Trying obe4u techniques

[WhiteMonkey]

Hey Luffy,

first of all gratulation to your discipline in trying so hard that's really inspiring.

Here are the mistakes you make with this technique I read out of your posts:

- it doesn't matter if you awake with or without movement
- it doesn't really matter if you wake up or not in the middle of the night(waking up might be better but its not a must)
- if one thing isn't right you don't seem to make an attempt which lowers your success rate dramatically

Here is the technique and some tips:

Optional: Stand up 6 hours after sleeping (the best time would be: your normal sleep time (between 4 and 10 hours) - 2 hours) keep awaking between 5 to 50 mins and go back to sleep with the intent to wake up motionless and to directly separate.
When you wake up (motionless or with movement) directly try to separate.
If you cant separate circle the techniques for at least 4 times. Each circle shouldn't be longer than 20 secs.
I any of the techniques creates sensations stick with it a little longer (basically you are already in the phase!!) and separate.
Once separated follow your plan of action.

Tips:
Try to simulate the sequence a few times during the day. Start with laying down and thing I'm sleeping. Waking up and so on. Make this for successful separation and for unsuccessful ones. In a phase course you will practice this for 1 hour each day.

Try to use this technique in the afternoon on nap time. Leave the first step of waking up earlier out of course.


Hope this could help, in case of any questions feel free to ask me.

[luffy28]

Hey Luffy,

first of all gratulation to your discipline in trying so hard that's really inspiring.

Here are the mistakes you make with this technique I read out of your posts:

- it doesn't matter if you awake with or without movement
- it doesn't really matter if you wake up or not in the middle of the night(waking up might be better but its not a must)
- if one thing isn't right you don't seem to make an attempt which lowers your success rate dramatically

Here is the technique and some tips:

Optional: Stand up 6 hours after sleeping (the best time would be: your normal sleep time (between 4 and 10 hours) - 2 hours) keep awaking between 5 to 50 mins and go back to sleep with the intent to wake up motionless and to directly separate.
When you wake up (motionless or with movement) directly try to separate.
If you cant separate circle the techniques for at least 4 times. Each circle shouldn't be longer than 20 secs.
I any of the techniques creates sensations stick with it a little longer (basically you are already in the phase!!) and separate.
Once separated follow your plan of action.

Tips:
Try to simulate the sequence a few times during the day. Start with laying down and thing I'm sleeping. Waking up and so on. Make this for successful separation and for unsuccessful ones. In a phase course you will practice this for 1 hour each day.

Try to use this technique in the afternoon on nap time. Leave the first step of waking up earlier out of course.


Hope this could help, in case of any questions feel free to ask me.

Thanks,
I awoke this morning (what felt like 3am) without an alarm clock, but went back to bed immediately because I forgot to do the techniques.

I was on dreamviews forum and the were talking about the book the phase. One person went back to sleep and tried indirect techniques (examples, phantom wiggling and hands visualization) and was able to separate from their body.

Is this a way I can separate from my body?

I've tried having micro awakenings but most of the time it doesn't seem to work.

Can someone give me tips on how to micro awaken (awaken throughout sleep).

Also I'm reading a book called lucid dreaming gateway to the inner-self.

Thanks.

[WhiteMonkey]

Is this a way I can separate from my body?

Thanks.

Yes this method is also mentioned in the book, which is for free i case you didn't know, but rather in the back in the direct method section.

[luffy28]

This morning I awoke at 5am. Felt like I was up for 30-40 mins.

I then had a dream about a politicians wife trying to sleep with me. I resisted the whole dream.

During this dream I felt like I was half asleep half awake.

Should I sleep for less time. I'm going to try for 4.5 hours if I can.

Any advice?

Thanks.

[Lumaza]

Any advice?

Yes. Explore the Dream adventure. It sounds like you were lucid or at least semi lucid. Find out why you were there. It could be the "sex theme" was there just to wake you up to the fact that you were Dreaming in the first place. You can control "your" own actions in a Dream. You could increase your lucidity in said Dream very easily by grounding yourself further into the scenario.

Just curious, what do you expect from Astral Projection?  

[luffy28]

Thanks,
Like I said I felt like I was in a half awake half-asleep state. I also couldn't tell whether the dream was a dream a lot of the time. I could tell it was very real to me and didn't feel like a dream to me.

Also at certain times during the dream I felt myself at my bed.

Tomorrow night I'm going to set the alarm for 4.5 hours (3:30 am) and try to listen to the affirmations I recorded for 10-15 minutes.

Thanks,
more advice / personal experience would be good.

[Lumaza]

Thanks,
Like I said I felt like I was in a half awake half-asleep state. I also couldn't tell whether the dream was a dream a lot of the time. I could tell it was very real to me and didn't feel like a dream to me.

Okay, that leads to another question. What is a Dream to you?

Start logging your Dreams in a Dream Journal and you will find many patterns in them. You go back to that Journal after a month or so and you will find people, destinations and sometimes reoccurring scenarios that will help you in the future to become more aware in your Dreams.

For some reason, when people become aware in their Dream, they think they need to alter them. If you are Dreaming what you are currently Dreaming, there must be a good reason for it. Explore that area and unlock the puzzle.

[WhiteMonkey]

For some reason, when people become aware in their Dream, they think they need to alter them. If you are Dreaming what you are currently Dreaming, there must be a good reason for it. Explore that area and unlock the puzzle.

That's an interesting statement. So according to your experience ever dream is a puzzle and needs to be solved or lets say experienced?
Can you give me an example here?
Would be very interested.



@luffy:
for me the best time to stand up is after 7 to 8 hours sleep everything after makes me more tired and everything before makes me not working as well. So for me I like to stand up after 5 to 6 hours of sleep.

The optimal setting for me is like this: read about obe's like journals, books or just randomly on the forum from 8pm to 10pm then at 10pm I will go to bed with the intention to wake up around 4 am. I don't use an alarm cause I can program myself quite good(just lay down say to yourself my body feels heavy and warm until this happens than say I'm totally relaxed and then I wake up at 4 am) works 80% of the times. Then at 4 am I jump out of bed otherwise I will continue sleeping and go to the bathroom, drink something and make some streching. Then I read for 5 mins something about obe and go to sleep with the intention to separate and to become aware and of course to wake up motionless. Then once woke up I do the technique you already know.

Just do it 100% percent don't give the thought I do it later any change. Push yourself through and don't stop.

[Lumaza]

That's an interesting statement. So according to your experience ever dream is a puzzle and needs to be solved or lets say experienced?
Can you give me an example here?
Would be very interested.

I will refer you to this thread here for more info on what challenges Dreams may offer. You will find that when you begin to become aware in your Dreams, that all kinds of tests. quests and challenges await.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams/what_are_dreams-t46705.0.html

Another great go to video that is excellent for understanding more about Dreaming is this one here by Robert Moss. Robert spent most of his life exploring the "Dreaming" phenomenon. This thread has 3 great videos by Robert on "Active Dreaming"
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams/dreaming_is_waking_up-t39742.0.html

[luffy28]

That's an interesting statement. So according to your experience ever dream is a puzzle and needs to be solved or lets say experienced?
Can you give me an example here?
Would be very interested.



@luffy:
for me the best time to stand up is after 7 to 8 hours sleep everything after makes me more tired and everything before makes me not working as well. So for me I like to stand up after 5 to 6 hours of sleep.

The optimal setting for me is like this: read about obe's like journals, books or just randomly on the forum from 8pm to 10pm then at 10pm I will go to bed with the intention to wake up around 4 am. I don't use an alarm cause I can program myself quite good(just lay down say to yourself my body feels heavy and warm until this happens than say I'm totally relaxed and then I wake up at 4 am) works 80% of the times. Then at 4 am I jump out of bed otherwise I will continue sleeping and go to the bathroom, drink something and make some streching. Then I read for 5 mins something about obe and go to sleep with the intention to separate and to become aware and of course to wake up motionless. Then once woke up I do the technique you already know.

Just do it 100% percent don't give the thought I do it later any change. Push yourself through and don't stop.

Thanks,
I awoke at 1/2am this morning and played the recorded affirmations for 10 mins.

Then went back to sleep and awoke at 3:30am and went back to sleep immediately.

After that I awoke in the afternoon.

Are there any other books similar to the phase?

More advice from anyone would help.

Thanks.

[WhiteMonkey]

Thanks,
I awoke at 1/2am this morning and played the recorded affirmations for 10 mins.

Then went back to sleep and awoke at 3:30am and went back to sleep immediately.

After that I awoke in the afternoon.

Are there any other books similar to the phase?

More advice from anyone would help.

Thanks.

Thats such a long sleep from 3:30am to the afternoon. Did you try to separate when you woke up at 3:30am?
Did you try to do it after a nap? Did you simulate the whole thing once already?

There is no book totally similar to the phase but there are many out there which write about this experience. Just be careful not to read them all and then start to make all the techniques at the same time and getting lost in there.
Best is always stay with one technique for some time and then change to another one try it out and then eventually change again.

[luffy28]

I awoke at 1/2am naturally. But for the 3:30am I awoke to an alarm clock.

I have meetings tomorrow so I won't be able to do it till Friday-Sunday.

[luffy28]

Just found another smartphone and fixed it going to see if it works.

Other than that going to see all three to alarms this Fri-Sun. And going to see if I can do the ap alarm technique combined with the phase technique.

Any advice for this?

Once I get a response I'll put a link to the technique if it's not on this site already.

[madmagus]

Luffy28, if you are interested, a small bit of advice that is not really technique related.  

Not to presume, but if you haven't already, read Xanth's free e-book.  Learn what focus is all about.  And I don't mean this condescendingly because focus when it comes to APing has a specific connotation beyond the obvious.  A critical one.

You have so much energy for this, so much drive to achieve AP.  Honestly, you seem to be in some huge rush.   In other words, you sound like the typical A-personality type driven by the need to succeed......now.

Relax.  Meditate to calm and focus your mind.  And, please understand, I don't say meditate like "go chill dude."  I mean that meditation is a critical skill for APing to become easier.   My first teacher taught me that over 40 years ago, and I've never regretted his advice.

Read the aforementioned short book.  Find a technique you are comfortable with and stick to it for a while.  Not forever.  But at least give it a few weeks before looking for more advice and jumping to something else.  

No one has 'the' answer you are looking for to make it all work.  More information is not what you need.  Calm practice and experience is.  Learn how to apply focus, and suddenly it will all snap into place for you.  Voila!

[luffy28]

Luffy28, if you are interested, a small bit of advice that is not really technique related.  

Not to presume, but if you haven't already, read Xanth's free e-book.  Learn what focus is all about.  And I don't mean this condescendingly because focus when it comes to APing has a specific connotation beyond the obvious.  A critical one.

You have so much energy for this, so much drive to achieve AP.  Honestly, you seem to be in some huge rush.   In other words, you sound like the typical A-personality type driven by the need to succeed......now.

Relax.  Meditate to calm and focus your mind.  And, please understand, I don't say meditate like "go chill dude."  I mean that meditation is a critical skill for APing to become easier.   My first teacher taught me that over 40 years ago, and I've never regretted his advice.

Read the aforementioned short book.  Find a technique you are comfortable with and stick to it for a while.  Not forever.  But at least give it a few weeks before looking for more advice and jumping to something else.  

No one has 'the' answer you are looking for to make it all work.  More information is not what you need.  Calm practice and experience is.  Learn how to apply focus, and suddenly it will all snap into place for you.  Voila!

Thank you,
I already have the book and have read most of it but it seems confusing to me. I'm reading the original version of think and grow rich (only available online not / barely a physical copy) and this is where I'm getting my hope / desire to ap. I'm constantly in a desire / money conscious frame of mind toward quick ap or ap working from the phase book.

I tried last night but went to bed too late, so the alarms didn't awaken me (plus the third phone I found didn't work  ).

I'll try your advice once / if someone can explain to me the (or their) interpretation of the book.

[Phildan1]

Thank you,
I already have the book and have read most of it but it seems confusing to me. I'm reading the original version of think and grow rich (only available online not / barely a physical copy) and this is where I'm getting my hope / desire to ap. I'm constantly in a desire / money conscious frame of mind toward quick ap or ap working from the phase book.

I tried last night but went to bed too late, so the alarms didn't awaken me (plus the third phone I found didn't work  ).

I'll try your advice once / if someone can explain to me the (or their) interpretation of the book.

I've read that book maybe a year ago and I used it for what is the subject - money and trading. Now after you see so many books and read them as that, you will see that it is just a book. I've read it carefully, wrote out so much clue texts and when I finished it I was so happy I know something and no, not really.

We can't make the first conscious AP - or whatever the term - happen because first, we need to learn to walk. If you are serious about investigating in the NP as me, you will need to accept that this whole learning process will not happen from one moment to the another. If it will, or you are achieving AP in a few weeks or days, something is wrong I think and you can't reacreate it so soon. We need to learn it, on our own. I think no matter who or how did achieve his/her first one or the next ones, it is their experience, their "technic" and their life or experience You have your own.

Hope is a good thing but you need to use it for yourself and believe in yourself. It will greatly help. Sometimes we got really impatient but it will pay out if there is hard work behind it. Of course that book alone can sure help in other aspects, to understand it. I was not so close even to this path when I've finished it, I was just FX trading and not with success.

So there are certain steps which you can't - as now I know - skip. Remove fear, learn to realx your body properly etc. My best subject is the guides/helpers. Now mine or not interacting with me because a good teacher lets it's student (my guess only for myself) to evolve on it's own. Other got out easily on their first or few tries and got scared, didn't know the whole thing or it is fascinating and not so mature to explore. Or they can explore but it is just a selfillusion and not investigating and exploring.

I hope these will help. Don't give up, but you need to believe in yourself and you can try subconscious programming 

[madmagus]

Luffy28.....Interpret what?

The short e-book is as straight forward as you can get where phasing/OBE/AP is concerned.  Of course, that's based on my personal experience.

If you truly understand what focus means, there is nothing else for you to worry about.  The entire e-book was about using proper focus to achieve the out-of-body state, and I can't say it any better than Xanth did.

I've read that book maybe a year ago and I used it for what is the subject - money and trading.

Phildan1....I have no idea what you are talking about.  What does money and trading have to do with the e-book or Phasing?  You seem very confused.

[luffy28]

Luffy28.....Interpret what?

The short e-book is as straight forward as you can get where phasing/OBE/AP is concerned.  Of course, that's based on my personal experience.

If you truly understand what focus means, there is nothing else for you to worry about.  The entire e-book was about using proper focus to achieve the out-of-body state, and I can't say it any better than Xanth did.


Phildan1....I have no idea what you are talking about.  What does money and trading have to do with the e-book or Phasing?  You seem very confused.

It's just so scientifically based (a subject / area I'm not good at as of yet) so that's why I really don't understand it. Maybe I'll read it again.

Also that book (think and grow rich) can be used for purposes other than just money. Even though most people who read it just read it for money.

Also what do you mean by "meditate"?

What I interpret-ate is focusing on one thing or disciplining the mind.

For the average person that takes months to years (at least for me), but for me it would probably take years to do it from a non-phase like state.

Thanks for the information.

Any more tips / info / advice could be added / said,
again thanks.

[madmagus]

Thanks for clarifying your position.  You are right in one respect.  To become adept at meditation, it will take some time, but just starting a regular practice will increase your ability to concentrate and focus.  You'll be surprised how quickly.  People too often fall into a trap with meditation and decide that if they can't become expert at it immediately, that it's not worth their time.  Most people don't have the capacity to think long term nor to make decisions and create action plans that extend focus and practice.  Now, now, now, now, now.  No patience. 

So, start simple. 

You don't have to find some guru or spend a nickel. 

Quick example:  Find a place to sit comfortably.  It doesn't matter where.  It doesn't matter how.  For that matter, half of my meditation practice is a walking one.  But for this simple meditation, just sit down and relax.  Take a few deep, slow breaths and tell your body to let go of all the tension head to toe.  You'll be amazed how talking to yourself really helps.  Once you are feeling comfortable and relaxed, notice your breathing.  Don't count.  Don't hold one nostril and breath out the other.  Just relax and take normal breaths.  People tell you to watch the breath.  Well, that can be confusing at first.  An easy focus is to put your attention in the center space between the intake point of your nostrils and feel the breath enter and leave.  And just watch.  Be the observer.  No actions.  Just maintain your awareness on the in/out flow of air.  That's it.   Start with 10 minutes a day and increase as you feel comfortable.  When your mind wanders, and it's guaranteed to, just redirect your focus back to the breath.  The redirection is an expected part of the process for every single person who learns meditation.

This simple practice can be the beginning of your meditation experience.  You can get all freaky with it later after you are comfortable.

This practice builds naturally your ability to hold a point of focus.  Holding a relaxed point of focus is a key element for Phasing/OBE.

If you want to play around with various Phasing techniques while you learn meditation, go for it.  But the ground work, the foundation for longevity is meditation, or more particularly developing your ability to focus your awareness on NPR long enough to phase into it.  And to be clear on this point, Phasing into it means that you have transferred your conscious awareness completely from the physical to the non-physical.  You have dissociated your awareness from your physical surroundings.

Hope this helped a little more.

[Phildan1]

It's just so scientifically based (a subject / area I'm not good at as of yet) so that's why I really don't understand it. Maybe I'll read it again.

Also that book (think and grow rich) can be used for purposes other than just money. Even though most people who read it just read it for money.

Sorry Luffy28, I just wanted to help with my viewpoint on that book. Of course we can use up books for different purposes.  Think and grow rich can help of course in changing the mindset so it is ok for that too. Thats why it is better to start to learn program your mind yourself.
Madmagus read that book and you will know it. I'm helping, not arguing.

[madmagus]

Phildan1.  Thanks for response.

The whole 'Think and Grow Rich' reference caught me by surprise, and I didn't know what you were referencing.   I didn't realize you were applying that specific book's underlying concept to this forum's content.  My misunderstanding it seems.  All constructive concepts can be helpful.  Thanks again.

[Phildan1]

Phildan1.  Thanks for response.

The whole 'Think and Grow Rich' reference caught me by surprise, and I didn't know what you were referencing.   I didn't realize you were applying that specific book's underlying concept to this forum's content.  My misunderstanding it seems.  All constructive concepts can be helpful.  Thanks again.

Ok no problem

[luffy28]

Woke up this morning at 5am. Thought about goals / did a little auto-suggestion.

Then awoke to various alarms. I remember trying the indirect techniques and getting vibrations, but didn't get beyond that.

Thanks,
Any suggestions / advice would help.

[luffy28]

Thanks for clarifying your position.  You are right in one respect.  To become adept at meditation, it will take some time, but just starting a regular practice will increase your ability to concentrate and focus.  You'll be surprised how quickly.  People too often fall into a trap with meditation and decide that if they can't become expert at it immediately, that it's not worth their time.  Most people don't have the capacity to think long term nor to make decisions and create action plans that extend focus and practice.  Now, now, now, now, now.  No patience. 

So, start simple. 

You don't have to find some guru or spend a nickel. 

Quick example:  Find a place to sit comfortably.  It doesn't matter where.  It doesn't matter how.  For that matter, half of my meditation practice is a walking one.  But for this simple meditation, just sit down and relax.  Take a few deep, slow breaths and tell your body to let go of all the tension head to toe.  You'll be amazed how talking to yourself really helps.  Once you are feeling comfortable and relaxed, notice your breathing.  Don't count.  Don't hold one nostril and breath out the other.  Just relax and take normal breaths.  People tell you to watch the breath.  Well, that can be confusing at first.  An easy focus is to put your attention in the center space between the intake point of your nostrils and feel the breath enter and leave.  And just watch.  Be the observer.  No actions.  Just maintain your awareness on the in/out flow of air.  That's it.   Start with 10 minutes a day and increase as you feel comfortable.  When your mind wanders, and it's guaranteed to, just redirect your focus back to the breath.  The redirection is an expected part of the process for every single person who learns meditation.

This simple practice can be the beginning of your meditation experience.  You can get all freaky with it later after you are comfortable.

This practice builds naturally your ability to hold a point of focus.  Holding a relaxed point of focus is a key element for Phasing/OBE.

If you want to play around with various Phasing techniques while you learn meditation, go for it.  But the ground work, the foundation for longevity is meditation, or more particularly developing your ability to focus your awareness on NPR long enough to phase into it.  And to be clear on this point, Phasing into it means that you have transferred your conscious awareness completely from the physical to the non-physical.  You have dissociated your awareness from your physical surroundings.

Hope this helped a little more.

I tried the mental rundown and I felt a little disassociated. My mind felt like it was in a different place and my body was in its place but at once.

Are there any actions you recommend to do? [for the mental rundown]

Since I've never jumped on a trampoline for a while. I tried it and couldn't hold it for long since it's been years.

Thanks.

[madmagus]

My understanding of using a mental rundown is for you to engage your mind in a scenario that holds your attention, that has a bit of action but not so much that it over stimulates you.  I am not a big trampoline person.  Barely used them as a kid.  But it is occasionally effective because it is repetitive action that does not require much active thought.  i also use walking down a favorite beach and biking down a path along the beach.  I like to use beaches just because i am very familiar with them and feel comfort just being around one.  In other words, you need to choose something that you can connect to yourself.  Choose something minimally active rather than passive.  It draws you into the scenario easier.  Technically, if you found it personally useful, you could picture yourself meditating at the edge of a serene pond.  but the idea behind providing action to the scene is that it more readily draws you into it naturally by putting you into motion, so to speak.  These are just the theories of course.  Test stuff out for yourself.  Experiment.  No matter what, it has to suit only you in the end.