Seeking advice.

[manuel]

I wouldn't consider my self being a pro as ala Robert Monroe, but I have had quite a few experiences with these matters, and one problem is when I wish to visit some body....that is discarnate, I have tried twice to date and have so far half failed, once I am out side I summon the help of what I call my higher self to take me or guide me to discarnate being such and such, and on both occasions, a force that picks me off the ground and takes me rapidly upwards skywards at a 90 degree angle, and I must say quite rapidly as well.

now you might think, oh well, that's quite dandy, your even being guided there like your on a wheel chair you lazy git, but, I soon lose a certain control and wind up back in my body much to my frustration as you can imagine, I also might add that this has happened when I have wished to travel to certain people whom I know, I have almost felt them right there, as if I was standing next to them, but as it so happens, I wind back in my body.

Now my question to certain veterans of OBE's, is how does one keep control and arrive at these destinations? any pointers? advice? techniques?

Thank you.

[maverick7h]

Some people believe you need to have a certain amount of energy to successfully do any given thing in the astral.

Like our bodies need energy to do physical tasks, so do our astral bodies. The same goes for expending it.

Just because you know how to project doesn't mean you can do anything once projected. Just because you have the skills to run a mile in 6 minutes and end it with a double backflip doesn't mean you don't need to be rested, in good shape, and in good health to do it.

There are many ways to boost the kind of energy you need, though I wouldn't know where to begin in telling you. Search "energy work", you should be able to begin from there.

[AndrewTheSinger]

It seems like a trap you're in, because it has happened before, and just to think of it can make it happen again.

What I'd say is, don't think of 'destination', think of the person, the consciousness you're trying to contact, as much as possible go straight to the point.

What I used to do was to call out her/his name 3 times and it worked, but eventually I had called 12 times and ... nothing, it can happen.

The best results seemed to had been achieved when I requested the meeting before being asleep, and not while already on the astral. You know when it starts and feels like 'Wow, I'm here, this is my chance!'.

You're really almost there, just don't forget to stabilize yourself, clap your hands and jump, or rub your hands together, grab something or someone, or even ask the person to hold you, it's pretty cool and helpful.

[manuel]

Thank you both for that reply, I am not certain that if it is a matter of energy work or just experience, once again take Robert Monroe, whom did not engage in any energy cultivating activities (to my knowledge), and yet still managed to have these experiences, Andrew, you mentioned to stabilize your self by clapping your hands etcetera, this is spot on the root of my problem, as soon as I move to the area stabilization problems occur.

[upstream]

Hi Manuel,

The most important thing is to prevent loosing sensory coherence. The transporter force apparently knows our limits and uses tunnels and walls to gently detach our attention from the visuals of the previous dream. But you should also actively an passively participate in this process otherwise you will end up with incropehensible visuals or nothing at all to grasp onto and you wake up.

The best way I found to keep sensory coherence is to periodically look at my palms while being transported. My palm would distort but this doesn't matter as long I keep refocusing it. If you look up and around you will interfere with your transport. It's not a bad thing if you keep a fluid mindset and emotional detachment.

It needs some time to get used to the strong accelerations and abrupt direction changes which feels in your stomach. Another thing you may watch for is the position of the attachemnt point on your back (to identify the entity that carries you) and the general way of transportation.

The movement can be kickstarted by hazy commands, but in this case you would likely just loiter around. A simple trick I found useful to stop this is to give an ultimatum of some sort by redefining my goal and starting to count backwards. Sometimes the transporter force seems uncertain what to do, probably being faced with many hazy opinions to chose from, and by simply giving an ultimatum you can end its misery.

All in all, the transport shouldn't require more than 2 minutes. The longer times are probably due to energetic and perceptual changes that take place in our consciosuness, either body bounded or unbounded. You can also always ask questions, plug in your ear and look inside for answers. I usually miss the beginning of these replies but apparently there is always instant help available.

[manuel]

Thanks mate, I will certainly try that!