to the conclusion that most methods produce AP indirectly; by this I mean that all the visualisations, created energy structures, tactile visualisations etc seen in literature are not actually the causes of projection when using such techniques. The cause is actually the deeply relaxed trance states and focus moved away from the body (by focusing on above and other techniques) which produce the projection.
I've also discovered just how useful a tool hypnogogic images are in AP (rather than ignoring them and trying to keep the mind blank).
Perhaps when I have a system which works, I'll post about it .

For now, my best advice would be to utilise natural sleep rhythms (such as take afternoon naps, get a decent nights sleep etc). Meditate! It seems that daily exposure to altered states of consciousness significantly increase my AP frequency, it also allows me to stay lucid and focused in much deeper states of relaxation (such states where I would usually be asleep). A regular meditation practice (when carried out correctly) can be as little as 15 minutes a day.
Focus on hypnogogics where possible whilst trying to stay aware. I've had a lot of projections from simply watching hypnogogics and not falling asleep.

As with anything, these things take time though .

Edit: I'd just like to add that it might be detrimental to try and classify experiences into LDs, OBEs, and Hypnogogic scenarios etc. My experience has taught me that AP can occur when one is completely aware of the body, but most people are looking for a solid experience with no body awareness, so they pass over things which might actually be AP. It seems such states are active below our surface mind constantly, but external stimulus is much stronger and washes them out. The art is to try and reduce external stimulus whilst increasing our awareness of these internal processes.

Ditto to what Mr Jingo said. I've also noticed that by meditating before I fall asleep, I have a more frequent success rate of having an OBE.

One factor that seems to work for me is opening of the crown chakra.  If I see a purple blob while in the hypnogagic state, I'm bound to AP later that night!

[CFTraveler]

One factor that seems to work for me is opening of the crown chakra. If I see a purple blob while in the hypnogagic state, I'm bound to AP later that night!

Does that mean that if you see the purple blob your crown ckakra is open?

[jub jub]

One factor that seems to work for me is opening of the crown chakra. If I see a purple blob while in the hypnogagic state, I'm bound to AP later that night!

Does that mean that if you see the purple blob your crown ckakra is open?

That's what I meant.  :redface: