Hi, i've been trying to induce sleep paralysis on myself for the last few days, and i was wondering if you could give me some tips
here's what i've been doing
lay on my back, head tilted forwards so i dont have to swallow every few seconds, and just lay there, and i'll try to focus on something simple, like the sound of a fan or my computer just so my mind doesnt get too active
i try to keep my mind clear, so my eyes dont go darting around, and ruining the experience, though it's impossible to keep them completely still (is this going to ruin it?)
after a few minutes of laying there, i sometimes feel like i've gone into shock or, got really cold for some reason, it's not intense, but i just feel like i'm cold and my muscles start twitching around as if i were (would this prevent the paralysis?), and usually the adrenaline feeling lasts a little once i get out of bed again, i cant stop the twitching, and sometimes it feels like my body is trying to get me to change position, i thought that this might be a normal stage of it, so i thought that the movement wouldn't prevent the paralysis
once or twice, i noticed sort of a slow wave of some sort, almost as if, a wave of that pins and needles feeling starting from my chest, then going outwards, it was very feint feeling, but it happened, i thought that it might have been the start of the paralysis, but i'm not sure if i was just imagining it, or something like that
also, sometimes when i think i've felt one of the signs of sleep paralysis, i get excited, and my heart starts beating faster, and i think my adrenaline spikes or something like that, and im worried that this is also preventing it from happening, is that normal?
anyway, i know that sleep paralysis mights be a frightening concept, but i thought that it would be a very interesting and enlightening experience.
any tips on how to achieve sleep paralysis?
do i need to be tired? (i've tried it tired)
is this movement preventing it from happening?
thanks
I personally think sleep paralysis should not be your goal as it is only a symptom of your ultimate goal. In fact, it isnt even a prerequisite for an OBE. I remember when I first set out on this quest I read stuff that said SP was a necessity for an OBE. What a load of bollox that turned out to be and it only had the effect of holding back any progress I was making.
Focusing on your body is a no no. The logic being that your body should recede into the bg as you move further into an altered state but how can that occur if your attention is focusing on every little symptom it gives off?
As for suggestions, maybe read up on Frank Kepple or personally I would use hemi-sync.
Quote from: floriferous on June 25, 2011, 09:55:56
I personally think sleep paralysis should not be your goal as it is only a symptom of your ultimate goal. In fact, it isnt even a prerequisite for an OBE....
I agree completely. I have been projecting on a semiregular basis for a couple years now and I am not sure if I have ever experienced SP even a single time.
I am a little curious about it but I am pretty sure that I won't be making a goal of it.
You don't really need it. I agree.
I have got SP when I do the following:
1. I become ridiculously tired by staying up or by hard labor.
2. I fall asleep with the sun in my eyes, preferable through a window.
3. The sun continues to shine me in my face, forcing me to wake up an hour later.
For me SP is when I can't move anything else than my eyes & eyelids, no matter how hard I try. SP lasts 1-5 minutes for me. I can't even control the rate of my breath when in SP.
Quote from: Pauli2 on June 25, 2011, 16:41:49
I have got SP when I do the following:
1. I become ridiculously tired by staying up or by hard labor.
2. I fall asleep with the sun in my eyes, preferable through a window.
3. The sun continues to shine me in my face, forcing me to wake up an hour later.
For me SP is when I can't move anything else than my eyes & eyelids, no matter how hard I try. SP lasts 1-5 minutes for me. I can't even control the rate of my breath when in SP.
By definition that's the general idea of it. :)
You can't control your breathing, because you're not "focused" towards your physical body. It's breathing via autonomous systems designed to keep your physical body active/alive while you're not focused towards it.
Those are actually three good points that people can use to try to cause a better situation for Sleep Paralysis to arise. :)
very weird experiences last night, i went to bed, layed on my back for maybe 10 minutes, trying to induce, without moving, i did it twice, and both times a sensation occured, not sure how to explain it, maybe just like pins and needles through my body at the same time? first time, i moved while it was happening because i thought it might have worked, but it didnt, my hearbeat got really quick, and pounding, and once i got up, all my muslces were very gittery, im sure i didnt get excited or anything so something else must have happened
i tried it again, because i thought if i tried to sit through the whole thing, it might have worked, it didnt, same feelings, pounding heartbeat
You were consciously experiencing what happens to your body every night when you fall sleep. :)
You were consciously experiencing your body falling asleep.
The rapid heartbeat could have been you being excited/nervous of it happening... some might say it was your heart energy center activating.
But yeah, if you can keep calm during it, it probably would have eventually ended up as a projection. :)
I also agree that you don't really need it. . .
:-D
I agree that you don't really need it, but it is a good way of challenging the fear response related to OBEs, & SP can also lead to OBEs as well. I achieved this yesterday, several times- here's how:
1)lack of proper sleep for several days (about 5 hrs/night).
2)exhausting work during the day
3)after 2 days of this, I came home, tried to wind down,.Then I got really tired, so I...
4)used http://gnomad.info/boxed-nirvana.htm (http://gnomad.info/boxed-nirvana.htm)
(part C "Delta"), followed by http://beemp3.com/download.php?file=6381088&song= (http://beemp3.com/download.php?file=6381088&song=)
5)Boxed Nirvana part c really helped me get relaxed, & I fell asleep soon into Astral Trance.
6)Awoke after it was over, in full paralysis.All senses were shut down-could barely feel my body, & I couldn't hear my large fan next to my bed (hearing was shut down).
I immediately recognized the state as sleep paralysis- I havemn't had it in many years, but I used to get spontaneous OBEs & SP on a nightly basis. I haven't tried that particular series of binaurals before that day. I also haven't had an OBE in several years, but I managed to get my left arm out (trying to grab the "dweller on the threshold" which seems to enjoy projecting evil & fear-this just makes me angry at it though!).Of course, after I get angry at it, the fear disappears, as does the dweller. Then I awoke & thought about the events. Then I attempted to achieve SP again. I noticed that the paralysis response seems to come from the chest area while lying on my back, plus a certain sinking feeling which one may achieve by being relaxed, clear minded,lying on your back at or near focus 10, & repeating the words "down,down,down..." to yourself, like a mantra ( a mantra in a clear mind becomes nothing less than a COMMAND). Once you start to feel the downward sensation, just ride with that for awhile, then experiment with & combine the "chest feeling"- possibly an energy centre there, or a buildup of energy there (Which maybe projects outward into the dweller?) plus the sinking feeling. Try to combine the two, then try to be as fearless as you can.
The key, I think, is to NOT MOVE when you wake up, as focus 10 is usually very easy to acheive if you can remeber to do this.
I hope this helps- I worked for me!
Have fun! :-D
Sleep paralysis is a requirement for projection because the only way of achieving projection is to be in deep enough trance, which means body asleep mind awake and you will know it when the sleep paralysis takes over. All this about projecting without the sleep paralysis seems incorrect from my past experiences an im not sure what sort of state they are referring too when they say you dont need it. Being really relaxed and focused alone wont cut it. The best way to achieve sleep paralysis is to try to stay aware as your falling asleep.
Quote from: Loki999 on July 02, 2011, 02:40:22
Sleep paralysis is a requirement for projection because the only way of achieving projection is to be in deep enough trance, which means body asleep mind awake and you will know it when the sleep paralysis takes over. All this about projecting without the sleep paralysis seems incorrect from my past experiences an im not sure what sort of state they are referring too when they say you dont need it. Being really relaxed and focused alone wont cut it. The best way to achieve sleep paralysis is to try to stay aware as your falling asleep.
I guess it all comes down to method of projection (and also I guess how you define projection). With a classic OBE I am more inclined to agree but not 100%. If we're talking Monroe Institute then definitely not. Many graduates do not require total body disassociation. In fact when you do Lifelines and any upwards courses half way through a tape exercise you are encouraged to give verbal feedback into a mic while in focus 27.
Well, my goal is actually induce the paralysis for the experience, not lucid dreaming, i think that sleep paralysis would be a very strange, out of body experience, and it would be interesting to be unable to move due to your own body being asleep (even if it is scary)
anyway, progress report, the other day, i was in bed, i was very comfortable and laying on my side, i dont feel like i was exactly trying to go to sleep, i was just laying there as if i were, just doing nothing, i wasnt trying to induce a lucid dream or sleep paralysis, was just laying there till i felt like going to sleep, i wasnt moving at all, my mind was pretty blank, wasnt thinking about anything and then it felt like my mind went a bit fuzzy, as if i was disoriented, and it felt like the top of my body was falling through my bed several times (not one continuous feeling, several of them), it was very surprising for me, then i realised what was happening
though i must have been excited or something, and the experience ended, and i got out of bed for a while then went to sleep
the next night i tried again to replicate the experience in the same way, wasnt exactly able to replicate the same feeling exactly, but my mind was quite blank (i know how usually when you're trying to go into a lucid dream etc, you think about it quite a bit) and a few times i noticed perhaps a cracking, or a door slamming, some sort of impact sound, i felt as if it could have been part of a dream, or it could have just as easily have been from the world, though i didnt pay much attention to it (at the time it just felt as if it was normal or insignificant for some reason), and afterwards i wandered if the sounds were real or in my head , i tried this a few times that night with that same result a couple times, most times i was able to stay calm, without the adrenaline/excitement kicking in
anyway, once i noticed what was happening.
i wasnt particularly exhausted either time also, for anyone else who wants to try.
so theres 2 "symptoms", falling through my bed, and probably the sounds you hear as your body is going to sleep (cant remember what it's called) i had read about, so i think i understand the process a little better now
falling through my bed felt very strange, it was a cool experience for me
oh also, whether i need it or not, my goal for this thread is to experience sleep paralysis, i've lucid dreamed a few times before (on accident i think, usually in the morning just before i get up for real), but yeah, i want to do it for the paralysis feeling, and the other effects related to it
edit: also i may have experienced the start of that wave of heaviness you experience as your body shut down, it wasnt too noticable and it seemed to stop by the time it got to my shoulders, may have just been something else
Quote from: Loki999 on July 02, 2011, 02:40:22
Sleep paralysis is a requirement for projection because the only way of achieving projection is to be in deep enough trance, which means body asleep mind awake and you will know it when the sleep paralysis takes over. All this about projecting without the sleep paralysis seems incorrect from my past experiences an im not sure what sort of state they are referring too when they say you dont need it. Being really relaxed and focused alone wont cut it. The best way to achieve sleep paralysis is to try to stay aware as your falling asleep.
You don't need SP at all to have an OBE both noticing or not noticing it. Using sleep it is just one of the easiest ways to have the experience, since your body does everything automatically for you. The drawback: it is passive.
Quoting what I did write in another thread on the approaches to enter the state:
Approach one: you use REM sleep to enter the subconscious and produce Sleep Paralysys (or the contrary). SP is needed (and done automatically) because the bulk of your consciousness is still in the physical body, only a seed of it it's in the "astral" body; so, without SP you will act in both "bodies" at once, moving also the physical. This is why sleep methods can cause indirect mind-split effects and such, because you are always in both "bodies" at once (also if you can think the contrary, depending where your attention is), with the bulk of your consciousness remaining in the physical (and this cause also "automatism" while in the "other" body).
Approach two: you use a self-hypnosis method (of whatever nature) to enter the subconscious then, if you keep with concentration your consciousness outside your body for long enough this last will take whatever form previously built, both directly or indirectly. The physical body will go in "automatic", i.e. it will be controlled by your subconscious, but, with a bit of effort, you can switch back and forth from it and the "other" body and act in one or the "other". In this case the consciousness is fully in one body or the other.
Approach three: you use full concentration to create an "imaginary" body by and by till it is as "real" as the physical body and then you use various practices to give this "body" all the senses. When you have done it using the same full concentration you can "switch" to it and use it as the physical body. In this approach you can be in "both" bodies at once (but differentiating the movements of the two, differently from approach one) or in one or the other. When fully mastered you can "switch" everytime you want, and from a full awake state of the physical body. The end to be sought is to be able to slip in and out of that "body" as easily as you slip in and out of a dressing-gown.The last two, especially the last, require full concentration. The second approach can be done also with simple "concentrated attention" (that's a little different), also if the results will be a little different.
Quote from: Loki999 on July 02, 2011, 02:40:22
Sleep paralysis is a requirement for projection because the only way of achieving projection is to be in deep enough trance, which means body asleep mind awake and you will know it when the sleep paralysis takes over. All this about projecting without the sleep paralysis seems incorrect from my past experiences an im not sure what sort of state they are referring too when they say you dont need it. Being really relaxed and focused alone wont cut it. The best way to achieve sleep paralysis is to try to stay aware as your falling asleep.
-agree
SP happens everytime I get the exit vibration. Hand n hand. Only way I ever exited. Cant imagine not going through the whole process, if not you wouldnt be aware of the exit. Then you have to ask yourself if what your experiencing is just a lucid dream.
..for the (op), just remember to never lose awareness as you go to sleep. You might not get it the first 100Xs. But when you do it will become easier.
I stumbled upon it by accident and then began tryn to induce it. It took a few nights but I finally got it. Once you get it, youl know exactly when its gonna hit from then on. Then youl go through the process of having to overcome the excitement when you know its about to happen, which will stall it as well. Soon that will fade and it will become easier and easier to achieve.
The hardest part to go through is the vibration that brings paralysis with it. It last like 15/30 seconds and you have to remain calm throughout. When it finishes you exit. The first couple times that suckr hits I can almost guarantee you blow it from excitement or fear. But just staying aware for that part is a conquered hurdle in itself. Like I said though after a couple experiences you will eventually get it.
Quote from: Tee1234 on July 17, 2011, 03:31:53
-agree
SP happens everytime I get the exit vibration. Hand n hand. Only way I ever exited. Cant imagine not going through the whole process, if not you wouldnt be aware of the exit. Then you have to ask yourself if what your experiencing is just a lucid dream.
..for the (op), just remember to never lose awareness as you go to sleep. You might not get it the first 100Xs. But when you do it will become easier.
I stumbled upon it by accident and then began tryn to induce it. It took a few nights but I finally got it. Once you get it, youl know exactly when its gonna hit from then on. Then youl go through the process of having to overcome the excitement when you know its about to happen, which will stall it as well. Soon that will fade and it will become easier and easier to achieve.
The hardest part to go through is the vibration that brings paralysis with it. It last like 15/30 seconds and you have to remain calm throughout. When it finishes you exit. The first couple times that suckr hits I can almost guarantee you blow it from excitement or fear. But just staying aware for that part is a conquered hurdle in itself. Like I said though after a couple experiences you will eventually get it.
tee, last night i tried again, no sounds or falling sensation, but after a while of laying there, my muscles would involuntarily spas out (all of them) it wasnt excitement, or adrenaline, i can tell the difference between those, my muscles would repeaditly contract, nothing happened after about 5 minutes in that state, and i was able to get a hold of it and make my muscles calm down ( it was a decision, not the phase ending )
is that what these "vibrations" are, are they related to what i felt? or is it something like the falling sensation, where you only think it's happening
Also, i wouldnt mind getting to that falling sensation stage again, can anyone give me any tips on that?
That sounds like just muscle twitches. Nobody really knows what causes them, but do your best to work around or ignore them. Sometimes if I have something twitching too much, I simply take it as a sign that I should give up for that session. :)
Quote from: Kieran on July 17, 2011, 04:23:41
tee, last night i tried again, no sounds or falling sensation, but after a while of laying there, my muscles would involuntarily spas out (all of them) it wasnt excitement, or adrenaline, i can tell the difference between those, my muscles would repeaditly contract, nothing happened after about 5 minutes in that state, and i was able to get a hold of it and make my muscles calm down ( it was a decision, not the phase ending )
is that what these "vibrations" are, are they related to what i felt? or is it something like the falling sensation, where you only think it's happening
Also, i wouldnt mind getting to that falling sensation stage again, can anyone give me any tips on that?
The thing is, Vibrations/SP it happens when you fall asleep. So if you fail to remain aware you will just fall asleep and not remember the vibration and SP cause you didnt stay aware.
Dont forget you are trying to fall asleep. Your not doing anything different than when you normally fall asleep. Except dont let your mind wander off to where you lose consciousness. The vibrations and paralysis will come naturally regardless of whatever technique you think you need to do. Most people just dont stay aware long enough for that part. You still go through it except your out like a light. You just have to stay aware.
The best I tip I can give ya would be to just tell ya how I usually do it/induce. I do it at bedtime or nap.
--I lay on my back when im tired. When I exhale I create like a deadweight feeling almost as if I was melting to the bed. As I breathe in I try to maintain that feeling. Never tense up and dont use any effort, just lay there like a deadbody. Your body will begin to fade. --You might twitch or have a few little spasms here when your body is shutting down, ignore it. You body will eventually fall asleep. Dont lose awareness when this happens. This is where if you dont stay aware your brain will follow and you will lose all awareness, but if you stay aware you will experience SP and the vibration.
Also, that falling sensation among other sensations happen when your real close. It could also happen during the vibration. Sometimes you can actually feel yourself spinning uncontrollably and not just a few Xs. It feels like your spinning 20/30 Xs. Just remain calm cause it will end, even if it seems like its lasting forever. Between that and the loud noise your bound to freak the first couple attempts. But like I said you will get used to it.