Unintentional astral projection via dreaming

[astral408]

Hey guys, I'm completely new to the topic. I've done some reading and one thing comes up: you AP to some friend and next day, they recount "a dream" that 100% corresponds to what actually happened. So you move a teacup in their actual physical life, they "dreamed it". You communicated to them, they "dreamed it".

Sometimes I've gone to sleep real ticked off, how come no badass demon came to screw me up? (assaults, physical scratch marks, etc).

They say don't AP when your ticked. I only want to AP when ready, not because I merely dreamt.

[CFTraveler]

I must be missing something- was there a question?

[astral408]

There is. Do I have to deliberately intend to AP or is merely dreaming enough to expose me to the astral world (good and bad)?

[CFTraveler]

When you dream you are in a private part of the astral, in which your subconscious creates the content, the experiences, according to whatever is happening in your life that you are processing.  You usually are not aware you are dreaming, you just accept whatever happens as 'reality'.
When you become conscious that you are dreaming (some people call it 'waking up in the dream') you are then having a lucid dream.  In this type of dreaming you are able to observe the dream environment for clues as to what you're supposed to learn.  It is still a private protected place for you to act out your subconscious processes, but you are now conscious within it.  Most lucidity happens right before waking up, but if you can 'stay' in the dream, you can then approach it as a projection.
An astral projection is simply a 'stepping out' of the private zone into a more 'collective' environment- still thought- shaped, but by yourself and others.  So in this environment you can see places that will be 'reinterpreted' by you, but collectively created, like the akashic records, belief system territories, etc. 
So yes, you can step out of a dream into the astral, but a dream is the astral, only private and shielded.

So to 'enjoy' it you should have the intention, and cultivate some lucidity.

[astral408]

Very good to know. Exactly the answer I was looking for. Thanks

Could you explain this particular story. Erin Pavlina astrally found herself face to face with an astral baddy. Her boyfriend astrally tried to intervene but to him it was only "a bad dream". His dream shared her actual nightmare astral experience. The most important paragraph is below:

http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2007/04/astral-vampire-encounter/
Frustrated, I got back into my body and concentrated really hard on reconnecting.  Normally this wasn't difficult for me, but for some reason I was having a hard time getting back in my body.  Eventually, I got back in.  I stood up and rushed to wake Jared.  I shook him and as he woke, his hands grabbed me around my neck and he flung me onto the bed.  It seemed like he was still asleep.  After just a few moments though, he became fully conscious and before I could say anything (I was trying to access my crushed larynx) he said, "Oh my God, Erin.  I just had the craziest dream.  I dreamed there was a vampire in the room.  I saw you come in and then he flew out the window.  You got on the bed and tried to wake me up but I was choking you.  I thought you were the vampire and I was going to throw him out the window.  But I realized it was you.  I couldn't wake up, even though I knew it was a dream."

[kurtykurt42]

I have had MANY lucid dreams where i'm not conscious, at least I don't feel conscious. The people around me look like they do in the physical, the sounds, colors, emotions...

Many of my dreams are precognitive. If all of them took place in a private part of the astral then how could these 'dreams' be actual events that have occurred in the future? My guess is that some of these dreams are memories of future events in the physical / higher density planes.

[astral408]

Interesting. I've never had future prediction dreams. I wonder if AP'ing brings something to your dreams that most people wouldn't have.

I have had MANY lucid dreams where i'm not conscious, at least I don't feel conscious. The people around me look like they do in the physical, the sounds, colors, emotions...

Many of my dreams are precognitive. If all of them took place in a private part of the astral then how could these 'dreams' be actual events that have occurred in the future? My guess is that some of these dreams are memories of future events in the physical / higher density planes.

[kurtykurt42]

I think everyone has precognitive dreams but they just don't remember them. For me they are strange dreams because the energy / emotion is much stronger and more intense. Like the time I got in a fight with my friend that I've been friends with for 12 years. In the dream we were yelling at each other and he told me never to talk to him again. I woke up from the dream and it was like a nightmare. Then about a week later in happened in real life...  Still haven't talked to him since then.

[astral408]

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I remember 99.99% of my dreams and none have been precognitive. Any dreams that even remotely came close to an actual future event were pure co-incidence. What about the 1%? Well, it'd be odd if every single precognitive dream only fell within there.

I think everyone has precognitive dreams but they just don't remember them. For me they are strange dreams because the energy / emotion is much stronger and more intense. Like the time I got in a fight with my friend that I've been friends with for 12 years. In the dream we were yelling at each other and he told me never to talk to him again. I woke up from the dream and it was like a nightmare. Then about a week later in happened in real life...  Still haven't talked to him since then.

[kurtykurt42]

That would mean you forget one dream out of 10,000 dreams. 

[CFTraveler]

To back up a little, it is easy to cross the barrier from the private to the collective without gaining lucidity- and it is also possible to wander into each other's territory even while in that 'private' place, if there is an implied permission that can happen with a spouse or partner who is sleeping with you in your room.  The barriers are for 'uninvited guests'. 
Consciousness is not something that is gained automatically when you wander off into the collective astral, as anyone who has had 'nonlucid' shared dreams can attest to- including precognitive dreams. 
The thing is that lucidity is what can help you convert a 'regular' (private) dream into a collective experience- on purpose and in control.

I knew y'all already figured this out, I felt I had to spell it out for anyone else who might be interested.

[Ignazio]

To back up a little, it is easy to cross the barrier from the private to the collective without gaining lucidity- and it is also possible to wander into each other's territory even while in that 'private' place, if there is an implied permission that can happen with a spouse or partner who is sleeping with you in your room.  The barriers are for 'uninvited guests'. 
Consciousness is not something that is gained automatically when you wander off into the collective astral, as anyone who has had 'nonlucid' shared dreams can attest to- including precognitive dreams. 
The thing is that lucidity is what can help you convert a 'regular' (private) dream into a collective experience- on purpose and in control.

I knew y'all already figured this out, I felt I had to spell it out for anyone else who might be interested.

Thanks for the GREAT info Much appreciated .

[astral408]

Lots of great info folks. Many thanks.

They say the lower astral is polluted with billions of unconscious sleep projectors. Isn't this also the same danger zone everyone warns about? Ya know, demons, devils, werewolves, serial killers and more. How is it even the devils and demons can't invade "private" dreams?

[CFTraveler]

No one knows.  If you look at folklore (and also at modern reports from projectors who encounter negative entities) there seems to be a need for permission.  Folklore tells you about entities needing to fool you into signing a pact, inviting them in, accepting this or that- so there must be some sort of barrier that prevents most but the most powerful (if there are such things) from 'just coming in'.
I can tell you that I have been involved with a few encounters, and most of them pretended to be someone else, (one example) but when I questioned the entity, it admitted not being who it was supposed to be and left when I told it to go.  I have entities whisper to me (trying to influence my subconscious) that I need to let/accept/join them/it, and I have woken up abruptly when I realized what was happening.  I have also asked  entities whether they were lying and was answered truly (shockingly- it's as if these entities cannot help but tell the truth), or coyly run away when asked- so at least in my experience, this has been so.

Now there is a 'technical' explanation to why this is so, and it's relatively simple- if the etheric/astral is a thought-responsive environment, which is kind of obvious when you travel in it, there are many subconscious safeguards in place- first of all, we humans are territorial- your room is your room and your house is your house, and no one is invited that doesn't belong there.   Even if you haven't articulated this to yourself (or are the kind of person who lets just anyone enter your private room/house/crib), you are already putting up energetic walls around this place.
The second thing is, that the dreamspace is shaped by your subconscious- it's essentially a part of the matrix for your subconscious to communicate with you, so basically your mind is in charge, and even though you can wander off it's confines and meet up with someone else, if you stay 'within', you're shut off from outside influence, at least enough that if someone tries to breach your defenses you will be alerted, and either wake up or become lucid, and take charge.

There's a lot of this stuff that doesn't make sense or at least doesn't seem to, but if you take a look at the anecdotal accounts of hundreds of projectors, you get a picture of how things work, even if the 'why' is somewhat nebulous.

[astral408]

Thanks CFT! What does CFT stand for?

[CFTraveler]

CF are my initials, T stands for 'Traveler'.  The rest is a mystery.